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Bodhi
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Apr 9, 2002, 08:39 PM
 
For the record, two of these customers filed an official complaint against our company, which is their right, but, the position of J.C. Morris & Company, is and will be that we believe we have and are doing what is best for the customer (you), and we are not required to pay compensation, replacement cost, etc. We are doing this as a good faith gesture. Individuals who file a complaint will not receive any form of compensation, replacement cost etc., from our company. Their account will be turned over to our legal department, to address.

10. To help you better understand the replacement cost compensation you will receive, is this example. If you paid our company $1000 and we have already credited you $50, I will base the original amount you paid us at $950. If the product you ordered had an average market value of $1300, you would receive$1300 less $950 = $350 replacement cost.
What complete BS! Would someone PLEASE sue this company!! Call Dateline...something!
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Apr 9, 2002, 11:09 PM
 
good idea, I looked up all of the local atlanta news/radio stations and I'm going to send them information on these guys... maybe someone will investigate. Seriously, anyone who's had bad experiences please email me and tell me what happened, the more people who can back this up the more likely someone will take notice.

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Apr 10, 2002, 02:36 PM
 
just so you know, I've counted approximately 15 people on these forums who have reported bad personal experiences with this company, and an additional 5 have contacted me via email so far. A lot of you seemed to think it might all be speculation and hearsay, it's not!! This is probably just a tiny percentage of people who have actually dealt with this company and are not satisfied.
     
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Apr 13, 2002, 04:55 PM
 
Just for the record, I posted awhile back regarding my experience with the company, which was actually really good. I'd recommended many of my friends who placed orders and unfortunately have suffered the same crap that many of you have. It appears as though I somehow got through unscathed. Perhaps it truly is a "ponzi" scheme, who knows? Luckily, many of my friends have bailed and so far nobody has been burned in getting their money back.

My iPods and 17" LCD work great, but I'm feeling guilty being the only one to benefit. It would've been nicer to share the fun. I'll let you know what the final results are. Good luck crack girl.
     
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Apr 13, 2002, 06:03 PM
 
For the record, two of these customers filed an official complaint against our company, which is their right, but, the position of J.C. Morris & Company, is and will be that we believe we have and are doing what is best for the customer (you), and we are not required to pay compensation, replacement cost, etc. We are doing this as a good faith gesture. Individuals who file a complaint will not receive any form of compensation, replacement cost etc., from our company. Their account will be turned over to our legal department, to address.

10. To help you better understand the replacement cost compensation you will receive, is this example. If you paid our company $1000 and we have already credited you $50, I will base the original amount you paid us at $950. If the product you ordered had an average market value of $1300, you would receive$1300 less $950 = $350 replacement cost.
good Lord! just read their poor English and you can figure out that they're dopes. die topic die!
     
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Apr 15, 2002, 12:39 PM
 
I just wrote to [email protected] in an attempt to get the jcmorris.com site shut down. If anyone would like to aid in this cause, you may also send along a nice email =)

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To whom it may concern,

I am contacting you to notify you of the possibly fraudulent activities of one of your clients. The web site at the domains jcmorris.com and aboutjcmorris.com represents a business, JC Morris & Company, that allegedly sells computer and electronic products at discounted prices. The company seems to be running a scam. I have personally ordered and paid for items from them which have not been shipped and I have had no response from them after several attempts at communication. I also am aware of many other customers who have had the same experience.

I would like to request that this company's web site operation be shut down to prevent additional customers from being ripped off.

Please see below for confirmation of this company's reputation:

A search for "jc morris company" at google.com turns up results in the category:
Society > Issues > Business > Allegedly Unethical Firms

The following posts describe in detail many customer's unsatisfactory experiences with this company: http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ulti...7&t=003678&p=4 http://pub36.ezboard.com/funofficial...art=1&stop=20.

In addition, several complaints have been filed with the Better Business Bureau, the FBI's fraud division, and a class action lawsuit may be filed against this company in the near future.

I urge you to investigate this matter and take action against this company to shut down their web operation.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
     
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Apr 16, 2002, 02:08 AM
 
Originally posted by neil van harte:
<STRONG>Just for the record, I posted awhile back regarding my experience with the company, which was actually really good. I'd recommended many of my friends who placed orders and unfortunately have suffered the same crap that many of you have. It appears as though I somehow got through unscathed. Perhaps it truly is a "ponzi" scheme, who knows? Luckily, many of my friends have bailed and so far nobody has been burned in getting their money back.

