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Eug · Mar 20, 2007, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Even if a $199 HD movie player came out tomorrow, I don't think it would lead to a huge impact in adoption rates. Sales would of course increase, but player price is only one factor that's keeping people from buying these things. One is simply uncertainty about which format to choose. Another one is that HDTV ownership is not that widespread, but I think the fact that there aren't very many major movies available on the HD formats is a huge problem. Where are the "Star Wars" or "Lord of the Rings" films? Where are the Pixar films? Obviously the studios are still very much testing the waters, but until these kind of blockbusters show up (and the overall selection improves) I don't think you're going to see widespread adoption of either format.

With HD-DVD in particular, I think a lot of people are going to be reluctant to buy into a format with relatively limited studio support. Then again, most people probably have no idea that this is even an issue.

A $199 price point would be very significant, because at that price it's competing against DVD players, but it already plays DVDs, and with better upscaling than most upscaling DVD players.

Star Wars won't be out for a very long time.

There is no specific date yet for Lord of the Rings, but it has already been announced for both HD DVD and Blu-ray. In fact, there's already a placeholder for the trilogy up on Amazon:

mrtew · Mar 20, 2007, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Where are the "Star Wars" or "Lord of the Rings" films? Where are the Pixar films? Obviously the studios are still very much testing the waters, but until these kind of blockbusters show up (and the overall selection improves) I don't think you're going to see widespread adoption of either format.

Originally Posted by Eug

Star Wars won't be out for a very long time.

Forgive my ignorance but why aren't most movies out on HD by now? I know it's only been a year or so but is it really taking that much time to transfer them and get them made and released or is there some other reason for the delay? Are they debating the formats or waiting for the market to be big enough that their release will make a big splash or considering not releasing some movies on HD at all or what?

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 20, 2007, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by mrtew

Forgive my ignorance but why aren't most movies out on HD by now?

Because studios want to wait till there is a big install base of players to have lots of fanfare when they release big titles like LOTR, Star wars etc.

In fact star wars was already transfered to HD when they did the last DVD release.

mrtew · Mar 20, 2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Because studios want to wait till there is a big install base of players to have lots of fanfare when they release big titles like LOTR, Star wars etc.

Nice.... so the HD players won't catch on and sell because there are no good titles out, and they won't release the good titles (not saying that StarWars and LOTR are good by the way) because the players haven't caught on yet. Now explain why 80% of all TV is still shown in 20th century blurvison please. I can't believe I wasted $1500 on a 42" HDTV.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 20, 2007, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by mrtew

Nice.... so the HD players won't catch on and sell because there are no good titles out, and they won't release the good titles (not saying that StarWars and LOTR are good by the way) because the players haven't caught on yet. Now explain why 80% of all TV is still shown in 20th century blurvison please. I can't believe I wasted $1500 on a 42" HDTV.

Yup chicken and the egg. THe same thing happened with broadcast HDTV. I got a HD set in 1999 but never got an HD receiver until 2003 because there wasn't enough on TV in HD to bother.

All current movies are coming out on HD now though which is great. We just need to wait a while for some old classics.

Adam Betts · Mar 21, 2007, 11:55 AM

HD channels are worth it nowadays, you can find most classic movies on HD most of the time. Blade Runner in HD is simply gorgeous. Even Star Wars 1 to 6 are available in HD channel.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 21, 2007, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Adam Betts

HD channels are worth it nowadays, you can find most classic movies on HD most of the time. Blade Runner in HD is simply gorgeous. Even Star Wars 1 to 6 are available in HD channel.

Ya for sure. For the past 2-3 years just about all new prime time shows are filmed and air in HD.

What is worst though is when a show is shot in HD (like Battlestar) but they air for the first time on non-hd channels. Pathetic.

Eug · Mar 21, 2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Ya for sure. For the past 2-3 years just about all new prime time shows are filmed and air in HD.

What is worst though is when a show is shot in HD (like Battlestar) but they air for the first time on non-hd channels. Pathetic.

The sad part is that BSG is a show that screams to be in HD. I personally really don't care if a biography is shown in HD. SD is usually fine for most of it. BSG would benefit so much from HD though.

They show BSG (old episodes) in HD on CityTV, and the quality sometimes still isn't that good though. Not sure why.

mitchell_pgh · Mar 21, 2007, 04:36 PM

Interesting side note... I went through my queue on Netflix and I had 2 HD-DVDs and 4 Blu-ray movies as options...

Non scientific, but interesting.

I hope they both fight each other forever and I just buy a $300 drive and rip them both to a HD.

I feel like we're bickering over two ridiculously similar formats.

