[moki]

Here's a video of Panther's Expos� feature on a dual G5. Oh yeah.

mirror1: http://mahajir.ambrosia.net/spx2_panther_expose.mov (9mb)

mirror2: http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/news/upcom...her_expose.mov (9mb)

[RevEvs]

nearly as nice as my expos� on a dual g5 with dual screens

revs

[moki]

Originally posted by RevEvs:
nearly as nice as my expos� on a dual g5 with dual screens

Well, I meant to show off how cool Expos� was -- very sweet, and I'm glad to finally be able to talk about it.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by moki:
Here's a video of Panther's Expos� feature on a dual G5. Oh yeah.

http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/news/upcom...her_expose.mov (9mb)

Wow, I didn't know Copernicus was that fast.

Thats amazing!

[moki]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Wow, I didn't know Copernicus was that fast.

Thats amazing!

heh -- not quite -- the movie was taken with a beta of Snapz Pro X 2 -- the video capture speed is pretty amazing.

Anyway, Panther and Expos� are even more amazing. I thought the idea sounded unworkable when I first saw it demo'd, but Expos� has to be my favorite feature of OS X 10.3.

[fafnir]

Nice done moki,
but could you make a video which is less nervous and irritable?
If I show this Video my PC-Friends, they would slander that Mac-Users drink to much coffee and would miss the point how useful Expos� is.
(Think it that way: If Steve Jobs had shown in his Keynote this video, we all would have been very confused and not amazed)

P.S.
Please excuse my bad english, im german.

[icruise]

Wow moki, you and I use the exact same lantern icons for our hard disks (well, I use mine for the partitions on my external firewire drive).

I'm impressed at how well the DVD player and iTunes visuals cope with expos�~.

[romanesq]

Holy Gadzuookas.

That's one rockin demo. Now you ruined it for me before I get it installed on a g5 1.25 PB.

That is so cool with the ease of applications accessability.

WOW.

Later today I should be joining the club.
(If Fedex gets me mine.)

[- - e r i k - -]

No slowmotion Expos�??

[Love Calm Quiet]

I agree about the hectic speed. Don't I remember hearing there's an option for having the changes move slo-mo?

[- - e r i k - -]

Yup. Shift-click your Expos�-bound key.

[biscuit]

e-gad that's cool!

Sadly, I doubt it'll be as slick on my 600 MHz iBook

Still, I'm gonna have to get me a copy of Panther soon....

biscuit

[Gee4orce]

I love the way palette windows fade away when you Expos�. Very Apple ! It's so fast and subtle that you hardly notice it unless you use SHIFT.

..yeah, and the way DVDs keep playing is cool too. Shame the Expos�d windows aren't smoothed thought !

[Gee4orce]

Yay ! Jane's Addiction too. My favourite track off Strays as well - good taste in music there Moki

[midwinter]

Originally posted by moki:
Here's a video of Panther's Expos� feature on a dual G5. Oh yeah.

mirror1: http://mahajir.ambrosia.net/spx2_panther_expose.mov (9mb)

mirror2: http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/news/upcom...her_expose.mov (9mb)

5:56 AM?!?!

A.M.?!?

And I thought I got up early!

[dr. zoidberg]

sweet, ssshweet gorilla of manila!! that�sh one wicked demo of a dual dshee 5 in axcsshshshshsshsshhhnn... *excessive mouth watering*

[Xeo]

Originally posted by moki:
very sweet, and I'm glad to finally be able to talk about it.

Oh, you know you wanted to break the NDA. Everyone else was doing it.

And I'm more impressed w/ Snapz Pro 2 (simply because I've played w/ Exposé enough). I realize it's on the FASTEST OF THE FASTEST Mac right now, but it's still doing a damn good job at capturing the screen. I can't wait for its release!

[sniffer]

Originally posted by biscuit:
e-gad that's cool!

Sadly, I doubt it'll be as slick on my 600 MHz iBook

Still, I'm gonna have to get me a copy of Panther soon....

biscuit

Actually I bet you wouldn't be disappointed. I am running it on the same iBook (w/ati rage) and only 128 mb. Works amazingly smooth considering the hardware it's on, thought extra ram and HD upgrade is around the corner and will make it even better. It's great.

[RoofusPennymore]

Has anyone tried Expose on a older G3 mac?

[toshigen]

Okay... seeing that just makes me want to buy a dual G5. DVD, iTunes and much more all running smoothly while switching between apps/windows with Expose is very impressive.

I've been deciding between a G5 desktop or one of the new 15" Powerbooks... more and more I'm starting to lean towards the G5.