My iPods and 17" LCD work great, but I'm feeling guilty being the only one to benefit. It would've been nicer to share the fun. I'll let you know what the final results are. Good luck crack girl.</STRONG>
This is kind of an update to my story which is posted somewhere above (I received my ~$1900.00 PB 667 after a 3 month wait), but my buddy who purchased an ibook at the same time still didn't receive it after about six months and a LOT of stalling from JCM. Ultimately, they gave him his $ back via paypal, but it took numerous calls and emails to make it happen.

Even though I got my computer, it was apparently a miracle. I would never in a million years consider using JCM again, based on my friend's experience alone. Waaaay too much stress.

I'm very interested though to see how this story progresses...

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Apr 16, 2002, 09:13 AM
 


Their website is constantly changing. They no longer accept Paypal (or Paypal no longer accepts them). Also, they no longer accept credit cards since the cards require shipment in 7 days or less after payment, something that they don't do for their "pre-sale" products.
     
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Apr 16, 2002, 02:35 PM
 
Just wanted to post this link again, for those of you directly affected by this company: http://pub36.ezboard.com/funofficial...tart=1&stop=20
     
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Apr 16, 2002, 07:52 PM
 
It would almost be funny, if it wasn't so sad. When a company changes their terms and conditions almost daily, there is something strange going on. This morning they refused to accept credit cards for presale items. This afternoon, they accept credit cards but the people who use credit cards must pay more. Better check their terms and conditions tonite...they might change again!
     
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Apr 20, 2002, 07:26 AM
 
Originally posted by saraho:
<STRONG>It would almost be funny, if it wasn't so sad. When a company changes their terms and conditions almost daily, there is something strange going on. This morning they refused to accept credit cards for presale items. This afternoon, they accept credit cards but the people who use credit cards must pay more. Better check their terms and conditions tonite...they might change again!</STRONG>
Well, guess what? Terms and conditions were changed again. They're back to refusing credit cards for presale items, which is 99.9% of the products they offer. Must be cash on the line. Yours.

     
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Apr 25, 2002, 04:17 PM
 
Have you seen this on aboutjcmorris.com?

If you can't be assed looking it says:
J.C. Morris & Company seeks legal intervention against a small group of individuals who have purposely disrupted our company and the majority of our customers.

A full public disclosure will be released on Friday, April 26th and we would like to thank our many patient and satisfied customers for their support.
Hmm
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Apr 25, 2002, 09:12 PM
 
Now that is entertaining! We will release blah blah blah. Whatever, why not just do it now and get it over with? You cannot pursue legal action against anyone who is stating his or her opinion. Ever hear of the First Amendment? I don't see anyone making disparaging remarks about this company. In fact, they are expressing the concern about the validity of this company. If they are not scam artists, then let's see something on paper. I think this is just their way of trying to scare people into making them think they are on the straight and narrow.


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Apr 25, 2002, 10:49 PM
 
saraho in powermac forum said that notice is related to viruses.
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 01:22 AM
 
hey guys
I'll make this quick - anyone one this forum who hasn't contacted me yet, but feels they've been defrauded by J.C.Morris and HAS EVIDENCE to back this up (ie emails from them) please email me with details.

I need:
What you bought
When you bought it
How much you paid
When it was delayed (preferably each date if it was multiple times) and WHY
Who you were in contact with
If you made any agreements with them that they didn't follow through on
When you made those agreements
When you cancelled
When you were last contacted by them

the more info the better. I've been contacted by a number of people since I began posting on the ezboard forum (since shut down, but the posts are still up: http://pub36.ezboard.com/funofficial...cID=166.topic) and am compiling this info. If you want to take action please contact me!

[email protected]

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Apr 26, 2002, 02:33 PM
 
anyone here need more info, I'm trying to move people who are actually dealing with this company to the more appropriate FatWallet forum so this thread can die...
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...threadid=53925

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Apr 26, 2002, 04:37 PM
 
Originally posted by fulmer:
<STRONG>saraho in powermac forum said that notice is related to viruses.</STRONG>
I don't think the legal thing is related to the virus thing....

This taken from the legal page:
J.C. Morris & Company's attorneys finalize a multi-million dollar lawsuit which will be filed Monday, April 29th, 2002.

