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starman · May 24, 2005, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Was lukes saber green? Cuz in a new hope I thought it was and Obi says it belonged to Anakin.

Blue

dlefebvre · May 24, 2005, 02:02 PM

Interessing fact.

In episode III, Vader's «Noooooooooooooo!» is actually a recording of James Earl Jones's reaction after reading the script.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 24, 2005, 03:31 PM

Ian McDiarmid told my friend before making ep2 that he only does Star Wars for the money. He was rather disappointed that he couldn't do a play that year because he would have to be filming in Australia.

Anyway, he is the one that made the movie good in the end.

Randman · May 24, 2005, 03:38 PM

McDiarmid was good but I think McGregor shone the brightest.

Randman · May 24, 2005, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Blue

But green in Jedi.

budster101 · May 24, 2005, 04:01 PM

Oh my god, his thing was green? I'm not sure what is worse, green or blue. Is white normal?

I already have a real light saber, it has a black light... can't see it, not even with a black light bulb.

meh, whatever.

starman · May 24, 2005, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Randman

But green in Jedi.

Right, we already said that

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 24, 2005, 04:16 PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/showbiz...html%5B/url%5D

JHromadka · May 24, 2005, 04:37 PM

So when does Severed Head of Vader join MacNN?

exca1ibur · 04:49 PM

You mean Severed Legs of Vader

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 24, 2005, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by JHromadka

So when does Severed Head of Vader join MacNN?

Gay assed MacNN doesn't let you choose long user names anymore

budster101 · May 24, 2005, 04:52 PM

That's a shame. Darn it anyway. I was looking forward to more posts by the likes of:

- Severed Spleen of Luke Skycrackhead
- Severely Splintered Finger of Han Solo

sideus · May 24, 2005, 06:37 PM

Just got back from seeing Ep III. Cried my eyes out.

sminch · May 24, 2005, 08:19 PM

Cried my eyes out.

come on - it was bad, but not that bad.

sminch

Ozmodiar · May 24, 2005, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Gay assed MacNN doesn't let you choose long user names anymore

Man. I was hoping for Vader's Shiny New Helmet with "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" in your sig.

Eriamjh · May 24, 2005, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by budster101

Han Solo shot first!

Han did NOT shoot FIRST!!!

Greedo never shot. Han was the only one to shoot!

Anakin's lightsaber was blue in EP3, just like obi's.

Big Mac · May 25, 2005, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Warung

Come to think of it, this was probably some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard in a movie (right on par with really cheesy 50s Sci-Fi shows) At times I thought that somebody messed them up intentionally...especially the one where Anakin talks to Padme.

"...you're blind...from love..." *cringe*

What in the f*ck was that all about?

My brother commented that that exchange must have been written for Kirsten Dunst rather than Portman. . .

lavar78 · May 25, 2005, 06:49 AM

Wasn't it "you're blinded by love"?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 25, 2005, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by lavar78

Wasn't it "you're blinded by love"?

"Man: 'You're so beautiful.' Woman: 'It's only because I'm so in love.' Man: 'No, it's because I'm so in love with you.' Me: 'Man oh man.'"
-- Rick Groen, GLOBE AND MAIL

dlefebvre · May 25, 2005, 04:41 PM

Interesting fact.

Just add a 150 millions worth of special effects to Days of our Lives and you will get Episode III's romance scenes.

Randman · May 25, 2005, 04:51 PM

Who cares about the romance scenes? Was there cool special effects and fight scenes? Yes? Good.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 25, 2005, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by dlefebvre

Interesting fact.

Just add a 150 millions worth of special effects to Days of our Lives and you will get Episode III's romance scenes.

Ya seriously, what is the romance time in that flick? 10 min of 2 hours?

Get over it.