Eug · Mar 21, 2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

I feel like we're bickering over two ridiculously similar formats.

Same here. The war is just stupid (like the + vs - DVD war was).

mitchell_pgh · Mar 21, 2007, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Same here. The war is just stupid (like the + vs - DVD war was).

I feel like I'm watching an over produced 5pm news show.

<shouting> It's a match to the DEATH!!! WHO WILL WIN!!! HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray!!! Film at 11... </shouting>

goMac · Mar 21, 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

I feel like we're bickering over two ridiculously similar formats.

The only thing different is the laser they use. At one point there was talks about merging the two formats, but it never happened for some dumb reason. Both formats use the same compression algorithms (in theory, Bluray seems to love it's MPEG2).

Eug · Mar 21, 2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Both formats use the same compression algorithms (in theory, Bluray seems to love it's MPEG2).

Part of the reason was that Sony's compression suite apparently wasn't mature enough on the H.264 side (and Sony wasn't really interested in VC-1). Things are different now, and H.264 will be much more popular on Blu-ray than it was before.

goMac · Mar 21, 2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Part of the reason was that Sony's compression suite apparently wasn't mature enough on the H.264 side (and Sony wasn't really interested in VC-1). Things are different now, and H.264 will be much more popular on Blu-ray than it was before.

Sure, but for that specific issue it might be too little to late. Sony was in the awkward position of having bigger discs but not being able to store as much content as HD-DVD. Now when they're finally going to start using H.264, Bluray looks like it's going to lose it's capacity advantage.

Eug · Mar 21, 2007, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Sure, but for that specific issue it might be too little to late. Sony was in the awkward position of having bigger discs but not being able to store as much content as HD-DVD. Now when they're finally going to start using H.264, Bluray looks like it's going to lose it's capacity advantage.

If you're talking about TL51 (or TL45), at this point it's vapourware.

It was just a technology demonstration. Of note is the fact that it hasn't even been formally submitted to the DVD Forum yet, so there is no chance in hell we'll see it anytime soon. Furthermore, there's no guarantee it will work on existing players, although I think it might be able to.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 21, 2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Sure, but for that specific issue it might be too little to late. Sony was in the awkward position of having bigger discs but not being able to store as much content as HD-DVD. Now when they're finally going to start using H.264, Bluray looks like it's going to lose it's capacity advantage.

Actually many current BR releases are still MPEG but they get reviewed as having reference quality picture. Whatever Sony was doing wrong in the first few months with MPEG2 they seemed to have fixed as it looks as good or better than the other codecs.

goMac · Mar 21, 2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Actually many current BR releases are still MPEG but they get reviewed as having reference quality picture. Whatever Sony was doing wrong in the first few months with MPEG2 they seemed to have fixed as it looks as good or better than the other codecs.

MPEG2 can look as good as other codecs, that's not at all the problem. The problem is that MPEG4 on HD-DVD can hold more content than MPEG2 on Bluray.

Brien · Mar 21, 2007, 05:44 PM

Over at HDDigest there's a thread claiming Casino Royale sold over 100k the first week on Blu-ray. IF that's true, then Toshiba really needs to start paying attention.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 21, 2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

MPEG2 can look as good as other codecs, that's not at all the problem. The problem is that MPEG4 on HD-DVD can hold more content than MPEG2 on Bluray.

Well good thing BR has double the storage and more importantly titles worth encoding at all.

No Disney
No Sony
No Pixar
No sale

goMac · Mar 21, 2007, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Well good thing BR has double the storage...

Right but as I said, HD-DVD with MPEG4 can hold more content than Bluray with MPEG2, even though Bluray has more capacity.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 21, 2007, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Right but as I said, HD-DVD with MPEG4 can hold more content than Bluray with MPEG2, even though Bluray has more capacity.

Oh well, good thing studio's like making 2 disk sets and I haven't seen a full to the rim 50 gig BR yet. Guess it comes down to titles then.

icruise · Mar 21, 2007, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Right but as I said, HD-DVD with MPEG4 can hold more content than Bluray with MPEG2, even though Bluray has more capacity.

What does that actually mean in real-world terms. How many hours/minutes are we talking about?

Eug · Mar 21, 2007, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

What does that actually mean in real-world terms. How many hours/minutes are we talking about?

I don't think it's a significant issue.

MPEG2 on single-layer 25 GB Blu-ray is may not be a good idea for some long movies, but MPEG2 on dual-layer 50 GB Blu-ray should be fine.

There are some outlier cases (like 4 hour long movies), but those are extremely uncommon obviously. Furthermore, 4 hour movies with VC-1/H.264 are a problem with HD DVD too, since HD DVD is limited 30 GB. It's potentially doable on HD DVD, but don't expect any extras or lossless audio tracks.