The lawsuit alleges some of the Defendants who operate businesses in a competitive field as J.C. Morris & Company's Sales Division, willfully and intentionally have been conspiring to disrupt the companies operation starting as early as November of last year.
They say on their news page that the virus thing has only been going on in the last few days.

Can I just say that I really can't believe some of the stuff that I've read about this company here and in several other places. Shoddy business practices ahoy!
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Apr 26, 2002, 10:54 PM
 
I must share my experience after reading all this messages.
Funny I didn't fully suspect JCM being a scam for a longtime.
I found JCM in search of a new laptop to replace my old one last october.
Ordered a cheap one on JCM for $700, but didn't receive it after a couple delays. Called many times and finally got hold of a manager that decided to let me choose a similar model on CDW. I ended up getting the one I'm using right now from CDW that's been retailed for over $1700, no additional charge!!! That certainly made me happy and bolder, so I placed more orders for a number of "dream machines" that a poor student like me can only touch in stores, such as 22" cinema displays, TiBooks, etc. These orders were not easy to get. None was on time, but I did receive 12 units of various models by the end of Feburary 2002. Of course, encouraged by these worrisome but rewarding business, I placed more and bigger orders while the old ones were being fullfilled over time. After Feb, I never get anything from them again, and the story goes the same with what most of you have experienced.

Now, they literally cut off all connections, and no one responds to my calls or mails this week. I still have outstanding orders of over $30000. Last time I heard anything back was the promise that they will contact me after 1pm this past wednesday.

Guess I'm still lucky since I used platinum CCs with fraud-protection. With the previous orders being fulfilled, I can't complain about the delay, but if they do take the money and run away, I will certainly support a class-action of some sort to punish them. Hope they are really dealing with operational problems, but I won't be too naive. I sent them request for refund today just as an evidence for my CC companies, not really counting on getting any response or money anyway. Just wish every customer here could at least get their money back. The time we spent on this should be the tuition for a good lesson in life.

Thank you all for taking meaningful actions! Good luck everyone!
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Apr 27, 2002, 12:45 AM
 
Originally posted by titaniumX:
<STRONG> That certainly made me happy and bolder, so I placed more orders for a number of "dream machines" that a poor student like me can only touch in stores, such as 22" cinema displays, TiBooks, etc.
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Now, they literally cut off all connections, and no one responds to my calls or mails this week. I still have outstanding orders of over $30000. Last time I heard anything back was the promise that they will contact me after 1pm this past wednesday.
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Dude, this is not a flame or an attack, but I'd like to know... If you're "a poor student," what are you doing spending $30,000 on computer equipment??

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Originally posted by Thunderbird:
<STRONG>

Dude, this is not a flame or an attack, but I'd like to know... If you're "a poor student," what are you doing spending $30,000 on computer equipment??</STRONG>
That's exactly what I was thinking...
     
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Apr 27, 2002, 10:10 AM
 
Didn't I say I used Platinum CCs? It's credit, not cash. yes, I'm a risk taker. And in some way, it pays off. But it has it's drawbacks, and I won't try this again.
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May 2, 2002, 06:47 PM
 
JC Morris offers a discount alright - only 30% back on your money. See below letter from March 25, 2002 that has been posted on the internet at http://www.mediasnob.com/yoy/archive...2002_03_24.php
(for additional info see http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...threadid=53925 )

What an ordeal.
Here's the latest email from JC Morris, the company I paid $800 to in November in return for an iBook they never sent me. Now they're reneging on their refund promise (to give me my money back plus enough to buy the iBook somewhere else) and they've sent me this "Agreement" in order for them to give me the inadequate refund they now want to offer. I have NOT agreed to this, and they don't seem to understand that a contract you don't sign isn't binding. So take a gander at this sucker, and note that the typos are not mine.

Dear J___ N____:


Upon the instructions of our legal department the below document is related to
your replacement costs on your product (s) which have not been delivered. The
replacement cost which J. C. Morris & Company agrees to is outlined below. You
may wish to have this document reviewed by an attorney prier to acceptance.
If you disagree or dispute this agreement in any fashion you will need to email
[email protected] . If you accept this
agreement please email me back to that I may process it accordingly.