Randman · May 25, 2005, 05:00 PM

Add $150 million and two hours of battles and lightsaber duels to DOTL and I'll tune in to see what Darth Marlena is up to these days.

saddino · May 25, 2005, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

My brother commented that that exchange must have been written for Kirsten Dunst rather than Portman. . .

LOL. If that were really the case, Portman would've been wearing something, er, a bit more revealing.

In fact, I'm sure Dunst's scenes are written as so:

[Kirsten's character] enters the scene, backlit. She is not wearing a bra (Ed: please highlight this sentence before a copy goes to costume dept.). She has on 1) a tight dress, 2) a tight baby t, 3) something tight. She has 1) come in from the rain, 2) been sweating, 3) doing something that has made her covered in water. She comes in 1) running, 2) skipping 3) moving up or down in a somewhat exagerated manner.

Randman · May 25, 2005, 05:20 PM

ironknee · May 25, 2005, 05:31 PM

i saw it and liked it...as they say, it's better than the first 2...

a few thoughts:
lucas went overboard with the different wipes between scenes

lots of limbs chopped off...kinda reduces luke's importance

i forgot, did ana have visions before and have them come true?

ana and obwan have been fighting, jumping on here, flying there, climbing this etc...then, ob's a few feet higher than ana and chopped him to pieces...??? what? and why didn't ob finish him off (make sure)?

the vaderization was fun...and the frankenstien-like scene was cute...the news bit made sense...the smile on the master...

question: why did padma die? i couldn't understand what she was saying before she died...

also, was there a reason she named the babies so quickly? did i miss something?

i thought OB wan's haircut was too modern...

the tying things up at the end...too fast and too much...yes, luke and leia needs homes, yoda goes to hide out...but obwan is going to learn to be immortal? looked shoehorned in

not bad...

Randman · May 25, 2005, 05:34 PM

Anakin had visions of his mother in pain.

Obi-Wan couldn't bring himself to kill his friend.

Padme died of a broken heart, apparently. And she had to name the kids since she was destined to die giving birth.

ironknee · May 25, 2005, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Randman

Anakin had visions of his mother in pain.

Obi-Wan couldn't bring himself to kill his friend.

Padme died of a broken heart, apparently. And she had to name the kids since she was destined to die giving birth.

so ana really did kill padme by going to the dark side

saddino · May 25, 2005, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

also, was there a reason she named the babies so quickly? did i miss something?

Randman · May 25, 2005, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by saddino

Though it should read ... in the wide worlds.

selowitch · May 25, 2005, 05:56 PM

OK, I think we've established that the romance scenes were a bust. Lucas himself even acknowledges that dialogue is not his strong suit, and I would venture to say he is particularly clueless when it comes to writing lines for women.

Come to think of it, maybe some of the reason he's a single dad today is because he wrote a part for his girlfriend/wife and tried to get her to read it aloud! She must have said, "Look, George — we have to talk."

nforcer · May 25, 2005, 11:48 PM

I liked it. Definately the best of the first 3.

Macka · May 26, 2005, 05:59 AM

I felt the ending all happened a bit quickly, although I guess after the climax of the movie it would be hard to go on too much longer.

But I really missed the whole "I have some study for you Obe Wan" line from Yoda. It was like one line in the scheme of things, yet seemed to be the important reason for Obe Wan's "Death" Scene in Ep IV. Can somebody explain clearly what this line was and how it ties in?

Eriamjh · May 26, 2005, 07:22 AM

I'm surprised that no one has realized that the Emperor likely does not have the power to save lives, nor did anyone in the Sith. I don't think this power really exists and that the Emperor lied to Anakin to help push him in his conversion to the Dark Side.

Zimphire · May 26, 2005, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

I'm surprised that no one has realized that the Emperor likely does not have the power to save lives, nor did anyone in the Sith. I don't think this power really exists and that the Emperor lied to Anakin to help push him in his conversion to the Dark Side.

You may be correct.

There is a power of immortality. Yoda did speak of it however.