Some will bring up HD DVD's triple-layer 45 GB or triple-layer 51 GB, but for the time being those are vapourware.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 21, 2007, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Some will bring up HD DVD's triple-layer 45 GB or triple-layer 51 GB, but for the time being those are vapourware.

Too late.

Originally Posted by goMac

The only real knock anyone seems to have against HD-DVD is it's capacity, which seems to have been solved.

icruise · Mar 21, 2007, 11:15 PM

I have to wonder how goMac would react to Blu-ray if it wasn't Sony backing it.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 21, 2007, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

I have to wonder how goMac would react to Blu-ray if it wasn't Sony backing it.

My lord think of how he would react if Nintendo was the one backing Blu-Ray.

Eug · Mar 21, 2007, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Brien

Over at HDDigest there's a thread claiming Casino Royale sold over 100k the first week on Blu-ray. IF that's true, then Toshiba really needs to start paying attention.

I understand that info is coming from paidgeek. If so, then that's likely true, as paidgeek works for Sony. 100000 units for an HD is pretty impressive.

Actually I'm not sure why Casino Royale is that popular. I didn't think it was all that great. I might expect those kind of sales for a movie like Spider Man 2 though (that is, if it had been released day and date).

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 22, 2007, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Eug

I understand that info is coming from paidgeek. If so, then that's likely true, as paidgeek works for Sony. 100000 units for an HD is pretty impressive.

Actually I'm not sure why Casino Royale is that popular. I didn't think it was all that great. I might expect those kind of sales for a movie like Spider Man 2 though (that is, if it had been released day and date).

That last bond movie did really well and got rave reviews plus this is the first real must have blockbuster movie people have been waiting for since BR got popular with the PS3.

Eug · Mar 22, 2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

That last bond movie did really well and got rave reviews plus this is the first real must have blockbuster movie people have been waiting for since BR got popular with the PS3.

Yeah, I know. I just don't know why it got rave reviews. I thought it was OK, but I didn't think it was all that great either, and I certainly had no interest in buying it. My tastes are just different I guess.

goMac · Mar 22, 2007, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

I have to wonder how goMac would react to Blu-ray if it wasn't Sony backing it.

Funny, I supported Bluray before most of the specs of Bluray were released. My motivation was because everyone thought it was coming to the Mac soon. But when I actually sat down and compared Bluray to HD-DVD... HD-DVD had mandatory managed copy, which was a big must for me. Meantime Bluray was drm'd to the wazzo.

I honestly don't care that Bluray is what comes on the PS3. That has nothing to do with my problems with the format.

icruise · Mar 22, 2007, 02:28 AM

What are you planning on using MMC for? Will Apple even support it on the Mac?

goMac · Mar 22, 2007, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

What are you planning on using MMC for?

Archiving HD-DVDs so I won't need the disks. Archive it to a sever and stream it anywhere I want. Storage is cheap.

Originally Posted by icruise

Will Apple even support it on the Mac?

They probably will. Managed copy is in Bluray (thanks to HP's kicking and screaming, and I still have other issues with Bluray). Even if they don't, someone is bound to implement it on the Mac.

Mrjinglesusa · Mar 22, 2007, 10:19 AM

Format neutral here now so don't really care who is winning or who ends up winning. I have the players and discs for either format. In the meantime, I get to enjoy the best both camps have to offer and they can fight it out indefinitely for all I care. Keep an eye on Amazon - they had HD DVD and Blu-ray on sale for 50% off a few weeks ago (~$15/each).

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 23, 2007, 12:50 PM

Gamasutra - Microsoft Admits Xbox 360 Blu-Ray Support Possible

goMac · Mar 23, 2007, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Gamasutra - Microsoft Admits Xbox 360 Blu-Ray Support Possible

They've always said if HD-DVD fails that they would make a Bluray drive for the 360, nothing new, and it's simply good business sense.

That said, they stated that they don't see Bluray selling significantly better than HD-DVD right now.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 23, 2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

That said, they stated that they don't see Bluray selling significantly better than HD-DVD right now.

"Microsoft has always denied plans to release games on the HD-DVD format and this would presumably also follow for any potential Blu-ray drive. Recent data has suggested that cumulative sales of Blu-ray discs have surpassed those for HD-DVD for the first time, with Blu-ray outselling the HD-DVD format discs by a margin of more than 2-to-1."

goMac · Mar 23, 2007, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

"Microsoft has always denied plans to release games on the HD-DVD format and this would presumably also follow for any potential Blu-ray drive. Recent data has suggested that cumulative sales of Blu-ray discs have surpassed those for HD-DVD for the first time, with Blu-ray outselling the HD-DVD format discs by a margin of more than 2-to-1."

