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Anyone Buy MUSIC from Apple (Page 2)
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Definitely, and that's why I feel that being able to get another copy of something which you've previously bought (for your own use, obviously) shouldn't be at the full purchase price.
Originally posted by Icruise:
This has been discussed quite a bit, but people tend to overestimate how much it costs to manufacturer CDs (the costs involved in promotion and creation of the music are far greater).
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Originally posted by lfrog2:
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I assume the P2P you refer to is a legally valid transaction. If not, you are in violation of the law and committing theft, copyright infringement, blah, blah, blah. There is no justification. Period. Why not just take a bike that is sitting on the street? It is a product that is owned by someone else. Now in P2P if the person that you got the music from lost access to that music, then the transaction would be ok. They would be transfering the rights to you.
Yes, big corporations make lots of money, but guess what pays their employees. You can also buy shares and be an owner entitled to some of the profits, if any. What about the artists, they are trying to make a living and they get royalties. This is how intellectual property generally works.
Sorry about the rant, but those that tend to justify P2P (and there are some valid justifications) tend to use adoloscent arguements. Hey, maybe I am just tired of adolescent know-it-alls that really do not know anything and have not really worked much in there life, and an after school job does not count. Or maybe I find it appalling how few adults really know how much it costs to have a business. Just so you know, I think most adolescents are actually great kids.
Btw, if you are unwilling to pay for something, then that item really does not have any real value to you.
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Wow, pardon me. Speaking of adoloscent judgements, why not go ahead and stereotype every single P2P user as a criminal? Just so you know, I really value P2P for it's *legal* content. I enjoy past TV shows, amatuer (uncopyrighted) blooper videos, and legal and uncopyrighted music by bands trying to get their name out. If you think all the content available on P2P is illegal, you're very misinformed.
And back to the main point, in acquiring this legal and free data from P2P, that P2P program doesn't owe you anything as far as "backing it up" because you got it for free, so you shouldn't expect them to make sure you have a backup. However, with the Apple music service, I don't see that it's ludacrious for Apple to keep a log of the songs one owns so they can download them as many times as their legally entitled to, "IF" you really owned the rights to that music like you should.
And please, if you're going tell anyone about how much I don't know that theft hurts, don't tell me. I am a musician. I've been in a band touring all over the East Coast for the past 3 years, and so this "digital theft of music" applies quite directly to my life and my income, and even I, as a musician,STILL take a pro-rights stand on this matter.
Take it easy.
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I think you're right about everything you've written below, but the key difference as I see it is that reselling is fine because under normal circumstances you wouldn't then have the material to listen to/watch/read again.
I'm not saying that the sale of the discs is a problem - it's hanging onto a copy for your own use that might (and almost certainly would) be.
If you lose a disc, you're out of luck - you have to pay full whack to get it back again. However, if you were to sell it then TO YOU it's effectively the same end result. You no longer have it. I reckon that it's a good way to make up for all those discs you lost or damaged!
Originally posted by bluejam:
That is actually a good point. However all my CD's were first purchased legally by me to do as I please, including reselling. Pirating is the act of copying and reselling that copy, not the original. I haven't heard of record companies, artists or book publishers cracking down on yard sales yet but will keep my eyes open.
I am surprised there is no problem with major retail chains reselling used CD's.
Please, lets not throw common sense out the window yet again.
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