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Aug 7, 2007, 06:34 PM
 
Figure we might as well start this one thread for it all to go in.

I'm installing it right now, will let you know what I think.

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Aug 7, 2007, 06:39 PM
 
Wow. Where did you get it?
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 06:42 PM
 
I hope that Apple improved iPhoto's library integrity and speed (which is just ok in '06). All in all, the iLife apps are awesome in many aspects, and it looks like they were improved quite a bit.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
 
Originally Posted by kman42 View Post
Wow. Where did you get it?
Maybe an Apple store? Just guessing wildly.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:04 PM
 
Got my copies of iWork and iLife at the Apple store. Pretty good so far - nothing that revolutionary, numbers looks really cool - sort of familiar if you've used Pages for mini-spreadsheets.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:05 PM
 
iPhoto feels faster because of the 'events' method of organizing photos - I'm suddenly dealing with 500 folders, not 6000.
Actually, even in photo view, it feels significantly snappier.
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:06 PM
 
Yep, got it at Apple Store Ridgedale. So I'm in iPhoto right now and here is what I can tell you right now.

- When you first launch it, it does an upgrade of the existing iPhoto library. No shock there.
- Events. OK, so this is where I think its a little strange. After you do an install, every import of photos (roll - or whatever they called it before) is created as an event. So I have thousands of events right out of the box. Each event (roll) is named Untitled Event with a date.

Basically, rolls are now events. What is cool is the merge and split features!

More as I move on.

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Aug 7, 2007, 07:16 PM
 
Actually, I don't think all rolls are events - you can tell it what an event is, and if the rolls are taken on the same day, it assumes they are the same 'event'. You most likely don't have many rolls that are taken on the same day.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:23 PM
 
iWeb doesn't look like it got the work-over I had hoped for - I still can't figure out how to do alt-text.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by peeb View Post
Actually, I don't think all rolls are events - you can tell it what an event is, and if the rolls are taken on the same day, it assumes they are the same 'event'. You most likely don't have many rolls that are taken on the same day.
Yeah, kinda. As best as I can tell, rolls don't exist anymore? Just imported off my camera from a visit to the zoo with the kids and you have the option to name the event on the import. Now we only had zoo pictures on the camera, but I didn't see an option to split the roll into separate events during the import. However, there is an option to Autosplit events after importing.

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Aug 7, 2007, 07:26 PM
 
Go to prefs, and there is an event tab - you can define it there. You should still have rolls in photos view (switch between photos and events in the top left). Rolls still work the way they used to for those who want the old-school approach.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:32 PM
 
I don't have it yet, and therefore I haven't used it yet, but judging by the pictures on Apple's site, iPhoto now has the same iTunes grey/purple scrollbars. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come in Leopard. However, all of the other updated iLife or iWork apps have the same old fuzzy aqua scrollbars, so maybe not.

Why oh why is consistency such a hard concept for Apple?
     
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Originally Posted by tiffer17 View Post
I don't have it yet, and therefore I haven't used it yet, but judging by the pictures on Apple's site, iPhoto now has the same iTunes grey/purple scrollbars. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come in Leopard. However, all of the other updated iLife or iWork apps have the same old fuzzy aqua scrollbars, so maybe not.

Why oh why is consistency such a hard concept for Apple?
That's a good question. I have a feeling they will change the UI a bit when Leopard comes out and make it a free update...
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:47 PM
 
Can you please say whether iLife comes with a trial disk of iWork, like the '06 version did?

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Aug 7, 2007, 07:50 PM
 


One bug I've found is that double clicking on the title bar does not auto minimize.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 07:58 PM
 
Does iPhoto allow you to pick an choose which photos you want to import from a digital camera? I've been requesting this feature since version 2. More importantly, does it remember the photos stored on camera that have already been imported? I have a bunch of pictures on my iPhone that were already imported into iPhoto. Yet everytime I plug in my iPhone, iPhoto asks me if I want to import the exact same pictures.

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Originally Posted by Stogieman View Post
Does iPhoto allow you to pick an choose which photos you want to import from a digital camera? I've been requesting this feature since version 2. More importantly, does it remember the photos stored on camera that have already been imported? I have a bunch of pictures on my iPhone that were already imported into iPhoto. Yet everytime I plug in my iPhone, iPhoto asks me if I want to import the exact same pictures.
Yes - looks like this is fixed.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 08:19 PM
 
"One bug I've found is that double clicking on the title bar does not auto minimize."

