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Sep 4, 2003, 04:08 PM
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hi I'm Ben:
[B]funny because on my iBook 500, everything runs much nicer.


Hey, same here.. i'm on 700 Mhz ibook and everything runs faster and stable.

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Sep 4, 2003, 04:24 PM
 
Originally posted by Mafoo:
well, using the power of unix (TM):

sudo rm -rf / will wipe your HD while booted

it might blowup when it hits your swap file, depends on how much ram you have, ive unplugged a HD and kept OS 9 running for ages, it just dies when it tries to read off the disk.

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Well, sure, that'll wipe your boot drive... and any other hard drives you have... and any mounted Network shares for which you have write access... and any Zip disks in your computer...

This is probably not what you want.

Also, rm doesn't reformat; it just deletes. This means that any problems you have with the directory structure of the volume may not go away. Not to mention the previously stated fact that it may very well crash your computer at the end, too.

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Sep 4, 2003, 04:30 PM
 
Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Another "bug" is when you command + tab(they changed the look in 7B53) the text is now hard to read with stuff in the background.
so can someone post a screenshot of the redone application-switcher?
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Sep 4, 2003, 04:49 PM
 
Originally posted by dr. zoidberg:
so can someone post a screenshot of the redone application-switcher?
Here.
     
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Sep 4, 2003, 05:46 PM
 
Man, I can't wait to use use that new application switcher. I used to use Keyboard Maestro's switcher all the time, and was deeply disturbed when Apple locked out the Command-Tab functionality in 10.2. Glad to see we have a real switcher back in action.
     
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Sep 4, 2003, 06:10 PM
 
Add another bug to the list...
� While in Expose mode, cmd-tabbing to an application simply results in a system beep. Granted, not many people would do this, but the behaviour is non-intuitive.

funny because on my iBook 500, everything runs much nicer.


Hey, same here.. i'm on 700 Mhz ibook and everything runs faster and stable.
I'm not saying Panther isn't fast and stable on my system, it really is much more responsive. The only performance quirk I've noticed is with video playback. Dragging windows around (transparent or not) results in choppy playback. It's not a CPU performance issue because both CPUs barely reach 25% while doing this.
     
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Sep 4, 2003, 06:23 PM
 
Originally posted by MasonMcD:
Here.
Looks fine with a black background... take a screenshot now with text behind it. Impossible to read the text.
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Sep 4, 2003, 06:56 PM
 
Anybody tried iSight and iChat AV in B53? If so, how's the performance?
     
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Sep 4, 2003, 08:07 PM
 
nice bug in Stickies:

I use the services menu>'make new sticky note'
a lot to copy the (sometimes long) path to a folder/ file
(you select the file and choose 'make new sticky note' from
the services menu, it is damn handy!)


now it doesn't print the path but copies
the icon of the last file/folder

is it a bug or a feature?

hahahaha

(will post on insider too)
( Last edited by iFix Rene; Sep 4, 2003 at 08:14 PM. )
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Sep 4, 2003, 08:53 PM
 
Originally posted by iFix Rene:
nice bug in Stickies:

I use the services menu>'make new sticky note'
a lot to copy the (sometimes long) path to a folder/ file
(you select the file and choose 'make new sticky note' from
the services menu, it is damn handy!)


now it doesn't print the path but copies
the icon of the last file/folder

is it a bug or a feature?

hahahaha

(will post on insider too)
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Sep 4, 2003, 09:54 PM
 
Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Looks fine with a black background... take a screenshot now with text behind it. Impossible to read the text.
Yep. A little dodgy. I can see how, with a few more icons and smaller background text things would get a little jumbled.
     
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Sep 4, 2003, 10:14 PM
 
Originally posted by MasonMcD:
Yep. A little dodgy. I can see how, with a few more icons and smaller background text things would get a little jumbled.
yeah man.. if you got an ADC account report this as a "bug" or problem. Or anyone can who has an account.
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Sep 4, 2003, 10:29 PM
 
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I have that info from someone who can spell Cupertino, so I think it's reliable.

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Sep 4, 2003, 10:36 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:
Anybody tried iSight and iChat AV in B53? If so, how's the performance?
Yeah, the B53 and isight thing doesn't work. When I tried to connect my firend with isight and my picture came out blank (white) while I can see my friend's. I 'll have to wait for next build!! Anyone with B53/isight can vouch this??

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Sep 5, 2003, 12:29 AM
 
iSIght works here with b53 perfectly.
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 06:49 AM
 
Originally posted by d0ubled0wn:
Add another bug to the list...
� While in Expose mode, cmd-tabbing to an application simply results in a system beep. Granted, not many people would do this, but the behaviour is non-intuitive.