REPLACEMENT COST SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT


This Replacement Cost Agreement ("Agreement") is made and effective this March
25, 2002, by and between J___ N___ ("First Party"), and J.C. Morris & Company,
Inc. ("Second Party").


First Party and Second Party are parties to a Replacement Cost Settlement.


The First Party has alleged that the Second Party is in default of its obligations
to deliver a product or products (the "First Party's Claims");


The Second Party has alleged that the First Party is not entitled to any form
of compensation for the failure to delivery said product or products since the
failure to deliver said product or products were at the fault of the distributor
and/or vendor to whom the Second Party purchased the First Party's product or
products. In addition to provisions outlined in the Second Party's Terms and
Conditions, which the Party of the First Part accepted at the time they engaged
in the transaction in question. ("Second Party's Claims"); and


The First Party and the Second Party wish to resolve their differences and responsibilities
pursuant to the Replacement Cost Agreement, the First Party's Claims and the
Second Party's Claims.


NOW THEREFORE, in consideration of the foregoing and the covenants, releases,
and agreements set forth herein and for other good and valuable consideration,
First Party and Second Party agree as follows:


1. Release.
A. For valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby
acknowledged, and with the intent to be legally bound hereby, First Party does
hereby release, acquit, and forever discharge Second Party from and does hereby
covenant and agree never to institute or cause to be instituted any complaint,
or public posting, suit or other form of action or proceeding of any kind or
nature whatsoever against Second Party based upon the First Party's Claims and
any and all other claims, demands, indebtedness, agreements, promises, causes
of action, obligations, damages, or liabilities of any nature whatsoever, in
law or in equity, whether known or unknown, suspected, or claimed, that First
Party ever had, has claimed to have, now has, or may hereafter have or claim
to have against Second Party related in any way to or arising out of or by reason
of any matter, cause, thing, or act of Second Party, or any of Second Party's
employees, or any omission of Second Party, or any of Second Party's employees
related in any way to or arising out of any claims asserted or that could have
been asserted, or related in any way to or arising out the First Party's business
dealings, business relationship, etc with the Second Party.


B. For valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which is hereby
acknowledged, and with the intent to be legally bound hereby, Second Party does
hereby release, acquit, and forever discharge First Party from, and does hereby
covenant and agree never to institute or cause to be instituted any suit or other
form of action or proceeding of any kind or nature whatsoever against First Party
based upon the Second Party's Claims and any and all other claims, demands, indebtedness,
agreements, promises, causes of action, obligations, damages, or liabilities
of any nature whatsoever, in law or in equity, whether know or unknown, suspected,
or claimed that Second Party ever had, has claimed to have, now has, or may hereafter
have or claim to have against First Party related in any way to or arising out
of or by reason of any matter, cause, thing, or act of First Party, or any of
First Party's employees, or any omission of First Party, or any of First Party's
employees related in any way to or arising out of any claims asserted or that
could have been asserted, or related in any way arising out the Second Party's
business dealings, business relationship, etc with the First Party.


2. Replacement Cost and/or Compensation.
In partial consideration of the release provided herein, the parties agree to
the following payment:
i. The Party of the Second Part will reimburse the Party of the First Part all
monies paid to the Party of the Second Part, less any credits, adjustments, or
refunds already issued to the Party of the First Part.


ii. The Party of the Second Part agrees to pay the Party of the First Part the
total sum thirty (30) percent of the value of what the Party of the First Part
has paid to the Party of the Second Part. (Example, if the Party of the First
Part has paid the Party of the Second Part $5000 for product (s) which is undeliverable.
The Party of the Second Part would issue a Replacement Cost in the amount of
$1,500)


iii. The Party of the Second Part agrees to pay the Replacement Cost within ten
(10) business days, once acceptance of this Agreement is acknowledged by the
Party of the First Part.


iv. The Party of the Second Part will pay the Replacement Cost by company check,
which will be mailed by registered mail to the Party of the First Part's billing
address on file.


v. In other consideration, the Party of the Second Part who has no future obligation
to the Distributor or Vendor who failed to deliver said product or products in
question will make available to the Party of the First Part the option to repurchase
a product or products of their choice (which can not exceed the quantity originally
ordered) currently offered by the Party of the Second Part's at a flat discount
rate of 50% which will be delivered to the Party of the First Part within 20
business days, or the Party of the Second Part agrees to provide the product
or products free of charge. In the event the Party of the First Part accepts
this option, they will be required to replace their order and use the promotional
code “replacement” on their order form. The Party of the Second Part agrees
to process the Party of the First Part's new order within 24 business hours and
provide follow up every 24 business hours until the product or products have
shipped. Please note that this cannot be used in conjunction with any other
offer, promotional discount code, in-house credit, etc.

