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Oct 8, 2017, 04:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
If God is not your source of moral authority, something/someone is.
I quick search shows the UK is not immune to abuse of students by teachers.
I never said it was, but again I'm not responsible for any part of it. If they want to hire me to do so something about it, I'm open to that until then its someone else's job.


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So you’re stealing TV?
You don't need a license for Netflix or Amazon Prime. I haven't turned my TV set even to use my AppleTV in absolutely ages.

Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Decades ago?
I'm referring to a specific batch of incidents involving the likes of Ted Heath and others from the late 70s and early 80s.

Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
The “entertainment industry” has it own issues. The casting couch has been a staple since the beginning. Weinstein is a good example. Roman Polanski is another. Polanski was convicted in absentia for giving quaaludes to a 14 year old, then sexually assaulting her. The sickest part is the tribute Hollywood gave him and pleading to allow him to return. Todd Bridges tells of the abuse he and othe child actors have been subjected to.
I'm equally surprised by the attitude to Polanski in some quarters. That said I consider there to be a significant difference between abuse that happens between a child and an adult who is put officially in a position of care and authority over that child and the abuse between an adult and child with no such connection. Not that either one is ok or anything, but one is worse that the other.
If the truth ever came out I suspect many members of the music industry could be had up on similar charges owing to activity with groupies on tour buses etc.

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At least the Church is doing something. The 14 year old report is about the world public schools.
I thought the church report said it was the fourteenth report giving an update on the charter to protect children.



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You don’t leave Peter because of Judas.
You might if you can't be sure which is which.


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You need to read the Dept of Ed report as well. It not only cover US schools, but Canadian and UK schools. The sad thing is many of the Superintendents of the world have not implemented the recommendations in the report.
From what I skimmed of it before the arguments given against some measures for child protection certainly didn't apply to UK schools. ID checks and personal privacy concerns wouldn't stop such measures here. Thats very much an American thing. Like I say, all teachers have to have Criminal Records Checks or they don't teach. Any kind of prior for inappropriate behaviour with minors and you don't teach either. No system is infallible of course but it sounds like your schools don't really have a system or if they do then moving to another state is adequate to get around it.

Lets go back a few steps here. I'm not in favour of any kind of pedophilia at all, nor people who cover it up or turn a blind eye and allow it to continue. I think we are all in agreement on that. I only brought it up because my simple statement that "religions aren't really that nice" was very strongly challenged to the point of ridicule. The RCC may or may not deserve forgiveness yet, it may take considerably longer for them to deserve trust again. People have to make up their own minds about that but I think its fair to say I've made my original case pretty well.
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Oct 8, 2017, 05:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
Oh for goodness sake. Please. Stop. Doing. This
Why don't you? Geez, you spun that horribly, didn't you?

According to The Local, Supreme Court President Thomas Philipp said that although the verdict was ‘watertight’ with regard to the serious sexual abuse of a juvenile, the written verdict on the second indictment, rape, cannot be sufficiently proved. According to the court, the initial trial should have ascertained whether the offender had thought that the victim agreed with the sexual act and whether he had the intention to act against the will of the boy.
According to the court, rape couldn't be proven, despite the fact the victim was only 11 years-old. What a farce.

ps reported.
Over what? Because you can't navigate the PWL without being triggered? Pull it together. Geez. They aren't going to infract me over that, you're only abusing the report system.
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Oct 8, 2017, 06:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
So now the bible doesn't relate to Christians? Wow. I've seen arguments fall apart before but just wow.
Yours fell apart entirely, it's been in tatters for a while now. The Old Testament isn't the law Christians uphold, if you don't understand that, you have no business discussing the religion, it's really that simple. Let me guess, you think Christians also offer burnt sacrifices and paint blood on their front doors during Passover, too?

I thought the clergy were god's representatives on Earth and the experts on his word. I guess I also thought that might qualify them for just enough attention from the big fella that he might help just a little bit when it came to them not raping the choirboys. Maybe he did and it would have been much much worse? Is that what you're saying
and you're still digging up crap from decades ago. What is it with you people? You can't stop talking about injustices that happened before you were born and you expect people to feel bad for things that they personally never did. It thought you were "progressive". What a sham your ideology is.

But, as I pointed out (and you left out) I don't use it to wrongfully abuse them, like you do.

They are responsible for every one they put back in reach of more kids.
Which doesn't happen anymore. Isn't it time for you to be "progressive" and move up to the current year? How about just the last decade?

I know you are but what am I? :roll eyes: Weak sauce.
Why are you even discussing this? You don't understand the subject (or religions in general), and have no motivation other than to tear down Catholics for violations a comparatively tiny number of priests committed more than a generation ago, and with no more frequency than any other profession. That's sad, maybe you should move on with your "progressive" self?

