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starman · May 9, 2006, 08:46 AM

Do I hear RIPOFF?

Yes, everyone's giving Sony sh*t for ripping off Nintendo.

Well, sports fans, EAT THIS:

A Dreamcast controller that wasn't released. It was supposed to be a controller for Super Monky Ball for the DC and get this....gyroscopic sensors!

GEE WHIZ!

ink · May 9, 2006, 10:24 AM

Also remember that the PSX pre-sold for $299, but on the release day they lowered the price to $249.

9/9/95 urne

Chuckit · May 9, 2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Do I hear RIPOFF?

Yes, everyone's giving Sony sh*t for ripping off Nintendo.

Well, sports fans, EAT THIS:

Yeah, yeah. And my mom came up with the idea for rollerblades back in the early '60s. You can't rip off stuff that never actually existed.

Jawbone54 · May 9, 2006, 10:48 AM

Wii games
Wii pricing
Xbox 360 games (hopefully something about Halo 3...???)
Playable PS3 games, even though I have no plans in buying one (I'd like to see the technology)

Jawbone54 · May 9, 2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by MindFad

Well, that pretty much sealed it—I ain't getting a PS3 anytime in the next year or more. I'll get Wii launch day. I'm gonna hold off on a sequel to a console that appears to be prepping the same games from last generation, but with prettier faces, that didn't interest me then. Only Sony wants me to pay $500 to play them? Nah, I'll wait a few years. My friend has a 360, and that's enough for me, as I'm equally unimpressed thus far.

Is it really crazy for people to believe that one is completely unimpressed with these next-gen games without screaming "fanboy," or that one is announcing this opinion for the sake of disagreeing? And CoD 3 already? How many WWII games are needed? Maybe a new epic every few years, sure. How much can you refine gameplay mechanics in something like CoD? It seems like the only things that can really change are story and graphics when it comes to this genre of game (not counting online play). And that doesn't do it for me enough. Of course, this explanation could be applied to any game, but I'm talking about myself personally, and CoD-type games specifically. I can't believe they announced CoD 3 already, seriously.

This far into the "next generation" of console gaming and I'm bored already.

PS3 and Xbox 360 are both probably going to turn a lot of people away from the typical "better graphics, higher price tag, but not much else" approach that they've both taken.

starman · May 9, 2006, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Yeah, yeah. And my mom came up with the idea for rollerblades back in the early '60s. You can't rip off stuff that never actually existed.

Well, it obviously EXISTED. Do you mean SOLD? That's a whole different thing. How can you claim, by that logic, that Sony ripped off Nintendo if NEITHER of the controllers "exist"?

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Do I hear RIPOFF?

Yes, everyone's giving Sony sh*t for ripping off Nintendo.

Well, sports fans, EAT THIS:

A Dreamcast controller that wasn't released. It was supposed to be a controller for Super Monky Ball for the DC and get this....gyroscopic sensors!

GEE WHIZ!

Damn, it almost looks the same too! I thought Nintendo just ripped off Apple all the time!

meelk · May 9, 2006, 11:55 AM

I'd like to see the information regarding gyroscopic in that controller. To me it just looks like one out of a bunch of prototype dc controllers.

Chuckit · May 9, 2006, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Well, it obviously EXISTED. Do you mean SOLD? That's a whole different thing. How can you claim, by that logic, that Sony ripped off Nintendo if NEITHER of the controllers "exist"?

Show of hands: Who here knew about this hypothetical Dreamcast controller that was never released? Now, who knew the Revolution controller was going to have motion sensors?

One of these things is not like the other. One of them may not even actually have been intended for release (or even true prototyping — does the model shown actually do anything?), and certainly wasn't advertised, while the other was actually a real product that was pushed.

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Show of hands: Who here knew about this hypothetical Dreamcast controller that was never released?

By the looks of it Nintendo.

MindFad · May 9, 2006, 12:39 PM

So, what, we're supposed to sit here for a few pages and bicker on how Nintendo stole the wand-like controller idea from SEGA? This is seriously like being in elementary school again. You know, the kids who sat around picking sides over Game Gear and Game Boy, or NES and Genesis. Like they're friggin' sports teams or something. What is this thread accomplishing in terms of discussing the software developers are putting out for us to play at this goddamn expo?

Right then, off to WoW until the conference is over.

Edit: ****in' Tuesday. I hate Tuesday. I hate it so much. Server maintenance on Tuesdays. Why? Why Tuesdays? Why do you hate me, Blizzard? Why?

Chuckit · May 9, 2006, 12:41 PM

Whether or not Nintendo took the idea from Sega, the final Wii controller design has a lot more in common with the NES controller than that thing Starman posted. The only thing they have in common is that they both used the general shape of a remote control.