3. Termination of Agreement.
The Replacement Cost Agreement shall terminate in all respects effective five
(5) business days from the initial date of this Agreement, should this Agreement
not be accepted by the Party of the First Part.


4. Accord and Satisfaction.
It is understood and agreed that the above-recited consideration is provided
to and accepted by the parties in settlement and compromise and as full satisfaction
of disputed claims, the validity of which are expressly denied by the parties,
and such consideration is not to be construed as an admission of liability on
the part of any of the parties, but rather, is for the purpose of terminating
all disputes among the parties related to or arising out of the Replacement Cost
Agreement, the First Party's Claims and the Second Party's Claims.


5. Non-Disclosure.
Each party agrees that it will not disclose to any other person or entity the
existence or nature of this Agreement or any term set forth herein.


6. Successors and Assigns.
This Agreement and the release and covenants contained herein shall be binding
upon and shall inure to the benefit of each party, and each of their respective
predecessors, successors and assigns and each of their respective past and present,
direct and indirect, subsidiary, parent, and affiliated entities, and to each
of their respective past and present employees, agents, attorneys in fact, attorneys
at law, representatives, officers, directors, shareholders, partners and joint
ventures.


7. Entire Agreement.
The terms and conditions set forth herein constitute the entire agreement between
the parties and supersede any communications or previous agreements with respect
to the subject matter hereof. There are no written or oral understandings directly
or indirectly related to this Agreement that are not set forth herein.


8. Failure to Accept this Replacement Cost Agreement.
The Party of the Second Part, who has no obligation by law, to compensate Party
of the First Part, agrees to do so only in order to maintain its high standard
of Customer Service. The Party of the Second Part by virtual of financial obligations
will be unable to offer the Party of the First Part any additional compensation
or monies. The Party of the Second Part acknowledges to the Party of the First
Part is under no obligation to accept this Replacement Cost Agreement. The Party
of the Second Part acknowledge to the Party of the First Part that should they
be unwilling or unable to accept this Agreement that any future negotiates, or
matters pertaining the Party of the First Part's business relationship with the
Party of the Second Part will be turned over on a formal level to the Party of
the Second Part's legal department for final resolution.


9. Governing Law.
This Agreement shall be construed and enforced according to the laws of the State
of Georgia.


10. Headings.
The headings in this Agreement are for convenience only, confirm no rights or
obligations in either party, and do not alter any terms of this Agreement.


11. Severability.
If any term of this Agreement is held by a court of competent jurisdiction to
be invalid or unenforceable, then this Agreement, including all of the remaining
terms, will remain in full force and effect as if such invalid or unenforceable
term had never been included.


IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Party of the Second Part has executed this Agreement
on this date March 25, 2002 and agrees to allow the Party of the First Part ten
(10) business days from this date to accept the Replacement Cost Agreement.


Jim Morris
Acting CEO
J.C. Morris & Company, Inc.

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May 3, 2002, 05:59 AM
 
Stick well clear of this company, they are taking advantage of peoples situations...

This company is a joke, you just have to read their user agreement, its time to try to get any money you may have invested in this company back...

If i was you i would do it as soon as possible, as in NOW!
CHRIS SMITH

     
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Bleh

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Wow, then a lot of people are in hot water over merchant complaints on countless other forums. If they didn't like what we were saying, they could have one of the mods close down the thread. :o
     
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Originally posted by Cellery:
<STRONG>Wow, then a lot of people are in hot water over merchant complaints on countless other forums. If they didn't like what we were saying, they could have one of the mods close down the thread. :o</STRONG>
That is correct. Look at the letter sent to pbzone. They published it on their site.
http://www.pbzone.com/images/page1.jpg
http://www.pbzone.com/images/page2.jpg

Pbzone responded to the letter as follows:

On February 8th, we received a cryptic and rude phone call confirming The PowerBook Zone's physical address. After confirming the address for the caller, we asked what the call regarded. The caller responded something to the effect of "the company is connected to slanderous material" That's to the best of our recollection...it was quite early Pacific time. As you'll see, the caller was calling from the East coast.

