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Jan 30, 2005, 12:17 PM
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145825,00.html

Polls Close in Historic Iraqi Elections

Sunday, January 30, 2005



BAGHDAD, Iraq � The polls in Iraq have closed, ending the country's first open elections in more than 50 years and setting a course for what U.S. officials hope will be a long democratic future.

All around the country, Iraqis defied threats of violence and cast their votes. Iraq's Independent Electoral Commission (search) initially estimated that 72 percent of the country's eligible voters had turned out to cast their ballots but an official later said an estimated eight million Iraqis � or 60 percent of eligible voters � turned out to vote.

But the day was not without bloodshed. A series of homicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations killed at least 44 people, including nine bombers. A Web site statement purportedly from insurgency leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group claimed responsibility for the election-day attacks.

"What we're seeing here is the voice of freedom," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in the first response to the election from the Bush administration.

"Every indication is that the election in Iraq is going better than expected," Rice said on ABC's "This Week." "No, it's not a perfect election," Rice conceded, but she called it a positive development no one had foreseen three years ago when Saddam Hussein was still the dictator of Iraq.

Iraqi politicians also cast the elections as a huge success.

Casting his vote, Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi (search) called it "the first time the Iraqis will determine their destiny."

"We have defeated the terrorists today," Ahmad Chalabi, a secular Shiite who is running for the National Assembly on the United Iraqi Alliance list, told FOX News. "The winds of freedom are sweeping across Iraq."

The election will create a 275-member National Assembly and 18 provincial legislatures. The assembly will draw up the country's permanent constitution and will select a president and two deputy presidents, who in turn will name a new prime minister and Cabinet to serve for 11 months until new elections are held.

After a slow start, men and women in flowing black abayas � often holding babies � formed long lines, although there were pockets of Iraq where the streets and polling stations were deserted. Iraqis prohibited from using private cars walked streets crowded in a few places nearly shoulder-to-shoulder with voters, hitched rides on military buses and trucks, and some even carried the elderly in their arms.

"This is democracy," said Karfia Abbasi, holding up a thumb stained with purple ink to prove she had voted.

Turnout was brisk in Shiite Muslim and mixed Shiite-Sunni neighborhoods. Even in the small town of Askan in the so-called "triangle of death" south of Baghdad, 20 people waited in line at each of several polling centers. More walked toward the polls.

Rumors of impending violence were rife. When an unexplained boom sounded near one Baghdad voting station, some women put their hands to their mouths and whispered prayers. Others continued walking calmly to the voting stations. Several shouted in unison: "We have no fear."

"Am I scared? Of course I'm not scared. This is my country," said 50-year-old Fathiya Mohammed, wearing a head-to-toe abaya.

At one polling place in Baghdad, soldiers and voters joined hands in a dance, and in Baqouba, voters jumped and clapped to celebrate the historic day. At another, an Iraqi policeman in a black ski mask tucked his assault rifle under one arm and took the hand of an elderly blind woman, guiding her to the polls.

In Ramadi, U.S. troops coaxed voters with loudspeakers, preaching the importance of every ballot.

The election is a major test of President Bush's goal of promoting democracy in the Middle East. If successful, it also could hasten the day when the United States brings home its 150,000 troops. More than 1,400 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, including a U.S. Marine killed in combat Sunday in Iraq's restive Anbar province. No details were released on the latest death.

Security was tight. About 300,000 Iraqi and American troops were on the streets and on standby to protect voters, who entered polling stations under loops of razor wire and the watchful eye of rooftop sharpshooters.

Private cars were mostly banned from the streets, forcing suicide bombers to strap explosives to their bodies and carry out attacks on foot.

The governor of the mostly Sunni province of Salaheddin, Hamad Hmoud Shagti, went on the radio to lobby for a higher turnout. "This is a chance for you as Iraqis to assure your and your children's future," he said.

Shiite Muslims, estimated at 60 percent of Iraq's 26 million people, were expected to turn out in large numbers, encouraged by clerics who hope their community will gain power after generations of oppression by the Sunni minority.

A ticket endorsed by the country's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, is expected to fare best among the 111 candidate lists. However, no faction is expected to win an outright majority, meaning possibly weeks of political deal-making before a new prime minister is chosen.

The elections will also give Kurds a chance to gain more influence in Iraq after long years of marginalization under the Baath Party that ruled the country for 34 years.

"This proves that we are now free," said Akar Azad, 19, who came to the polls with his wife Serwin Suker and sister Bigat.

Iraqis in 14 nations also held the last of three days of overseas balloting on Sunday, with officials in Australia extending polling station hours because of an earlier riot and bomb scare. More than 70 of the 281,000 registered overseas voters had cast a ballot, according to Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission. He offered no overall figures.

Speaking in Nigeria, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called Sunday's balloting "the first step" toward democracy. "It's a beginning, not an end," he said.

Final results of the election will not be known for seven to 10 days, but a preliminary tally could come as early as late Sunday.

One U.S.-funded election observer said early reports pointed to smoother-than-expected voting, despite the violence.

"We're hearing there has been fairly robust turnout in certain areas," said Sam Patten, a member of the Baghdad team of the International Republican Institute.

The chief U.N. adviser to Iraq's election commission, Carlos Valenzuela, also said turnout seemed to be good in most places.

"These attacks have not stopped the operations," Valenzuela said.

