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They may have found debris from the airplane off Australia, which is consistent with the airplane taking 6 hours from the last contact.
I kind of hope that it is the airplane so people can get comforted. But kind of not hope because that would mean everyone is dead and under water.
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Seems that not many care about this biggest aviation disaster of the modern era. I wake up every morning and carefully scan the headlines hoping to hear some sort of conclusion for this plane. And no, I have no ties to any of the families or the airlines. Just a big puzzle that I hope gets solved.
I still think Indian Ocean or east Africa.
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Originally Posted by mindwaves
Seems that not many care about this biggest aviation disaster of the modern era.
People on these forums, or people in general?
Last I heard everyone was complaining that the 24 hour news networks are basically ignoring war breaking out in Europe to spend 23 hours per day repeating the news that there are no new plane debris findings.
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Based on the views for this thread, everyone is interested. There just isn't a lot of news to report. I check every new post, in case they've found something.
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Did they ACTUALLY confirm with a ID number on the wing, black box, or some other verifiable item, or are they just trying to give up looking at this time?
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From what I read, the US is going to bring in a black box detector, so no, they haven't found anything yet. Some "debris" but nothing identifiable.
One theory I read is that there was some kind of electrical problem, so the pilot dropped the altitude, pilot lost consciousness, and then autopilot took over and drove the plane toward australia. ?? does that even make sense?
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Almost no details given. It seems that someone (apparently the UK) has managed to put together a convincing story of what happened, but that this story is not being released yet.
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Yeah. Me too. I'd give you details but I'm not going to.
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Originally Posted by BadKosh
Did they ACTUALLY confirm with a ID number on the wing, black box, or some other verifiable item, or are they just trying to give up looking at this time?
It sounds like they're just giving up.
But I still believe we're not getting the full story - perhaps the military has more accurate information but can't disclose it because the tech is secret. Maybe everyone is lying. Who knows.
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They'll disclose the new analysis in the Tuesday briefing, Malaysia time. From early leaks, it is based on further analysis of the satellite ping data. The new analysis was able to exclude the northern flight arc. Since the plane definitely went south to empty southern ocean, it was lost with all aboard. Probably when the fuel ran out.
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Godzilla took a bite out of the airplane?
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subego probably has the plane in his back yard. So it couldn't have been Godzilla.
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Originally Posted by reader50
They'll disclose the new analysis in the Tuesday briefing, Malaysia time. From early leaks, it is based on further analysis of the satellite ping data. The new analysis was able to exclude the northern flight arc. Since the plane definitely went south to empty southern ocean, it was lost with all aboard. Probably when the fuel ran out.
that flight arc threw people off, I imagine it was another airliner crossing paths on radar.
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I know, but I can't talk about it either. How about those NCAA brackets? TN looks great, don't they?
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It seems that the plane dove into the Indian Ocean. I'm placing bets that it was purposely done by either the pilot or co-pilot; it was most likely the pilot who did that. That stunt to put the plane at 45,000 feet to knock the passengers out of oxygen and flying the plane until all fuel ran out is so inhuman.
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Originally Posted by mindwaves
It seems that the plane dove into the Indian Ocean. I'm placing bets that it was purposely done by either the pilot or co-pilot; it was most likely the pilot who did that. That stunt to put the plane at 45,000 feet to knock the passengers out of oxygen and flying the plane until all fuel ran out is so inhuman.
I don't know. I've read an excellent explanation on wired by a pilot, and his guess is an electrical fire. I'm not a pilot, but to me everything made sense. He attributed to 45,000 feet altitude reading to inaccurate radar and interpreted the change of heading as a deliberate course change to land at the next suitable airport (with a very long runway).
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Originally Posted by mindwaves
It seems that the plane dove into the Indian Ocean. I'm placing bets that it was purposely done by either the pilot or co-pilot; it was most likely the pilot who did that. That stunt to put the plane at 45,000 feet to knock the passengers out of oxygen and flying the plane until all fuel ran out is so inhuman.
That makes zero sense. In fact, all the evidence points towards a highly skilled pilot doing everything in his power to save the aircraft but running out of time, with the autopilot staying active until the plane run out of fuel. Whether the crew got killed by smoke inhalation or whether they stayed conscious but lost control of the plane (this would not be the first time this would have happened) we might never know.
There is zero need to go to 45,000ft to knock out your passengers, 30,000ft will first incapacitate and then kill your human cargo just as efficiently. One of the most sane theories points towards the possibility of a tire fire spreading into the plane's electrical circuit.
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Regardless of whoever is right or wrong, what I also find interesting is using the Doppler effect to find an approximate crash location of the 777. Math can be interesting.
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You are all wrong - the Airplane was taken by extra-terrestrials, and they have removed very small recognizable pieces to be left behind as bread crumbs to fool the masses!
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Interesting that some are saying the over 200 items may be floating trash. If that is the case, it means they still haven't found the plane.