Microsoft said they don't feel Bluray is selling significantly better the HD-DVD. They said if they did feel that way, they'd make a Bluray drive. You can quote stats from the article, but I'm saying what Microsoft said in the article.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 23, 2007, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Archiving HD-DVDs so I won't need the disks. Archive it to a sever and stream it anywhere I want. Storage is cheap.

So current HD-DVD's allow you to copy the movie to a disk?

Personally I rather have a tiny disks with me over eating 30 GIGS for a damn movie on a hard drive.

Even then why would I want to? Where and when do I want to watch HD movies and not want a disk but a huge hard drive with 10 movies on it?

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 23, 2007, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Microsoft said they don't feel Bluray is selling significantly better the HD-DVD.

Considering they back HD I don't think they are going to sing praises of BR anytime soon.

Can you imagine what the sales ratio is going to be for the month of March? If bond really did sell 100,000 in one WEEK it is going to be 6:1.

Lord help HD-DVD when POTC, Spiderman and Cars hit BR. Even then I doubt Universal will be so stubborn.

goMac · Mar 23, 2007, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Considering they back HD I don't think they are going to sing praises of BR anytime soon.

Can you imagine what the sales ratio is going to be for the month of March? If bond really did sell 100,000 in one WEEK it is going to be 6:1.

Microsoft said if HD-DVD doesn't work out they'll do Bluray. Just as I would expect Sony to go HD-DVD if Bluray didn't work out. It's just good business sense.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Lord help HD-DVD when POTC, Spiderman and Cars hit BR. Even then I doubt Universal will be so stubborn.

And HD-DVD doesn't have anything coming? Lord of the Rings is coming to HD-DVD, and honestly, I don't see a big rush for Spiderman or Cars when they hit Bluray. They're old releases, and heck, I didn't even care about Spiderman enough to buy it on DVD.

People aren't going to care about old re-releases. They're going to care about new films they don't already own. And honestly, I think Disney is going to fall flat here. All their new stuff has been complete crap. You don't see a big rush for Chicken Little on Bluray.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 23, 2007, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

And HD-DVD doesn't have anything coming? Lord of the Rings is coming to HD-DVD, and honestly, I don't see a big rush for Spiderman or Cars when they hit Bluray.

Cars is old? Wow high standards.

There is already lots of worry by the HD crew about the LOTR releases because they don't think they can get the extended versions on one disk WITH DTS audio and so forth. Even worse it might not be the extended version or have worse picture quality.

P.S. isn't LOTR and "old release". At least "older" than Cars? And I guess since you don't want spiderman nobody will especially with #3 coming out and the fact that those 2 movies were some of the biggest movies of all time. Same goes for Pirates... all 3 of them.

P.P.S You never answered how, when or why you need 30 gig movies on a hard drive over a tiny disk.

Eug · Mar 23, 2007, 02:39 PM

I don't think that Cars is really as important as some may think for the HD war. It will be popular, but in the end it's still a kids movie, and IMO the worst of the Pixar movies so far.

As for LOTR, DTS per se is not really an issue since DD+ at the same bitrate is probably better quality anyway. Nonetheless, the length of the extended version of the extended version of the movie is still problematic for HD DVD, there's no denying this (although it's potentially doable). Also, it's not an HD DVD exclusive movie either.

BTW, supposedly the initial LOTR releases are the theatrical releases. I'm not going to buy those. I'm waiting for the extended versions.

P.S. I have zero interest in buying POTC, Cars, or Casino Royale. The one Blu-ray exclusive I really want is Hero, but for some reason Sony has not announced this title, or have even hinted at it.

goMac · Mar 23, 2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Cars is old? Wow high standards.

It's not old necessarily, but it's a re-release.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

There is already lots of worry by the HD crew about the LOTR releases because they don't think they can get the extended versions on one disk WITH DTS audio and so forth. Even worse it might not be the extended version or have worse picture quality.

Given that Bluray is releasing things on two discs, and that's ok with you, what's wrong with two discs on LOTR for HD-DVD?

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

P.S. isn't LOTR and "old release". At least "older" than Cars? And I guess since you don't want spiderman nobody will especially with #3 coming out and the fact that those 2 movies were some of the biggest movies of all time. Same goes for Pirates... all 3 of them.

I didn't say LOTR would sell big either. People are only going to rebuy releases on new media when their old media stops working. People didn't buy DVD copies of their old stuff on VHS until their VHS decks stopped working. As long as DVD is around, I don't think Bluray/HD-DVD re-releases will sell well. Look at the only one that's sold well. James Bond. Not a re-release.

