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The Final Dakar
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Oct 10, 2017, 01:11 PM
 
...and that's being generous; It assumes you're not already opposed to either what is being protested or who is doing it.

Further, those who support forcing players to stand are asking for forced patriotism, and I'm not really sure to what end.
     
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Oct 10, 2017, 01:39 PM
 
While ON THE JOB their bosses and coaches CAN tell them what to do. Free speech is not an issue. If the NFL loses sponsors, ratings and that tax break, the players may end up needing summer jobs. This is just more of the lefts "RACE CARD DELUXE" ploy.
     
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Oct 10, 2017, 01:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
While ON THE JOB their bosses and coaches CAN tell them what to do. Free speech is not an issue. If the NFL loses sponsors, ratings and that tax break, the players may end up needing summer jobs.
Congrats, that has nothing to with what I said.
     
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Oct 10, 2017, 03:35 PM
 
Plus their bosses seem to be ok with it now. Presumably because someone explained it to them and they aren't buying the anti-patriot BS any more.
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Oct 11, 2017, 12:44 PM
 
That's quite an assumption. Their bosses are stuck between teams of fussy, millionaire prima donnas and the billionaire, head primma donna-in-chief, at least if they go with their teams they'll get their teams to play on Sunday (even if it is to half-filled stadiums in front of smaller TV audiences). It's shit all around, and most ironically, the guy who started this crap doesn't even play the game anymore.

The real losers in this are the fans who just want to watch the games, but the NFL has needed to be deflated for a while now, it was getting far too big for its britches.
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Why has it taken this long for me to realize he's a primadonnald?
     
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Oct 11, 2017, 04:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
...and that's being generous; It assumes you're not already opposed to either what is being protested or who is doing it.

Further, those who support forcing players to stand are asking for forced patriotism, and I'm not really sure to what end.
Policing to make sure you use the right words, phrases, and actions in order to not disrespect a disadvantaged group? Sure sounds like political correctness to me.
     
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Oct 11, 2017, 05:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
the guy who started this crap doesn't even play the game anymore.

Not by choice though is it? The guy can't win with the likes of you. If he keeps his job he's an ungrateful scumbag who should shut up and be grateful he has his multi-million salary, if he sacrifices his career (which I'm lead to understand was a fairly impressive one or at least potentially so) he's just an irrelevant scumbag who started some shit and ran away.

Kaepernick is an absolute hero. He used his platform and risked a hell of a lot (which he lost) to bring much needed awareness to an unforgivable social problem. He came up with a protest that was as respectful as it could possibly be and we all know the real reason he's been shredded for it.

People should be replacing those confederate monuments with statues of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee.

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The real losers in this are the fans who just want to watch the games, but the NFL has needed to be deflated for a while now, it was getting far too big for its britches.
Yes the real losers are the ignorant, privileged middle Americans who are massively inconvenienced by the two minute pose adopted by a few dozen guys before the start of an event they paid to see. Not the 12% of your population who live in a police state.
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Oct 11, 2017, 07:30 PM
 
There's nothing wrong to me about them kneeling. There's also nothing wrong about their employers requiring them to stand. I don't think them kneeling during the pledge in any way supports the social injustice warriors de-jour. They should just spend some of their millions on the cause instead.
     
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Originally Posted by BLAZE_MkIV View Post
I don't think them kneeling during the pledge in any way supports the social injustice warriors de-jour. They should just spend some of their millions on the cause instead.
What if, stay with me here, they did both?
     
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Oct 11, 2017, 11:00 PM
 
Geez, your post was a mess of inaccuracies (and BS).

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Not by choice though is it? The guy can't win with the likes of you. If he keeps his job he's an ungrateful scumbag who should shut up and be grateful he has his multi-million salary, if he sacrifices his career (which I'm lead to understand was a fairly impressive one or at least potentially so) he's just an irrelevant scumbag who started some shit and ran away.
Kaepernick's career was already circling the crapper when he started all this, with talk of him being cut long before he ever started the "take a knee" stunt. So while it likely did ruin the slim possibility he'd get picked up by another team as a developmental player, making just above league minimum, his pro career was already over.

You really don't know anything about the guy, do you?

Kaepernick is an absolute hero. He used his platform and risked a hell of a lot (which he lost) to bring much needed awareness to an unforgivable social problem. He came up with a protest that was as respectful as it could possibly be and we all know the real reason he's been shredded for it.
Hero? For a publicity stunt that targeted people (military vets) who never deserved his disrespect in the first place? He's a half-wit who didn't even understand who he should have been protesting.

People should be replacing those confederate monuments with statues of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee.
AHAHAHAHAHA! That would make the nutty Regressives proud, wouldn't it?

Yes the real losers are the ignorant, privileged middle Americans who are massively inconvenienced by the two minute pose adopted by a few dozen guys before the start of an event they paid to see. Not the 12% of your population who live in a police state.
Police state? Man, you're entirely off, now. You drank ALL the kool-aid. If anything, it's the other way around, the police have entirely left the black communities, and now crime has gone through the roof. More blacks are killed by other blacks in a given week in Chicago alone, than are killed by police in an entire year throughout the country. Not that Kaepernick would know, he grew up in a wealthy family and would have lived a "life of privilege" even without the NFL.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
What if, stay with me here, they did both?
That's a great question. Want to bet the majority of the ones kneeling don't financially support any organizations to aid inner cities? They kneel to look like they have street cred, but won't give a cent to do anything about the situation.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Hero? For a publicity stunt that targeted people (military vets) who never deserved his disrespect in the first place? He's a half-wit who didn't even understand who he should have been protesting.
Targeted military vets? Now thats some BS there. And you wonder why we keep accusing you of getting your information from Infowars and the like.
I heard his explanation and it had nothing to do with veterans. Why would it?