[RooneyX]

I never have that many windows open at the same time anyway. Worst music btw

[The Jackalope]

[dbergstrom]

I have seen Expose on an iBook G3/500 with the 8MB ATI Rage Mobile graphics card. It's not as fast or as smooth as on the G5, but it's definitely usable.

I am amazed at a feature that has come out of nowhere and really revolutionized the GUI. This will change my workflow and make me much more productive.

Kudos to Apple!

[JB72]

Originally posted by The Jackalope:

LOL that monocle smilie rox.

Thanks for the video Moki.

[aapljack]

As I work today I have had many times where I needed a non-visible window. I can't wait for Expose. Such a cool feature. Wonder how long it will be before Microsoft copies? 3yrs perhaps?

[RyanG3]

Holy SH%# that's freakin' cool!! Thanks Moki!
Can't wait to get Snapz Pro 2!!!!!!!!!!!!

[foamy]

Great video moki.

I figured this was an appropriate thread to post the following Expose tidbit which I haven't seen mentioned previously.

If you invoke expose with F9, then hit tab, it cycles through each applications' windows ala F10. Perhaps this specific feature has been mentioned, but with a 5-button mouse, a small screen and a lot of windows, one can rapidly find what you want by programming one button as "F9" and another as "tab".

cheers.

[ixavi]

Actually, M$ is currently copying that!
They have their own version of Quartz Extreme in Longhorn (using directx 9) and start doing crazy stuff with windows (it's not useful like expose but who cares! ).

You can see it here: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1154262,00.asp
They always copy everything... I think they have only one person working in I+D and he's always visiting apple.com

[Hydra]

Wow, that's impressive. I can't wait to get Panther on my dual G5. Too bad that capture app is so fuzzy and choppy, I guess I'll have to wait to see it in person Just kidding, That capture is almost more impressive than Expose', I can practically read all the text on the screen. Thanks for the appetizer.

ixavi,

You complained that Longhorn is gonna catch up to Quartz Extreme? First MS has to actually ship product and now it seems that it's not gonna see the light of day till 2006. We may be on OSX 10.5 by then, who knows what else Apple will have up it's sleeve by then. Don't worry MS will have to wait with the rest of us to see how the future of the GUI is gonna pan out before they figure what "innovations" they will pursue

-Jerry C.

[Ratm]

>ixavi

OT: IMHO Its ok?, there is really nothing you can do to stop or prevent this so I say let them enjoy it. Creative ideas such as these aren't meant to be monopolized and enjoyed by a selected few. Just as long as Apple continues to create wonderful possibilities such as these I'll be content on being an Apple user and could careless about what everyone else is doing.

T: moki> Holy crap!.

[Hydra]

Moki,

I re-watched the movie and your Snapz Pro 2 beta seems to be using between 20-50% of one cpu in your terminal. I want to see at least a 20% improvement in those numbers - start optimizing! Just kidding, just wanted to say that that's pretty impressive as you seemed to be hitting Expose' pretty hard. Expose' and Snapz Pro are both very impressive.


-Jerry C.

[noka]

yeah, i hate to double post, but i gotta say it again...

just got panther installed... mail.app and everything else is making my windows-laden co-workers drool..

...expos� especially!! woohooo!!!!

it's happy on my dual 2GHz G5... I wonder how it'll be on my home system (dual 800 G4)...

so far, I'm loving panther!

[ixavi]

I definitely agree with your opinions Hydra and Ratm.

I know desktop compositing was not invented by Apple but it seems pretty obvious that they are trying to copy Quartz. I have no fears about MS catching up with Apple in terms of ease of use, integration and overall experience (all fears were gone once I switched to mac ). As some of you said we should be at 10.5 when MS ships Longhorn. OS X and G5 make the winning combination. Man that Expos� demo is awesome... dvd playback not skipping and iTunes visuals at full speed... whoaaa!

Excuse my bad english, I'm writing from spain. Sometimes don't know how to write what I think.

Take care.

[bonk]

I can imagine the next windows virus where some person opens an email and all of their windows start floating around, spinning like crazy, lol.

[AlphaQuam]

That M$ stuff looks like junk as always. Nothing of what they showed seemed remotely useful. Those two mirrors were going pretty slow for me, so thought I'd mirror as well...

mirror 3: http://www.alphaquam.com/spx2_panther_expose.mov

[wataru]

Originally posted by The Jackalope:

I thought the smiley was punching itself in the eye for a bit there.

[laxthxdude]

All I can say is that the requirements listed for MS's Longhorn points to 2 things:
1) The specs are rediculous. 8xAGP with 64MB min. (128 Recommended)? Very few users have anything close to this.
2) Maybe it answers some of the reason's it been 'pushed' back to 2006: with requirements like these, they need to wait for the market to even have some sort of penetration of users that have specs like this.