People will buy Bluray and HD-DVD to watch new films. Not to watch ones they already own. I also doubt the average consumer will be able to justify the cost of re-purchasing films they already own.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

P.P.S You never answered how, when or why you need 30 gig movies on a hard drive over a tiny disk.

Convenience. If I wanted to, I could sit down at an Apple TV (or something like that), scroll through all my movies, and then pick one to watch. Not to mention my movies would be side by side with my tv shows and my music.

Storage/Cost isn't really a huge problem for me. I can easily afford to roll my own RAID array of a terrabyte or two.

Eug · Mar 23, 2007, 02:48 PM

Mandatory managed copy is not supported currently by either HD DVD or Blu-ray. However both have it as part of their specs.

icruise · Mar 23, 2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

It's not old necessarily, but it's a re-release.

And Lord of the Rings isn't?

Given that Bluray is releasing things on two discs, and that's ok with you, what's wrong with two discs on LOTR for HD-DVD?

I'm sure he meant two discs for the movie itself, which would definitely NOT be ok. Splitting the special features onto another disc, isn't that big of a deal, though.

I didn't say LOTR would sell big either. People are only going to rebuy releases on new media when their old media stops working. People didn't buy DVD copies of their old stuff on VHS until their VHS decks stopped working.

I don't know where you got this idea from. LOTS of people (myself included) replaced their entire VHS collections with DVD because it was such a big difference in quality and convenience. I actually own most of my Blu-ray movies on DVD as well, although I don't have any intention of rebuying my whole collection (even if it were possible) since the difference between VHS and DVD was bigger IMHO than the difference between DVD and Blu-ray/HD-DVD, and it would be prohibitively expensive.

Of course it's true that new releases sell better than catalog titles. That's just the way things work.

goMac · 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Mandatory managed copy is not supported currently by either HD DVD or Blu-ray. However both have it as part of their specs.

Correct, the players don't support it yet.

The other thing about a media server is it's more flexible.

A 1080p playing HD-DVD or Bluray drive is going to run about $900-$1000. For a little more, I can get 4 500 gig drives for 2 terabytes of space ($130 each, so $520 for the drives), a Bad Axe motherboard (RAID controllers onboard, $200), a processor ($200), and an HD-DVD drive (for $300). So for about $1200 I can get a machine that can play and rip (eventually) HD-DVD. It can send it to any TV in the house that has a streaming box (cheap), and it can send the media to any computer in the house. All at full 1080p quality.

If you go the player route, you have to buy a player for each tv, and each of your machines has to have a appropriate drive inside. This will cost you a lot more than just one server and some streaming boxes.

Not to mention, if HD-DVD does lose out to Bluray, all I have to do is swap out my HD-DVD drive in the media server for a Bluray one. All my ripped media will continue to work. And I don't have to replace every player on every tv and computer I have.

goMac · Mar 23, 2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

And Lord of the Rings isn't?

Didn't I say I didn't expect LOTR to be a blockbuster either?

Originally Posted by icruise

I don't know where you got this idea from. LOTS of people (myself included) replaced their entire VHS collections with DVD because it was such a big difference in quality and convenience. I actually own most of my Blu-ray movies on DVD as well, although I don't have any intention of rebuying my whole collection (even if it were possible) since the difference between VHS and DVD was bigger IMHO than the difference between DVD and Blu-ray/HD-DVD, and it would be prohibitively expensive.

I don't know anyone who did that until their VHS stopped working. I'm sure there are people who bought re-releases as soon as they came out on DVD, but they're probably in a minority.

Eug · Mar 23, 2007, 03:07 PM

This reminds me. I'm not so interested in Apple TV cuz it has no 1080p support, and even the 720p support it has is pretty ghetto.

Anyone know of a good Mac-based video-to-WMV converter? That would work well with my Xbox 360 and Connect360 for my iMac.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 23, 2007, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

This reminds me. I'm not so interested in Apple TV cuz it has no 1080p support, and even the 720p support it has is pretty ghetto.

Is it true it also doesn't support 5.1 audio?

goMac · Mar 23, 2007, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Is it true it also doesn't support 5.1 audio?

It has optical audio, but in since the Apple TV does audio processing on this end I'm guessing it won't send out 5.1 on it's end. The Mac Mini probably doesn't have a dedicated sound card to do the audio processing probably because there isn't enough space.

The AppleTV does 1080i Eug. I don't know whether it outputs 1080i at 60 fps or 30 fps. If it did 60, as you said, it would be able to do 1080p quality.