Fast forward to today. PBZone and at least one other website received what's commonly referred to as a "cease and desist" letter. Our network-partner X Appeal.org received two from Apple for posting screen shots of the Mac OS X Developer Previews. The letter can be read it its two-page entirety here and here. Now that you're done reading it, you may realize a few errors in the letter. Among them:

The letter claims the post is "undated." The supposedly offending post is most certainly dated. It's part of the November 15th update. The date and time are clearly listed. This website's name is "The PowerBook Zone" not "the Power Book Zone." In the quoted portion of the letter, it refers to PowerBook Central as "Power Book Central," a misquote. The single quotes around J.C. Morris & Company are added in the letter. We said "PBZone" on line two, they added a space. There are a bevy of quote problems on lines 3/4/5. The comma following "i.e." in our post has been omitted. The parentheses around "MAP" have been turned into brackets in their letter.
We said "...this one which supposedly was to benefit the Red Cross disaster relief fund..." They turned it into "...this one was supposedly to benefit the Red Cross Disaster Relief Funds..." Next, we said "...'Auction for America' that does not leave it up to the seller to actually donate the funds.' They said "...'Auction for America,' the docs do not leave it up to the seller to actually donate the funds." The last error is their use of "discussing" in the second to last line. We said "discussion." At least they noted that the last emphasis was added. They didn't note the ~20 errors we found in their representation of what was posted on the site. Furthermore, page one has a date of "February 19, 2002" and page two is dated "February 20, 2002.

The definition of libel is as follows:

li�bel
n.
1.
a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
b. The act of presenting such material to the public.
2. The written claims presented by a plaintiff in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court.

The definition of slander is as follows:
slan�der
n.
1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

The letter's assertion that the post on PBZone.com was "slanderous and libellous" is a bit off. We needed a little help on the slander definition, so we consulted this and this. It's pretty clear that slander is spoken. PBZone seems pretty written to us. So that erases one charge. Next, addressing the "2" definition of libel, we're almost positive PBZone.com has never posted anything at admirality law or to an ecclesiastical court. So, we're down to whether the post on November 15th was a false publication that damaged J.C. Morris & Company. First we might visit Amendment I of the Constitution of the United States:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. We realize that "or of the press" does not absolve the press from responsible journalism. Let's let's see if any contents of the post on November 15th were false:

We said the company was taking about a hundred "preorders" for big ticket items, including Macintosh computers. True. We said the company's PayPal account had received payments from over 200 verified customers and the company was a 'verified business member' with PayPal. True. We said they were certified by SquareTrade. True. We said they had only run two auction on eBay, one to benefit the Red Cross that did not use eBay's built in "Auction for America" mechanism for this purpose. Both True. We said the company is no longer registered under the name it used to get the SquareTrade certification. True.

Lastly, we linked to some further discussion and said "These people are bogus." Again, looking to the definition of bogus--"Counterfeit or fake; not genuine"--we stand by our assertion at the time, based on the information we posted as well as that we read at PB Central and MacNN that the company was bogus.

As to the company's legal threats, we're fully prepared to represent ourselves and fully defend any and all statements J.C. Morris & Company may contest.

[ 05-03-2002: Message edited by: saraho ]
     
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May 3, 2002, 01:48 PM
 
I've sent this JC morris story to a number of different places, posted it on other mac forums, and I've sent an email to my local news station which has a spot which investigates this kind of thing- hopefully we can stop more people from buying from this little **** .
     
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p.s. The Sony Vaio website that discussed this matter was closed down abruptly a few days ago.

See:
http://pub36.ezboard.com/ funofficialsonyfrm7.showMessage?topicID=166.topic
     
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It's good to see that pbzone.com is standing up to jcmorris. They clearly have the
law on their side.
     
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If Morris ever tries to email or intimidate me to stop, the only thing he'll be getting is a solid "Suck me sideways, mother****er."
     
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May 4, 2002, 12:28 PM
 
It's amazing that this company is stil in business. It is so OBVIOUS that it's a scam.

Think about it. You pay for a computer. Their supplier can't get the product (so they say), so you get a refund... but you have to sign an NDA to get it, and they only give you 1/3 of the money back!! It's completely unreal!!