Asked if reports of better-than-expected turnout in areas where Sunni and Shiite Muslims live together indicated that a Sunni cleric boycott effort had failed, one of the main groups pushing the boycott seemed to soften its stance.

"The association's call for a boycott of the election was not a fatwa [religious edict], but only a statement," said Association of Muslim Scholars spokesman Omar Ragheb. "It was never a question of something religiously prohibited or permitted."

In the most deadly attack, a suicide bomber blew himself up at a polling station in western Baghdad, killing himself, three policemen and a civilian, officials said. Witness Faleh Hussein said the bomber approached a line of voters and detonated an explosives belt.

In a second suicide attack at a polling station, a bomber blew up himself, one policeman and two Iraqi soldiers. In a third suicide attack at a school in western Baghdad, three people and the bomber died, police said.

And in a fourth, at another school in eastern Baghdad, a suicide bomber killed himself and at least three others. Another five people died in other suicide attacks.

Also, a suicide bomber blew himself up near the home of Iraq's justice minister in western Baghdad in an apparent assassination attempt. The minister was not home but the attack killed one person, an Interior Ministry official said.

The rest were killed in shootings and explosions in several communities north of Baghdad.

Overall, eight of the 36 people killed were suicide bombers.

In addition, three people were killed when mortars landed near a polling station in Sadr City, the heart of Baghdad's Shiite Muslim community. Two others died when a mortar round hit a home in Amel, and a policeman died in a mortar attack on a polling station in Khan al-Mahawil, south of Baghdad.

In Mosul, the province's deputy escaped an assassination attempt, but his bodyguard was killed.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 12:19 PM
 
let the nay-sayers and nitpickers begin to pout and snivvle.

A historic day for freedom in the world, not just Iraq.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 01:39 PM
 
Indeed.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 01:54 PM
 
I hope that the new government gains legitimacy in the eyes of all Iraqis, helping to eventually snuff out the insurgency.

Any liberal who wishes otherwise is undeserving of the label.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 01:56 PM
 
Interesting; in a country with sporadic electricity, they've already figured out how many voted. Oh, I didn't see the Faux News.........it must be true, then.
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Jan 30, 2005, 01:56 PM
 
Indeed.
     
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a great day for democracy!
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:09 PM
 
A success eh? Tell me something. What has this election changed for the average person living in Iraq. Does this election magically end the bombs and murders? Is it safer to walk in Iraq? Sorry I messure success in a different way. I think it will be many years before we see real success.
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:21 PM
 
Originally posted by Athens:
A success eh? Tell me something. What has this election changed for the average person living in Iraq. Does this election magically end the bombs and murders? Is it safer to walk in Iraq? Sorry I messure success in a different way. I think it will be many years before we see real success.
Has anyone said the opposite?
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:25 PM
 
I guess to some take the right to vote for your own government for granted. They don't realize how it must feel to someone that's doing that for the first time, or the first time in a very long time. Will it make everything better the minute the votes are counted? Not a chance. But it's a start.

Before you start bashing the elections, think about how important it is to those it actually effects. Really, our thoughts on it are pretty inconsequential. For us it's just another event to support your cause, for or against. To the Iraqi's, it's about their future.
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:25 PM
 
Originally posted by Athens:
A success eh? Tell me something. What has this election changed for the average person living in Iraq. Does this election magically end the bombs and murders? Is it safer to walk in Iraq? Sorry I messure success in a different way. I think it will be many years before we see real success.
What are you smoking?
Since when is an election a cure for all problems in a society?
What an election symbolizes is that people are willing to implement change!

Anyway, the outcome of the election better work!! Too many innocent lives have been lost.
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:27 PM
 
Originally posted by IceBreaker:
let the nay-sayers and nitpickers begin to pout and snivvle.

A historic day for freedom in the world, not just Iraq.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:48 PM
 
Originally posted by i_rooster:
Anyway, the outcome of the election better work!! Too many innocent lives have been lost.
Indeed. Even before the war started.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 02:55 PM
 
Here's hoping that in a few years Iraqis can have the same blas� attitude towards voting that we're seeing around here.
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Jan 30, 2005, 03:30 PM
 
Originally posted by Athens:
A success eh? Tell me something. What has this election changed for the average person living in Iraq. Does this election magically end the bombs and murders? Is it safer to walk in Iraq? Sorry I messure success in a different way. I think it will be many years before we see real success.
Does anything magically end bombs and murders? Are you truly looking for a magical solution?

Nation-building takes time. For all that people call it a 'quagmire', Iraq is setting speed records as far as this is concerned.
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Jan 30, 2005, 04:25 PM
 
Originally posted by Joshua:
Here's hoping that in a few years Iraqis can have the same blas� attitude towards voting that we're seeing around here.
     
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Jan 30, 2005, 09:40 PM
 
Originally posted by KarlG:
Interesting; in a country with sporadic electricity, they've already figured out how many voted. Oh, I didn't see the Faux News.........it must be true, then.
The predicted low turnout in Anbar, a hotspot of Sunni resistance to the American occupation, was exceeded to such an extent that extra voting materials had to be rushed to outlying villages, where long lines were formed at polling stations, Mr. Ayar said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/in...0cnd-iraq.html

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Jan 30, 2005, 09:44 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Indeed. Even before the war started.
Uh... thanks for the clarification.
     
   
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