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Originally Posted by BadKosh
Interesting that some are saying the over 200 items may be floating trash. If that is the case, it means they still haven't found the plane.
Oh great - now all the brain-damaged talking heads will be commenting on the specific differences in the type of trash for another 2 or 3 weeks!
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What else do they have to do? Report "NEWS"???
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I think we're being Rick Rolled in time for April 1st...
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Originally Posted by P
Almost no details given. It seems that someone (apparently the UK) has managed to put together a convincing story of what happened, but that this story is not being released yet.
Much more to come.
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Well, I am still betting on the pilot, but I have always thought (being the pessimistic person that I am) that if he did purposely crash the plane, he could have directed the airplane into the ocean in such a manner that the plane is substantially intact. That would explain why no debris has been found. Just my theory, which I am most likely wrong. Still waiting for news, any news.
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If sully could land a plane on the hudson, is it possible to land a plane intact in the ocean?
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How long will they just be looking in the ocean?
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Here's what most likely happened: An underinflated tire overheated on takeoff and started burning. When retracting the landing gear, that fire started spreading into the interior of the aircraft, damaging the wiring. The damaged wiring is responsible for taking systems offline.
When the pilot noticed, he instantly changed course towards the closest airport with a long runway and a clean approach. But he run out of time and either the crew got overwhelmed by smoke, or they lost control of the plane which continued on autopilot until fuel run out.
Check out Swissair flight 111 for fire damage to aircraft.
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And not a speck of wreckage spotted. I think it crashed on land in a heavily overgrown terrain. the scavengers have already eaten the dead.
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Originally Posted by Phileas
Here's what most likely happened: An underinflated tire overheated on takeoff and started burning. When retracting the landing gear, that fire started spreading into the interior of the aircraft, damaging the wiring. The damaged wiring is responsible for taking systems offline.
When the pilot noticed, he instantly changed course towards the closest airport with a long runway and a clean approach. But he run out of time and either the crew got overwhelmed by smoke, or they lost control of the plane which continued on autopilot until fuel run out.
Check out Swissair flight 111 for fire damage to aircraft.
Don't the wheel wells have fire suppression?
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I've also come around to the idea no one was alive on board during most of the flight. All the other theories seem to have played out. No one's claimed responsibility (terrorist hijacking eliminated), researching passengers & crew found nothing, pilot & copilot were assigned luck of the draw and research hasn't found anything convincing on either.
The plane ended up flying almost opposite to the direction it was supposed to go. You'd think passengers and crew would have noticed and overpowered the pilots.
The brief jump in altitude to 40K feet - maybe to try and put a fire out? Then cabin pressure was lost due to fire breaching the hull / exceeding design specs. With the fire out, the pilots brought it back down again, but not fast enough before everyone died. Autopilot leveled it out at low altitude to prevent a crash and flew the plain straight until the fuel ran out.
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This may be a ridiculous question, but don't they have oxygen masks?
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Of course. Part of the controls system would have to be damaged to prevent them from working, or prevent them from coming down.
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Okay, I buy that... but won't the cockpit have self-contained units which can function without electrical?
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So, if the plane hit the water after the fuel ran out in whatever tanks were on line, the avionics/auto pilot would have also stopped. Hitting the water at 160mph should have made a mess on the surface. So, where is the plane, or bits of it? I say its on solid ground in a billion pieces on Gilligans Island or somewhere. Probably under the dense vegetation.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi
If sully could land a plane on the hudson, is it possible to land a plane intact in the ocean?
On calm water I'm sure it is. The southern Pacific is anything but calm, though.
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Thinking about it though, I come to the conclusion it could have ended up anywhere between a plane in three or four big pieces to completely disintegrated.
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Originally Posted by subego
Okay, I buy that... but won't the cockpit have self-contained units which can function without electrical?
Nope. And smoke masks last 30 minutes at the max. When they reassembled the wreckage of Swiss Air 111, they found evidence that the captain had battled the fire first with the cockpit extinguishers, then with anything else on hand. The co-pilot was most probably alive and trying to control the aircraft until the very end.
A fire on board a plane is a very, very bad thing.
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Maybe they should have those...
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Originally Posted by mindwaves
Perhaps the Chinese will now share the data they have been keeping to themselves. If it is confirmed there is no way this Chinese Rubber Boat stuck a hydrophone 3' into the ocean and picked up a ping by luck. No deep cold water acoustics lessons please.
There is sooo much about MH370 being concealed. It was a Human Criminal Act. We will never know what went wrong with the plan.
The FDR could help, but nothing will be on the CVR.
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Originally Posted by subego
I read this a couple days ago and maybe I'm stupid but I think this angle should at the least be investigated, especially when you consider that the final search area is so vast and deep it's probably impossible at this point to find something.
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I felt the idea of few Americans being on the flight makes a hijacking more plausible was interesting.
Even as an American, I wouldn't want to tangle with those Spetsnaz looking mother****ers, and would likely convince myself they weren't on a suicide mission anyway.
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