Did anyone even get excommunicated or demoted for this crime?
Why as me? Is your Google broken? Obviously they did. The real question is, are you this obsessed with teachers raping students in public schools? Because that occurs MUCH more frequently, especially now, when things like that matter most. We all know why you love digging through the past for this, however, you love to bathe in any kind of dirt against Christians, it's apparently like some kind of porn to you.
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Oct 8, 2017, 06:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Except I'm not dismissing it and the state is not my moral authority.
Aha, but it is TO YOU, and that's part of your problem.
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Oct 8, 2017, 09:47 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Yours fell apart entirely, it's been in tatters for a while now. The Old Testament isn't the law Christians uphold, if you don't understand that, you have no business discussing the religion, it's really that simple. Let me guess, you think Christians also offer burnt sacrifices and paint blood on their front doors during Passover, too?
I think they've always been rather selective as to which bits are important and which aren't.


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and you're still digging up crap from decades ago. What is it with you people? You can't stop talking about injustices that happened before you were born and you expect people to feel bad for things that they personally never did. It thought you were "progressive". What a sham your ideology is. :roll eyes:
You've lost track of the discussion. I said that religions weren't very nice and when you banned me from citing the crusades, I obliged by going with the pretty recent organised mass child rape and its covering up by supposedly holy men. I think thats not very nice. Two of you tried to dismiss it as sufficient evidence of my claim so I went to lengths to disagree with you because child rape is something that my moral authority (whatever it may be) is not cool with.

I suppose I could congratulate you for being so forgiving but it seems to me (and my moral authority) that theres potentially a fine line between being very very forgiving and not really giving a shit.

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But, as I pointed out (and you left out) I don't use it to wrongfully abuse them, like you do.
But as you also left out, they often claim to be worthy of holding to higher moral standards. I very often see the church and its followers claim that modern society would have no morals at all if it weren't for the church. This of course is bollocks, but if you are going to make such a claim, the least you can do is not protect and enable child rapists. And not be one obviously.

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Which doesn't happen anymore. Isn't it time for you to be "progressive" and move up to the current year? How about just the last decade?
This is simply naive. It was happening three decades ago. It was happening four and five decades ago. It was happening six, seven, eight, nine decades ago and long before that. Do you imagine that it somehow magically stopped a decade or two before they got caught?

Its fairly amazing you keep complaining that I would dare to reference back two decades while you're asserting I should respect your religious laws that are at least 2000 years overdue for an update.

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Why are you even discussing this? You don't understand the subject (or religions in general), and have no motivation other than to tear down Catholics for violations a comparatively tiny number of priests committed more than a generation ago, and with no more frequency than any other profession. That's sad, maybe you should move on with your "progressive" self?
OK, since you chew me out every time I put so much as a thought in anyone else's head, you don't get to tell me what my motivations or intentions are.
Organised child rape aside, The Catholics would actually have been my favourite of the big three religions. Islam is a mess you and I can almost certainly agree on, and it seems to me that a very significant amount of other Christian sects are highly problematic too. The Mormon's whole story is mad and they are very cultish. The JWs are also cultish and known to have some very rapey tendencies of their own. The WBC I don't even need to describe and there is a whole mess of others that are increasingly anti-science. There is also still a great deal of gay bashing and misogyny floating around in Protestant denominations. (Do they come under the banner of protestantism? Never been too sure of that.)
The Catholics meanwhile learned several centuries ago that arguing with science was not going to work (eventually). After that they became great contributors to scientific progress. Its tailed off a bit of late with some of the falsehoods they have spread in Africa regarding the efficacy of condoms in inhibiting HIV and I understand there are a few Catholic creationists around these days too, but overall their scientific record is probably the best. Having said that, the last big contribution I know of was the Big Bang theory and that was 50+ years ago so I guess I have to discount all that since I'm not supposed to mention anything thats even as much as two decades old hmm?
Ultimately, if we can all be assured that the kiddie-fiddling has really stopped, they are the least idealogically harmful of the big three religions, so your notion that I'm out to do nothing but tear them down is a bit overblown isn't it?

Unfortunately (for you), progress means the diminishment of religion. If you must keep it around to help your sense of community, then by all means keep the traditions (not the bad ones obviously) and the costumes and the songs and so on but just make it more personal and keep it out of politics and policy and stop arguing with science. Science is where progress really comes from now and anything that fights it, particularly with falsehoods and untruths is bad for progress and bad for humanity. Sorry about that but it is true.