Mrjinglesusa · May 26, 2005, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

I'm surprised that no one has realized that the Emperor likely does not have the power to save lives, nor did anyone in the Sith. I don't think this power really exists and that the Emperor lied to Anakin to help push him in his conversion to the Dark Side.

This seems likely. If anyone would have had this power it would be Yoda and he ended up dying (i.e. couldn't make himself immortal or chose not to).

Randman · May 26, 2005, 07:55 AM

"Luminous beings we are, not made of this crude matter are we."

Big Mac · 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

I'm surprised that no one has realized that the Emperor likely does not have the power to save lives, nor did anyone in the Sith. I don't think this power really exists and that the Emperor lied to Anakin to help push him in his conversion to the Dark Side.

Who said anyone believed Palpatine when he made that claim? It was an interesting story, but it was obviously meant to deceive Anakin, at least on some level. Darth Plageus may have possessed esoteric dark knowledge, since Palpatine's account does explain Anakin's "virgin birth." It is possible that Darth Sidious' master set the entire train of events in motion - the ascendancy, hegemony and eventual downfall of the Sith all at the hands of Anakin. But if that is the case, then Anakin is the creation of evil, which would have unsavory effects on the entire mythology.

In any event, I'm still waiting for someone to concur or reject my thoughts on Anakin's adultery suspicions.

Mrjinglesusa · May 26, 2005, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

*I'll have to pick up the novelization at some point, but does anyone know if Anakin explicitly accuses Padmé of adultery in the novel? He sees Obi, says she brought him with her and begins to choke her, so the subtext is definitely there. Who knows, perhaps direct treatment of that subject would have pushed the film over to an R rating, but if Elastic Girl was able to broach the subject with Mr. Incredible certainly Anakin could have had the same freedom. . . Now if Anakin had fallen to the dark side as a result of that kind of suspicion of Padmé, he would have gained more sympathy in my book. Not enough to overlook slaughtering children, but certainly a good amount more.

I haven't read the novels but I don't see that as being the reason for him choking her. Quite simply, he felt she betrayed him and sided with Obi and the Jedis and against him. I think you are reading too much into this.

Big Mac · May 26, 2005, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

I haven't read the novels but I don't see that as being the reason for him choking her. Quite simply, he felt she betrayed him and sided with Obi and the Jedis and against him. I think you are reading too much into this.

Thank you for going back to look at my theory. I may indeed be reading too much into his actions, but I think the probability that I am correct is high. Padmé says she's trying to help him, to which he shouts "Liar!" and begins choking her. That particular aggression was spurred by Obi-Wan, which suggests to me Anakin presumed an affair had taken place.

budster101 · May 26, 2005, 09:42 AM

I just saw the movie late last night. (Got Free Tickets)

Worth every penny.

Bad Acting
Awesome Special Effects

It did tie the story in... with IV, but I was left, desireing much more....

Mrjinglesusa · May 26, 2005, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Thank you for going back to look at my theory. I may indeed be reading too much into his actions, but I think the probability that I am correct is high. Padmé says she's trying to help him, to which he shouts "Liar!" and begins choking her. That particular aggression was spurred by Obi-Wan, which suggests to me Anakin presumed an affair had taken place.

Right, I believe he yelled "Liar!" because he didn't believe she was trying to "help" him. He felt that she betrayed him by bringing Obi there to confront him. The aggression was due to this betrayal of him, not any presumption of adultery (IMO).

Anakin was convinced by Palpatine to believe the Jedi were planning to overthrow him. Anakin chose to side with Palpatine and tried to convince Padme that the Jedi were in the wrong. I think he felt he was successful in convincing her and when she brought Obi along to confront him he was betrayed (in his mind).

Interesting idea on the adultery suspicion though...

budster101 · May 26, 2005, 12:46 PM

Did she even know she had Obi-wan on board? I think he snuck in when she was not aware, as I saw from the shock on her face as Anakin yelled out when he [Obi-wan] appeared in the exit of the spacecraft.