I'm not saying Panther isn't fast and stable on my system, it really is much more responsive. The only performance quirk I've noticed is with video playback. Dragging windows around (transparent or not) results in choppy playback. It's not a CPU performance issue because both CPUs barely reach 25% while doing this.
It does if the application has no windows openned. Otherwise, it just switches to one of it's windows.
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 07:38 AM
 
woah 7B53 is seriously faster on my G4 350mhz, windows drag around and resize more smoothly and the cpu doesn't max out, I didn't think the WDC build was that much of a performance boost, although apps did launch faster...but this feels like OS 9 speeds to me...

small negatives, so far ical doesn't seem to launch, and the installer has a progress bar that doesn't get used, but i'm sure this will be fixed. And apple, I want a a feature where the finder icon winks at you when you put the mouse cursor over it. thanks ;D.
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Sep 5, 2003, 07:59 AM
 
Originally posted by alex_kac:
iSIght works here with b53 perfectly.
Have you tried a conversation over iChatAV with another iSight user?
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 11:39 AM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:
Have you tried a conversation over iChatAV with another iSight user?
I just learned something recently with a person who use ichat audio with one way video chat. It works.. But i'm gonna give another chance to see if A/V chat works with another isight users.

could it be just my ichat ? Or, because of B53?

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Sep 5, 2003, 12:39 PM
 
in this build, do files created in the terminal appear instantly in the finder, or do you still have to clic on the Finder window where they're supposed to be?
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Sep 5, 2003, 02:37 PM
 
Originally posted by MasonMcD:
Here.
I wish Apple made a system wide application launcher with that same style.
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 03:06 PM
 
Originally posted by MasonMcD:
Yep. A little dodgy. I can see how, with a few more icons and smaller background text things would get a little jumbled.
I personally don't see it as a bug. At that fricking size your navigating the HUGE icons, not their tiny little text underneath. The users who will use this feature *know* what their icons are.
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Sep 5, 2003, 03:13 PM
 
Originally posted by KidRed:
I personally don't see it as a bug. At that fricking size your navigating the HUGE icons, not their tiny little text underneath. The users who will use this feature *know* what their icons are.
Still, this should be readable even for advanced users. They shouldn't have half-ass stuff in the system... if they do it, they should do it right, and perfect it. Not have the attitude "oh, its good enough for the pro users".
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Sep 5, 2003, 03:21 PM
 
iChat AV, and 7B53 have some issues, blank video chat windows and connection issues out the wazoo. Hopefully will be fixed asap!
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 04:56 PM
 
Originally posted by cowerd:
Should a person have to launch an app that can also erase a HD to burn a CD/DVD or make a disk image?
Not only that - they have to launch this app to erase a CD-RW. I mean, it is great that DU can erase a CD-RW just like any other disk, for UI consistency. But, it's also been nice that it's been possible to do it safely from Disk Copy without having to go to Disk Utility and use the Erase tab.

In Panther I'll probably start erasing CD-RW's using the Terminal in order to avoid accidentally clicking on the wrong place and erasing one of my partitions...

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Sep 5, 2003, 05:02 PM
 
Originally posted by dhunwick:
iChat AV, and 7B53 have some issues, blank video chat windows and connection issues out the wazoo. Hopefully will be fixed asap!
You know, I was seeing a lot of this in previous builds when I did an Archive/Install. But when I did a CLEAN ERASE/Install, it worked perfectly.
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 05:03 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:
Have you tried a conversation over iChatAV with another iSight user?
Yes. Every night with my sister in Houston.
     
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Sep 5, 2003, 06:44 PM
 
Originally posted by CharlesS:
In Panther I'll probably start erasing CD-RW's using the Terminal in order to avoid accidentally clicking on the wrong place and erasing one of my partitions...

Sure, the Terminal is a lot saver...


By the way... after clicking the wrong disk
and then 'erase', a confirmation comes up
asking you if you are sure... and when erasing
one pays extra attention right? so.. you would
have to be a real dopey
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Sep 5, 2003, 08:09 PM
 
Originally posted by Anand:
If we are getting close to the FC stage, I am dissapointed. The ability to connect to window s machines from the finder browser is crippeled. And now Sharity won't work. This sucks! Apple better have this fixed because it is still broken in 7B49.
Did you file an ADC bug report for this?

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Originally posted by alex_kac:
Yes. Every night with my sister in Houston.
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Sep 5, 2003, 08:23 PM
 
Originally posted by iFix Rene:
Sure, the Terminal is a lot saver...
The command to erase a CD-RW is 'hdiutil burn -erase'. It's not as if it's rm -rf or anything...

By the way... after clicking the wrong disk
and then 'erase', a confirmation comes up
asking you if you are sure... and when erasing
one pays extra attention right? so.. you would
have to be a real dopey
Just like you'd have to be a real dopey to accidentally hit return too early when using rm -rf with slashes in the path...

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Sep 6, 2003, 09:31 AM
 
Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Still, this should be readable even for advanced users. They shouldn't have half-ass stuff in the system... if they do it, they should do it right, and perfect it. Not have the attitude "oh, its good enough for the pro users".
I understand your frustration but this is an 'oh well' nature of the beast by product of transparencies. The same complaints were made about file menus over heavy text. The same for background windows over text. What I'm saying is it's not a bug and it doesn't bother me.
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Sep 6, 2003, 10:56 AM
 
Originally posted by KidRed:
I understand your frustration but this is an 'oh well' nature of the beast by product of transparencies. The same complaints were made about file menus over heavy text. The same for background windows over text. What I'm saying is it's not a bug and it doesn't bother me.
It isn't "terrible" no... but it is hard enough to read IMO that it almost can be considered a bug.

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