BTW JC Morris, the best time to get me at home is between 6 and 9 pm. Thanks.
     
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May 4, 2002, 12:53 PM
 
Bring it on JCMorris, more the merrier...I want to take you and your "law consultants" on 1 by 1....are you afraid to get ahold of me? I beg you to sue me actually. Your company is so awful, you can't even manage the local Dairy Queen I bet. Sugar/Regular cone Mr. Jim Morris?
     
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May 7, 2002, 03:46 AM
 
Check their website:

Ripoff, Inc., er.... I mean, JC Morris

Looks like they've filed for Chapter 11. All of you who have paid and haven't received your products, now's probably a good time to call your credit card company (you did pay with a credit card, didn't you?).

Who knows, maybe they were legit? Maybe they just had a really really really stupid business model.

Somehow I doubt it...

-mithral
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Its about time something happened to these guys.
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Originally posted by mithral:
<STRONG>Check their website:

Ripoff, Inc., er.... I mean, JC Morris

Looks like they've filed for Chapter 11. All of you who have paid and haven't received your products, now's probably a good time to call your credit card company (you did pay with a credit card, didn't you?).</STRONG>
Well, it's about time. I still can't believe that people would even consider taking this "company" seriously.
     
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Did you see that? They're telling people to contact the JCM lawyers if they are still owed equipment or money. And we've seen the agreements that they have been offering - 30% of their money back. That's not acceptable.

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

<small>[ 07-09-2002, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Buckaroo ]</small>
     
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Well I'm another sucker, just found this thread today. I sent ~$2400 back at the end of March. I had done a google search then and all I found were a couple of message board posts saying they were slow to deliver and they spammed you unrelentlessly. I figured if that was all of the problems it was worth it for a good discount; I wish this thread had popped up in that search....

So is there any recourse? I paid via paypal on 04/01 so 30 days have lapsed and paypal is linked to my checking account anyhow. What are the chances of a class action lawsuit doing anything? What about a civil suit?
     
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Originally posted by dav10:
<STRONG>Well I'm another sucker, just found this thread today. I sent ~$2400 back at the end of March. I had done a google search then and all I found were a couple of message board posts saying they were slow to deliver and they spammed you unrelentlessly. I figured if that was all of the problems it was worth it for a good discount; I wish this thread had popped up in that search....

So is there any recourse? I paid via paypal on 04/01 so 30 days have lapsed and paypal is linked to my checking account anyhow. What are the chances of a class action lawsuit doing anything? What about a civil suit? </STRONG>
Dav, contact PayPal ASAP and try to get your money back. With respect to your other questions, I suggest you visit
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...threadid=53925

where the questions you raise are being discussed in greater depth.
     
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Originally posted by mithral:
<STRONG>Check their website:

Ripoff, Inc., er.... I mean, JC Morris

Looks like they've filed for Chapter 11. All of you who have paid and haven't received your products, now's probably a good time to call your credit card company (you did pay with a credit card, didn't you?).

Who knows, maybe they were legit? Maybe they just had a really really really stupid business model.

Somehow I doubt it...

-mithral</STRONG>
Keep in mind that maybe you should not believe everything you read on their site as well....

A scam to get out of a scam??
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I wonder how many of us they are going to try and sue...



****ing scammers.

     
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Ummm... I wonder how likely any lawyer is to take them on as a client?

On a different issue, does anyone remember who first said,

"No one ever went broke understimating the intelligence (taste?) of the American Public"?

Thanks. Not sure why that quote came to mind.
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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

<small>[ 07-09-2002, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Buckaroo ]</small>
     
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Has anyone noticed this link yet? I found it linked from "the story of Nadine" as a story posted on today's slashdot.

Sheesh, I feel bad I finally got my 667 while so many others apparently got screwed Did I dodge a bullet or what?

W
     
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Look at this letter from a year ago. It still applies.
http://web.archive.org/web/200104060...om/members.htm

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hmm.. this is interesting

"J.C. Morris & Company, Inc. will be filing it's Libel Suit in
Superior Court of Fulton County
136 Pryor Street S.W., Suite C-640
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
(404) 730-4518

J.C. Morris & Company, Inc.
Legal Counsel
Libel Action
Jones & Walden
83 Walton Street
Atlanta, Georgia 30303"


maybe they were right and we were wrong
     
 
 
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