It's rather funny in a tragic way how Anakin misinterpreted his dreams and actually made them come to fruition by his giving into the dark side. Also, what did she say on her death bed? I didn't quite get it. Anyone?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 26, 2005, 01:03 PM

What I don't get is did Palp emplant that image of Padme kicking the bucket into Anakins mind and not tell him the whole story or did he have no clue she would die before Anakin told him?

budster101 · May 26, 2005, 01:09 PM

Pap did not have to implant it. He saw it as well and twisted it so that Anakin would be swayed to the dark side in order to save her. His strong feelings and passion for Padme was being used against him. He envisioned the future he would make happen, not what was to be. Obi-wan warned him about his feelings, but he ignored him, as he was leaning towards the dark side for some time. His youth, passion and eagerness to become a Master Jedi clouded his judgement. This coupled with the Emperor's ability to convince him was only too easy.

exca1ibur · May 26, 2005, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

This seems likely. If anyone would have had this power it would be Yoda and he ended up dying (i.e. couldn't make himself immortal or chose not to).

But he did. Yoda told Obi Wan about it so he could talk to Qui-Jon when they were on Bail OPrganas ship. What Yoda was refering to was in Ep IV when Obi Wan told Vader 'If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can imagine.' When Vader sliced him he dissappeared. Then later he came back as a the 'ghost', which was able to communicate with Luke. THAT is the immortality Yoda was training him for. Yoda also did the same when he died in Ep VI. As he was there at the end with Vader, as Anakin.

Randman · May 26, 2005, 03:29 PM

I have a question about that. How does Anakin's ghost appear with Obi-Wan and Yoda once he dies? He is never taught how.

E's Lil Theorem · May 26, 2005, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Randman

I have a question about that. How does Anakin's ghost appear with Obi-Wan and Yoda once he dies? He is never taught how.

On page four of this thread (though I'm not sure it fully answers the question as I have not seen EP 4, 5 and 6):

Originally Posted by Big Mac

....

2. Anakin's appearance did give the saga closure, to show the audience that he had returned to the good side as Luke believed he would. Yoda and Obi-Wan needed to teach him how to appear to Luke. Actually, Yoda's hastily explained correspondence with Qui-Gon legitimizes Anakin's appearance. Remember, Qui-Gon did not disappear, either, but he was apparently the first Jedi to make contact with the living. It has been explained/theorized that only those Jedi who have never been tainted by evil or the dark side may disappear upon death. Luminous beings are they, not crude flesh; their union with the Force is so complete that they do not leave flesh behind. But that does not preclude other departed Jedi from making contact as apparitions.

budster101 · May 26, 2005, 03:42 PM

But it is in how he dies that matters. He gives himself of his own free will, and that is I think part of the secret. The main difference betwen those that follow the dark side and those who do not give into it is this.

The followers of the dark side will never be able to discover this, unless they denounce the dark side. The whole idea of the strangth of the Siths comes from the focus they obtain through their passion. In this passion, there lies their inability to give in as does a true Jedi. Once he gives in and releases his passion and the dark side he obtains the knowledge and ability that Yoda, and Obi-Wan had.

BTW: They are never taught how, they discover it for themselves. I think that is the only way, which also confuses those on the dark path, as they believe they have to be taught everything.

Eriamjh · May 26, 2005, 03:47 PM

Anakin seeing Padme die in the future was ironically the future he was about to set in motion. He should have stayed in bed.

"Always in motion is the future" - Yoda.

In Anakin's case, her death was the direct result of his actions, not because he DIDN't do something.

I believe in the Star Trek episode where they were caught in the time loop they started second-guessing which action was causing the explosion, and that their mere attempt to avoid it may have caused it. Quite a paradox, isn't it? Since you don't really KNOW the future, what you do to control it or change it actually just sets it up.