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AHAHAHAHAHA! That would make the nutty Regressives proud, wouldn't it?
I suspect it would pop a few blood vessels.


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Police state? Man, you're entirely off, now. You drank ALL the kool-aid. If anything, it's the other way around, the police have entirely left the black communities, and now crime has gone through the roof. More blacks are killed by other blacks in a given week in Chicago alone, than are killed by police in an entire year throughout the country. Not that Kaepernick would know, he grew up in a wealthy family and would have lived a "life of privilege" even without the NFL.
I'd rather drink the Kool-aid that might result in things getting better for people than the ignorant racist crap you prefer to swig by the gallon.
More black people die of starvation in Africa than are shot by US cops too, doesn't mean that too damn many aren't still being shot. I'll can't wait to see how you completely misunderstand this point though, you've been doing so well with logical comparisons lately.

If the privileged Mr. Kaepernick wouldn't know, then why we would ever believe that you might? Every opinion you ever have is dripping with privilege.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Targeted military vets? Now thats some BS there. And you wonder why we keep accusing you of getting your information from Infowars and the like.
I heard his explanation and it had nothing to do with veterans. Why would it?
That's the point, duh? He stupidly thought he was kneeling over cops, but all he ended up doing was disrespecting veterans... who are the entire reason we stand for the anthem and present the flag in the first place. You are obsessed with Alex Jones though, maybe YOU should stop watching him? I'll bet you watch the guy just so you can get angry and yell at your screen, don't you? Don't you?

I suspect it would pop a few blood vessels.
No doubt, given he's done nothing but cause division and more racial tension.

I'd rather drink the Kool-aid that might result in things getting better for people than the ignorant racist crap you prefer to swig by the gallon.
You're the closest thing to a racist in this discussion, you live by the bigotry of low expectations. You have so much disrespect for blacks that you believe they can't help themselves.

More black people die of starvation in Africa than are shot by US cops too, doesn't mean that too damn many aren't still being shot. I'll can't wait to see how you completely misunderstand this point though, you've been doing so well with logical comparisons lately.
Funny, given that you don't understand logic, at all. Geez, man. By USAG investigation, 99% of police shootings involving blacks in the USA are entirely justified and are in self-defense. Now, that last 1% is completely regrettable, those officers need to be imprisoned, where we send the people they arrested. But that completely pales in comparison to what blacks do to each other on a daily basis, murdering one another by the dozens in this country on any given day. They represent 13% of the population, yet commit half the murders in the country. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...decoverviewpdf

If the privileged Mr. Kaepernick wouldn't know, then we would ever believe that you might?
Being financially privileged doesn't mean he's intelligent (and by his actions it's clear he's lacking there).

Every opinion you ever have is dripping with privilege.
What's your excuse, you just seem to be nothing more than a repository for Left-wing, Marxist propaganda.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
That's the point, duh? He stupidly thought he was kneeling over cops, but all he ended up doing was disrespecting veterans... who are the entire reason we stand for the anthem and present the flag in the first place. You are obsessed with Alex Jones though, maybe YOU should stop watching him? I'll bet you watch the guy just so you can get angry and yell at your screen, don't you? Don't you?
I'm pretty sure he knows a lot better than you what he does anything that he does. Ironic given how many times you've gone off on me for claiming to know what other people are thinking.
As for Jones, you stop quoting him, I'll stop noticing it.


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No doubt, given he's done nothing but cause division and more racial tension.
No, the people causing it are the ones reacting badly and disingenuously like you. All those folks pretending to be irritated that he's disrupting their sport, which he isn't or claiming he's being disrespectful which he isn't. What they really mean is they don't like the point he's making and they want him to shut up so they don't have to hear about it or do anything about it. Which means he's achieving his goal.


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You're the closest thing to a racist in this discussion, you live by the bigotry of low expectations. You have so much disrespect for blacks that you believe they can't help themselves.
You know that old bullying move where you someone grabs your arm and hits you with your own hand while asking "Why are you hitting yourself?" repeatedly?

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Funny, given that you don't understand logic, at all. Geez, man. By USAG investigation, 99% of police shootings involving blacks in the USA are entirely justified and are in self-defense. Now, that last 1% is completely regrettable, those officers need to be imprisoned, where we send the people they arrested.
Guessing by definition that 99% includes all the cops who are unbelievably found not guilty when they shoot people, so not really very helpful or enlightening.

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But that completely pales in comparison to what blacks do to each other on a daily basis, murdering one another by the dozens in this country on any given day. They represent 13% of the population, yet commit half the murders in the country. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...decoverviewpdf

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Being financially privileged doesn't mean he's intelligent (and by his actions it's clear he's lacking there).
He had a 4.0 GPA, I understand thats decent but you undermine his intelligence and assume that his presumably wealthy white adoptive parents mean that he never experienced any kind of prejudice growing up which just shows the depth of your despicable ignorance.


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What's your excuse, you just seem to be nothing more than a repository for Left-wing, Marxist propaganda.
Excuse for what? I'm not the one acting like a dick so I don't need an excuse.
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Oct 12, 2017, 08:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
What if, stay with me here, they did both?
Seams counter productive to insult the very people you're spending money to try and influence.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Congrats, that has nothing to with what I said.
You had a strawman.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
You had a strawman.
Elaborate.
     
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Elaborate.


This one's pretty elaborate.
     
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What?
     
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You had a strawman.
Actually since I didn't mention free speech, jobs or the NFL I'm pretty sure you're the one with the straw man.
     
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What?
It's a pun.
     
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It's a pun.
How ironic!
     
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Seams counter productive to insult the very people you're spending money to try and influence.
You'll have to diagram that for me, because I don't follow.
     
   
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