I got that also, go to your System Preferences/Appearance and toggle the "Minimize when double-clicking..." preference. It should work from that point on.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 08:25 PM
 
I've been using rolls like events for ages. It's easy to split and combine pictures into rolls. Will iPhoto 08 split up my rolls into events by the day were shot? Do I have to re-organize all my pictures, or is there a way to convert rolls directly into events?
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Aug 7, 2007, 08:28 PM
 
Hm.... I was hoping for remote updates through iWeb... much like how it does auto-update to your .Mac website, but for any other site you manage on any other domain... Set up the log-in and passwords and hit publish and it updates you .Mac site to .Mac and your 'Outside' site to your outside servers.

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Aug 7, 2007, 08:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by Toyin View Post
I've been using rolls like events for ages. It's easy to split and combine pictures into rolls. Will iPhoto 08 split up my rolls into events by the day were shot? Do I have to re-organize all my pictures, or is there a way to convert rolls directly into events?
OK, let's get this straight.
Rolls work the way they did. 'Photo mode' is the same as iPhoto 06.
You can also switch (default) to 'Event mode'. This creates events that are an alternative way to group the photos. You don't have to reorganize the photos, and by default iPhoto creates a new event out of all of the photos taken on a certain day.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 09:14 PM
 
Can iPhoto deal with CR2 files nicely yet?
     
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Originally Posted by stassi7 View Post
"One bug I've found is that double clicking on the title bar does not auto minimize."

I got that also, go to your System Preferences/Appearance and toggle the "Minimize when double-clicking..." preference. It should work from that point on.
Thanks, but that's set, and it works for other apps - this looks like an iPhoto specific issue.
     
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Oops - scratch that - it fixed it. Thanks!
     
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Originally Posted by peeb View Post
OK, let's get this straight.
Rolls work the way they did. 'Photo mode' is the same as iPhoto 06.
You can also switch (default) to 'Event mode'. This creates events that are an alternative way to group the photos. You don't have to reorganize the photos, and by default iPhoto creates a new event out of all of the photos taken on a certain day.
Peeb,

Just a couple of questions in regards to this. To me it just feels like they renamed rolls to events. And added a new view. Don't get me wrong, I love the changes.

Q. Can a picture be associated to no events? Not that I can see. Although you can hide a photo, which is nice.
Q. When I merge two events in "event mode", the "rolls" are merged in the Photo Mode. Same experience for you?

As the poster mentioned before, you could have easily done this process with the rolls that existed before. Its just significantly easier to merge and split than it was before. Wouldn't you say that is one of the big differences? (Other than the massively way wicked Events Mode view, which I love.)

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p.s. Anyone gotten Web Gallery to work yet? I always get an error message. (Scratch that - although error message appeared at first, they worked and I see them in the nav list on the left now.)
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Aug 7, 2007, 10:32 PM
 
I just finished watching the Keynote. I was really impressed. I think iMovie has convinced me to buy a new laptop.
     
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Does iPhoto 7 work with Homepage again directly? Or only iWeb?
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Aug 7, 2007, 10:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by dawho9 View Post
Peeb,

Just a couple of questions in regards to this. To me it just feels like they renamed rolls to events. And added a new view. Don't get me wrong, I love the changes.

Q. Can a picture be associated to no events? Not that I can see. Although you can hide a photo, which is nice.
Q. When I merge two events in "event mode", the "rolls" are merged in the Photo Mode. Same experience for you?

As the poster mentioned before, you could have easily done this process with the rolls that existed before. Its just significantly easier to merge and split than it was before. Wouldn't you say that is one of the big differences? (Other than the massively way wicked Events Mode view, which I love.)

dw9
I think you're right - if you merge things in events, the rolls become merged. The way to preserve your rolls is to not use events... A picture can't be associated with no events, any more than it can't not belong to a roll.
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 10:40 PM
 
I plugged in my iPhone and iPhoto opened, like it always does, to import photos.
It went to the import screen and where it used to say "x items to import" it now, very quickly, loaded thumbnails of all the images on my iPhone.
There are options to hide already imported photos and then import only selected photos.

Very cool.

I like the new iPhoto a lot. If you move your mouse horizontally over an event thumbnail it shows you all photos inside the event.
     
