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Google's business model: selling other peoples privacy
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May 23, 2010, 02:41 AM
 
Ok. Let's take an example. John Carson, an engineer from Midwest, uses his Android phone, watches Youtube and uses Google maps for travel and Google docs for editing his office documents. He also has Google desktop and Picasa installed. His search engine is Google and he uses Gmail.

Google knows:
1. his exact address, where and how he travels and even suggests him jogging routes (how touching) Google Maps Mania: View Your Jogging Route in Street View
Google Maps Mania: 'Just Map It' with Nike's Google Maps Mashup. Google may have placed a camera near his home which transmits live the situation near the house, where John gets out, when he comes back.

2. His office docs are already on Google servers, as well as his search history, shopping history, video preferences, and all his email, contacts and attachments. They all are constantly scanned, allegedly for viruses and for some useful information. The Picasa stores his private photos of friends, families, places visited. Of course, Picasa offers to send it to Google servers as well. John's home computer files, including private ones, are already all scanned, checked and indexed by Google. John has already permitted Google Desktop to send his information to Google servers even without understanding, when he allowed advanced search settings. His web-shopping financials are checked by Google Checkout. Google news already knows about John's address, news preferences and what he liked to read. Google calendar already knows about John's future plans. Google powermeter knows already about innards of your home and your energy consumption. Google Orkut has precise information about John's friends and his social network.

3. With Google Tv at his home, his living room privacy will be fully invaded and Admob on Android will report to mothership all necessary cell phone information, in addition to everything already stored on Google servers.

Big Broooother is watching you and already selling your privacy for ads. Welcome to Interweb 2010 supported by Google. Now, with all information stored on John Carson's personal and business life, what would be best ads for him? - asks a Google droid. Another droid googles all John's information on Google's servers and comes with best price for John Carson's life and privacy...

Government surveillance is not needed if Google is around. All Government has to do it to get an access to Google servers. Wait, they already did it..


From Android Market regulations: Export Compliance Print
"If you're new to the world of US export laws, you may wonder why they may apply to your Android Market application in the first place. Your application will be hosted on Google servers. Google Inc. is a US company, and the United States government considers it an export when someone outside the US downloads software from our servers. Because of this, your application may be subject to US export laws, including an arcane labyrinth of rules about software that uses encryption (among other things) -- even if you're not located in the US or a US national...

Even if you've open sourced your application, it may still be subject to the export regulations...
Under US export laws, Android Market applications may be prohibited from transfers to embargoed countries. Accordingly, Google blocks downloads to these countries. "We're from the government, and we're here to help." Old jokes aside, the US government does offer advice and resources for you". Why would Google offer advice and resources on behalf of US Government? I guess, there was a good deal. After all, some say 60% of Government offices in USA use Google servers.

Chinese Government just didn't pay enough to Google. After all, Google is a patriotic company and will surrender private information of people, risking their lives in China under censorship, to dictators only with a fair price. Well, the price has been negotiated, you know.The price: "In terms of Google's wider business operations, we intend to continue R&D work in China and also to maintain a sales presence there, though the size of the sales team will obviously be partially dependent on the ability of mainland Chinese users to access Google.com.hk. Finally, we would like to make clear that all these decisions have been driven and implemented by our executives in the United States, and that none of our employees in China can, or should, be held responsible for them. Despite all the uncertainty and difficulties they have faced since we made our announcement in January, they have continued to focus on serving our Chinese users and customers. We are immensely proud of them". Google, David Drummond, SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer, March 2010. After all, how can droids not to steal data from such large market?
     
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May 23, 2010, 10:53 AM
 
Funny thing, Google makes far more money by aggregating individuals' information into non-individual chunks than it could possibly ever make by selling "Joe Smith's" individual information. Advertisers are not interested in individuals-they never have been. They ARE interested in group preferences, and especially in the variations within groups.

I recommend you invest in Reynolds Aluminum. They now have a line of recycled foil-you can be paranoid and green all at the same time!

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May 23, 2010, 11:34 AM
 
Yes, Google's business is built around being the link:

Targetted advertising tailored to individual customers based on information aggregated around them, and specifically NOT around passing that information on - that would be like handing out the crown jewels.

However: Amassing all this information gives them tremendous power - power that is easily abused. All it takes is one ****ing nutcase like that facebook founder ("the idea of separate public and private personae is a ridiculous anachronism") with a hint less naïveté and a hint more malevolence to wreak serious havoc.

Knowing human nature and having just the most basic understanding of WHAT they've been collecting (including your every google search) makes me suspect tinfoil isn't going to be enough.
     
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May 23, 2010, 11:50 AM
 
Lucky for us, there's a solution to this problem.

New, Improved and Legal in 50 States
     
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May 23, 2010, 12:02 PM
 
I think the only solution against this is to get rid of all the "free" services Google and others offer. Perhaps a Mobile Me subscription isn't so bad after all, my ISP should offer something similar too. Thing is, nobody cares about privacy anymore, especially the youth think it's rather cool to show off with their online lives.
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May 23, 2010, 12:23 PM
 
The entire idea that services and products can somehow be free is ridiculous. There's always a bill to be paid, somewhere, either with cash or with information.
     
   
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