Incidentally, I never picked sides in the Nintendo vs. Sega thing. I had and used both.

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 03:00 PM

"By next month, we will have sold over 5 million Xbox 360 consoles. More than the original Xbox, the PS1, the PS2, or any other console at that stage in the lifecycle." The sales slide ain't half bad -- Tufte would be proud. The Xbox 360's sales curve is steeper than the competition and steeper than the iPod, a device many consider to be the gold standard of consumer electronics devices.

Chuckit · May 9, 2006, 03:31 PM

So does that mean there are actually any games worth giving a crap about on the 360 yet?

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

So does that mean there are actually any games worth giving a crap about on the 360 yet?

Ya there were quite a few on launch day. If they aren't for you you might want to ask the 5 million Xbox 360 owners why they got it.

Chuckit · May 9, 2006, 03:38 PM

I've actually been wanting to, but I've never met any of them. They all seem to have holed up in some den somewhere far away from here.

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 03:40 PM

here is the HD-DVD player that ships when the PS3 does:

No price yet.

Hal06 · May 9, 2006, 04:52 PM

Oh great, why don't they show it side by side with the xbox360?, to keep people from realizing that the xbox360 hd dvd capable is even bigger than the former xbox?

Eug Wanker · May 9, 2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Inside Man

Oh great, why don't they show it side by side with the xbox360?, to keep people from realizing that the xbox360 hd dvd capable is even bigger than the former xbox?

Judging by the size of the tray, it's no bigger than a standard external desktop optical drive.

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Judging by the size of the tray, it's no bigger than a standard external desktop optical drive.

I was going to say the same thing but don't bother he is just grasping for straws.

Hal06 · May 9, 2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Judging by the size of the tray, it's no bigger than a standard external desktop optical drive.

Everything seems to be external… how does that a smaller system really?

Eug Wanker · May 9, 2006, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Inside Man

Everything seems to be external… how does that a smaller system really?

Huh?

Hawkeye_a · May 9, 2006, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I thought Nintendo just ripped off Apple all the time!

I think you mean Microsoft there. I guess i should remind you that Apple and Nintendo are in completely different industries in case u didnt already know.

Asthetically, Nintendo does imitate Apple. They acknoledge their admiration of Apple in the process as well. Technologically there are are no similarities, Which cant be said of Microsoft ripping off Apple, and Microsoft and Sony ripping off Nintendo.

Woah...a few more things in common for Apple and Nintendo now as well. similar design (which we all love) and constantly being ripped off by competitors. that definately earns them (Apple & Nintendo) "Innovator" status.

Someone's gotta teach Harrison of Sony how to spell....i think he intended to say *immitators* instead he misspelled it as *innovation*. lol....u'd think a person in his position would know how to spell. someone aught to throw a book at the bastard. lol

Cheers

MindFad · May 9, 2006, 08:56 PM

Halo 3 trailer was awesome.

OwlBoy · May 9, 2006, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Huh?

He means all the parts on the 360 are external, HDDVD, Power, HDD. And if you add all that up, its about the same size or bigger than the Original.

I think thats what he means

-Owl

Dark Helmet · May 9, 2006, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

I think you mean Microsoft there. I guess i should remind you that Apple and Nintendo are in completely different industries in case u didnt already know.

Asthetically, Nintendo does imitate Apple.

No I meant Apple. Nintendo rips off Apples designs all the time.

Eug Wanker · 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Inside Man

Oh great, why don't they show it side by side with the xbox360?, to keep people from realizing that the xbox360 hd dvd capable is even bigger than the former xbox?

Note its size compared to the Toshiba HD DVD player:

EDIT... Here ya go:

Hal06 · May 10, 2006, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

He means all the parts on the 360 are external, HDDVD, Power, HDD. And if you add all that up, its about the same size or bigger than the Original.

I think thats what he means

-Owl

Exactly. Thanks.

goMac · May 10, 2006, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

No I meant Apple. Nintendo rips off Apples designs all the time.

I'm sure Apple really minds Nintendo making things in white plastic.

At least Nintendo doesn't rip off Apple's control schemes.

turbopants · May 10, 2006, 03:33 AM

I'm looking forward to the Wii (hate that name still) for the first party games, the emulation, and of course, the controller. I do want to try it out for a bit before picking up one for myself. I'm in no hurry to get any of these new consoles yet. I still play my Dreamcast a lot!

meelk · May 10, 2006, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

No I meant Apple. Nintendo rips off Apples designs all the time.

hahaahaha. why, because they had one system that was basically cubed shaped and Apple had a cube in its past? Sorry to break this to you, but a cube is a pretty basic shape.