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Originally Posted by mdc View Post
I plugged in my iPhone and iPhoto opened, like it always does, to import photos.
It went to the import screen and where it used to say "x items to import" it now, very quickly, loaded thumbnails of all the images on my iPhone.
There are options to hide already imported photos and then import only selected photos.

Very cool.

I like the new iPhoto a lot. If you move your mouse horizontally over an event thumbnail it shows you all photos inside the event.
Wait you publish an event to .mac. The new web based tools are awesome! Like nothing I have seen on the web and I'm in the web development business. Its Web 2.0 to the max.

Here is an example:

http://gallery.mac.com/bryntesons/

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Wow, the Web Gallery stuff is damn cool!
     
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Aug 7, 2007, 11:42 PM
 
Holy crap! There's already an iPhoto 7.0.1 update.

Apple - Support - Downloads - iPhoto 7.0.1
     
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has anyone had any problems exporting in the new iPhoto? When I select my pictures or album, and I go to File > Export, nothing happens. I tried restarting, and installing the new update, but I can't get it to work at all.
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How are people liking the new iMovie? How much of that has changed?
     
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Here's another gallery, I think a "demo" one made by Apple, full of attractive people and professional photography:
http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker
     
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Holy ****. When is Aperture getting these web galleries? I'd hate to switch BACK to the consumer software

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Aug 8, 2007, 05:16 AM
 
I love being able to 'scrub' the event icons and see the photos in them. Really nice.
     
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Originally Posted by dawho9 View Post
Q. When I merge two events in "event mode", the "rolls" are merged in the Photo Mode. Same experience for you?
OK, first really annoying thing.
I just lost a lot of information this way - I had a long vacation, with a lot of rolls, one for each geographic location I visited. I pulled them into an event (for the vacation) and now the names of the places are lost, and all the photos are in one roll. That sucks.
     
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Originally Posted by peeb View Post
OK, first really annoying thing.
I just lost a lot of information this way - I had a long vacation, with a lot of rolls, one for each geographic location I visited. I pulled them into an event (for the vacation) and now the names of the places are lost, and all the photos are in one roll. That sucks.
Yep, that is what I saw right away too. For me it happened before I realized that rolls had basically become events. I was thinking in my mind that events were separate from rolls and deleted a few events. Of course I checked right away and noticed the pictures were gone. Good thing they were only in the trash and I could easily restore.

You can undo a merge but you have to undo it right away.

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How are people liking the new iMovie? How much of that has changed?
I have only played with it for about 10 minutes, but wow does it look (and in some cases feel) different. When I first launched it all I said was "wow" and then shut it down. :-)

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For iWeb, has the exceptionally large and slow loading published website images been fixed? Or is there at least an image quality preference now?
     
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for anyone using ilife I have 1 question:
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I do not have it, but no, the .Mac charge for 10GB of online storage is not included in the software price. That is a separate, $99 purchase.
     
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thanks for that...
I pay about half of that for 84GB transfer and 4 GB allocated to a website.
I wonder if 10GB is actual storage that you can use for keeping databases, movies, pics and websites or just the transfer?
     
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Well, I'm not (entirely) above stealing the Web Gallery javascripts to stick into my own site.
Or is anyone aware of a remotely similarly spiffy open-source gallery? I see that Apple is using open source components like scriptaculous.
     
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I was wondering... For those who are using it already. Did they add a backup system the the program? I would love for iPhoto to have a system like iTunes for backing up my photos. I understand that it could be an obsolete feature once time machine hits, but it would still be nice for backing up photos the iTunes way. I don't want to keep doing this the old fashioned way. I would be more prone to do backups if I had a simple way.

It definitely would be nice for having a hard in a safe place. My father backs up all his digital photos and stores them in a fire safe box. It would be so sad to also loose all your photos/memories in a fire on top of everything else you already lost.
     
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Originally Posted by Mithras View Post
Well, I'm not (entirely) above stealing the Web Gallery javascripts to stick into my own site.
Or is anyone aware of a remotely similarly spiffy open-source gallery? I see that Apple is using open source components like scriptaculous.
I started looking into this but I think there is a lot more than just some standard JS running this stuff. A lot more advanced than I have seen in a while. But I am also looking at something like this for a gallery control I wrote in ASP.NET that I have been porting over to AJAX for a while. This is pretty cool stuff.

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