Suddenly Apple's 16MB requirement for Quartz Extreme looks like an absolute engineering marvel... Apple does it with 16MB and MS does it with 64MB and 8xAGP... Pretty sums up the differences of Windows vs. OS X right there...

[ZackS]

Originally posted by AlphaQuam:
That M$ stuff looks like junk as always. Nothing of what they showed seemed remotely useful. Those two mirrors were going pretty slow for me, so thought I'd mirror as well...

mirror 3: http://www.alphaquam.com/spx2_panther_expose.mov

THANK YOU!

[ckohler]

I SOOOOOO want to use SnapzProX 2 on my Dual G5. That video only makes the wait hurt that much more.

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by AlphaQuam:
That M$ stuff looks like junk as always. Nothing of what they showed seemed remotely useful. Those two mirrors were going pretty slow for me, so thought I'd mirror as well...

mirror 3: http://www.alphaquam.com/spx2_panther_expose.mov

Second that thanks. Much quicker.

Wow, that's my first look at that in action. Seems really useful. Hopes it as fast for others without a G5.

[AlphaQuam]

Originally posted by vmpaul:
Second that thanks. Much quicker.

Wow, that's my first look at that in action. Seems really useful. Hopes it as fast for others without a G5.

I installed Panther on my parents' iMac quite a long time ago, maybe a build in the 70s? I can't remember, but they have a 400mhz G3 SE and Expose worked very smoothly... not quite like this movie, but definitely useable.

[moki]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
No slowmotion Expos�??

heh - okay, I'll record something in slow motion. Give me a moment.

[zos]

Heck, it's just as fast on my 500mhz G3 Pismo, albeit it's not quite as smooth. So everybody should rejoice.

As much as I'd love the power of a dual G5, I will never again be forced to sit in a chair at a desk, tethered to the cords on a desktop machine.

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by ixavi:
Actually, M$ is currently copying that!
They have their own version of Quartz Extreme in Longhorn (using directx 9) and start doing crazy stuff with windows (it's not useful like expose but who cares! ).

You can see it here: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1154262,00.asp
They always copy everything... I think they have only one person working in I+D and he's always visiting apple.com

I think Microsoft has been working on that since 98. Textured mapped windows and stuff. Old news.

[kovacs]

Oh, that's nice !

Sorry I don't have anything more useful to contribute to this thread

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by AlphaQuam:
That M$ stuff looks like junk as always. Nothing of what they showed seemed remotely useful. [/url]

It's a technology demo and proves how powerful Direct X is. They've got the same DVD there playing in three windows, all of them revolving and transforming and becoming semi-transparent. I'd love to see some Quartz Extreme demos like that.

[moki]

Originally posted by RooneyX:
It's a technology demo and proves how powerful Direct X is. They've got the same DVD there playing in three windows, all of them revolving and transforming and becoming semi-transparent. I'd love to see some Quartz Extreme demos like that.

It actually would be quite easy to do. The hard part about playing a DVD is decoding the video -- once that it done, it's easy to blit the same image into 3 windows.

Quartz also does support transparencies for windows, as well as arbitrary window transformations (not just rotation). So if someone wanted to write a demo like that for OS X, they easily could. And people could use it today, not in 2006 (as with Longhorn).

[moki]

Ok, here's a requested video of Panther's Expos� feature, but in slow motion. This was recorded on an older dual 1ghz G4:

http://www.ambrosiasw.com/news/upcom...ose_slowmo.mov (4.8mb)

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by moki:
It actually would be quite easy to do. The hard part about playing a DVD is decoding the video -- once that it done, it's easy to blit the same image into 3 windows.

Quartz also does support transparencies for windows, as well as arbitrary window transformations (not just rotation). So if someone wanted to write a demo like that for OS X, they easily could. And people could use it today, not in 2006 (as with Longhorn).

Please elaborate...I know how to do the arbitrary window transforms and transparency, but rotation? PLEASE share that one.

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by moki:
It actually would be quite easy to do. The hard part about playing a DVD is decoding the video -- once that it done, it's easy to blit the same image into 3 windows.

Quartz also does support transparencies for windows, as well as arbitrary window transformations (not just rotation). So if someone wanted to write a demo like that for OS X, they easily could. And people could use it today, not in 2006 (as with Longhorn).

Yeah, we all know QE can do it. It would use more CPU on the Mac though because of the PDF aspect. Could you get a couple of your guys to do some fun demos?