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my7200 · Jun 21, 2002, 03:06 AM

For anyone that knows... what will be the last updates of classic as standalone application... not running under classic env in X?

I know 9.1 is last commercial MacOS in box, whereas every other update after that has not been, unless you buy a G4 machine...

and I'm pretty sure 9.2, you require at least 9.1 to install prior?

anyways... If say I bought myself the newer G4s does that mean I can only run MacOS classic applications under X emulation?

Dan Szwarc · Jun 21, 2002, 07:17 AM

I'm sure the only updates to Mac OS9 will be so that it can still boot on new Macs (like the coming-someday G5s). Eventually, Apple will not update OS9 at all and you may only be able to run it as Classic in OSX with NO BOOTING into OS9. And then, someday, OSX will be classic free...

I don't expect "Classic-free" for at least 5 or more years...

Mac Guru · Jun 21, 2002, 09:36 AM

9.2.1 is installable from a CD on an empty HD. There is no need for a prior install.

As for updates to OS 9. I HIGHLY doubt it. 9.2.2 is probably THE last update from Apple you will get. Here was a big hint:

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mitchell_pgh · Jun 21, 2002, 10:08 AM

I would be surprised if Apple didn't come out with a few more little updates for OS 9... just to keep some things compatible for the older machines.

Mac Guru · Jun 21, 2002, 12:56 PM

Why would Apple release an update to something they no longer support? Doesn't make sense.

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mitchell_pgh · Jun 21, 2002, 03:46 PM

I'm not saying they are going to improve on the OS, just keep it alive for all of those people that still have non G3 systems... There are a bunch out there...

Big Mac · Jun 21, 2002, 05:42 PM

No, no, it's not a matter of updates for keeping a current updates for pre-G3s. It is dead in that respect - has been since the release of 9.2 which is G3 and higher only.

But Apple will most definitely continue to release compatibility updates so that the classic environment can run on new machines. It will probably be some time before Apple precludes booting into OS 9, since a lot of professionals still rely on it. There are still far too many users of OS 9 for Apple to not allow it to run.

Mac Guru · Jun 22, 2002, 12:46 AM

The only update I see in the future is making OS 9 a "VPC HardDrive" of sorts. Not a real OS, but a compatablility layer to run older apps in. Since Apple has said they're not supporting it, I don't see them chaning the machines enough to break OS 9 so they have to update it.

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Big Mac · Jun 22, 2002, 01:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:
The only update I see in the future is making OS 9 a "VPC HardDrive" of sorts. Not a real OS, but a compatablility layer to run older apps in. Since Apple has said they're not supporting it, I don't see them chaning the machines enough to break OS 9 so they have to update it.

Mac Guru<hr /></blockquote>Turning Classic into an emulated virtual machine only makes sense if it is less costly to do so than to consistently provide small compatibility updates that let it run on new hardware. However, I don't know what point you're making when you state that Apple probably won't change the machines enough to break OS 9. Every moderate hardware revision has always required at the minimum an updated system enabler. In any case, Apple didn't say they weren't supporting OS 9. What SJ did say is OS 9 is officially dead to Apple's developers.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Classic environment going forward. As I previously stated, OS 9 will be bootable for quite sometime, I believe. As for Classic, I imagine that as the speeds of our machines continue to increase (hopefully

), the most probable thing is the Classic loading process will get faster and faster. Eventually Classic will be fast enough to load in the background during the startup process, with no speed penalty. I also bet Classic could probably boot more quickly currently, but it doesn't since Apple has a vested interest in making it slower.

[ 06-22-2002, 01:19 AM: Message edited by: Big Mac ]

my7200 · Jun 23, 2002, 11:57 PM

umm... the only reason why I ask... is because Classic and Native seem like two different things... for example certain API's aren't there under Classic/Carbon crap, I still wish to use certain API's to program my stuff... I don't perticulary like X... and to me code for STAND ALONE 9 doesn't equal Classic code which I assume is anything after 9.1.

Any comments?

cheers

CIA · Jul 10, 2002, 05:45 AM

They might post a few small updates still, just to keep the newer machines able to run classic.

pliny · Jul 10, 2002, 09:23 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by my7200:
umm... the only reason why I ask... is because Classic and Native seem like two different things... for example certain API's aren't there under Classic/Carbon crap, I still wish to use certain API's to program my stuff... I don't perticulary like X... and to me code for STAND ALONE 9 doesn't equal Classic code which I assume is anything after 9.1.

Any comments?

cheers<hr /></blockquote>hmm interesting---which API's? i'd doubt if any further updates to 9 didn't incorporate "Classic" code. maybe you could elaborate a bit more on the difference between standalone 9 and classic 9?