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The real question is, are you this obsessed with teachers raping students in public schools? Because that occurs MUCH more frequently, especially now, when things like that matter most. We all know why you love digging through the past for this, however, you love to bathe in any kind of dirt against Christians, it's apparently like some kind of porn to you.
I'm not obsessed with the RCC scandal at all, its just that there are two of you trying to deflect from it which seems like you're trying to dismiss it. I'm doing such thing when it comes to other sex scandals but they aren't really pertinent to this discussion, you're just using them to deflect. I steered back to my original point above, theres no point rehashing it again. If you want to discuss what measures schools, churches, parents, governments or whoever should take to try to prevent as much child abuse as possible from going on then by all means start a new thread. If you just want to talk about who is against it and who isn't I can't imagine you'll find anyone who isn't.

I'll note though that this last paragraph really is a personal attack on me. I made a claim, you dismissed it out of hand. I offered evidence for my claim under your unreasonable restrictions no less and you and Chongo have tried to deflect from repeatedly by bringing up every other child sex scandal you can think of one of them several times over now and you're accusing me of obsessing and revelling in talking about it?
My claim was correct. You don't like it and I get that, but it was. Let it go, because I was sick of hearing about it many posts back.
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Oct 8, 2017, 09:48 PM
 
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Aha, but it is TO YOU, and that's part of your problem.
I'm pretty sure this is no different to the claim I just denied. Do you think you'll catch me out by simply repeating yourself?
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Oct 8, 2017, 10:21 PM
 
A quick comparison of jihad and the crusades.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I think they've always been rather selective as to which bits are important and which aren't.
Yeah, terribly selective... for 1800 years... That's right, we've known what is canonical for 1800 years. You acting like they frequently pick and choose what is accepted as law and what isn't is a blatant lie (again).

You've lost track of the discussion.
You've never been part of it, because you have no grasp of Theology or its precepts. You've always treated it like something to shit on.

I suppose I could congratulate you for being so forgiving but it seems to me (and my moral authority) that theres potentially a fine line between being very very forgiving and not really giving a shit.
That's pure ignorance. When I first joined the forum I was Catholicism's biggest opponent here (ask Chongo), but I've changed my views because they cleaned up their act. YOU, otoh, don't understand the issues involved nor the measures they've taken, so you absurdly keep banging your cymbals, like the wind-up toy Chongo (so astutely) posted earlier.

But as you also left out, they often claim to be worthy of holding to higher moral standards.

I very often see the church and its followers claim that modern society would have no morals at all if it weren't for the church. This of course is bollocks, but if you are going to make such a claim, the least you can do is not protect and enable child rapists. And not be one obviously.
NO they don't. Oh man, I needed a good chuckle right now. Post a citation where the clergy claims "to be worthy of holding to higher moral standards". I'll wait. You're still not understanding the difference between the Church and the clergy, because they're in NO WAY one in the same. This is why you can't talk about the subject effectively, you don't get key issues, and you won't get those key issues, I'm sorry to say, when you're blinded by anger and ignorance.

*a whole lot of grudge carrying*
Dude, just stahp. You're doing the equivalent of blaming children for the sins of their fathers, and it's patently absurd.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
I'm pretty sure this is no different to the claim I just denied. Do you think you'll catch me out by simply repeating yourself?
I don't need to "catch you out", you've not understood from the beginning.
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Oct 9, 2017, 11:10 AM
 
Yes it’s all so very historical

Good job. No one is still suffering and the church is ready to take responsibility then.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.tel...ing-child/amp/

There are other (guardian and Indipendant articles on this as well but I assume the Telegraph is a source you are less likely to launch an ad hominem attack on.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
I find monkeys in clothing highly entertaining.
Grapefruits are yellow on the outside.



If you aren't capable of discussing things sensibly then why even bother?
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Why don't you? Geez, you spun that horribly, didn't you?



According to the court, rape couldn't be proven, despite the fact the victim was only 11 years-old. What a farce.



Over what? Because you can't navigate the PWL without being triggered? .
it's easy to see when you learn a new word isn't it. You use it with all the fervour of a failing second year psychology student desperate to prove to their lecturer that they were awake in class. Sadly the ingestion of new words/knowledge seems to push old stuff out the other side such is the way that you let previous points, debates and facts wash over you. I imagine that "triggering" has now been lost to you and I'm slightly worried that in reading this it will get re learned, pushing more stuff out and ending up with you looping round and round. Luckily this is so similar to your usual posting style its' unlikely to be noticed.

Why I wonder did you take the time to link to the original article? And not only to link to it but modify the link display in order to paint an even more false idea of the actual case? Probably the same reason you were so delighted to post about the guy who was stabbed by Antifa, and to launch into unneeded speculation on the reading habits of the Texas shooter. It's because so SO want these things to be true, and hope that we can't google them as much as you don't want to.

I am perfectly entitled to call you put on you original post. You may disagree but what you aren't entitled to do is to say I am full of crap for doing it and then when I reply that you are full of crap for doing that, whine that I am launching an unprovoked personal attack. Talk about "triggering" . Hang on, I'll wait while you loop round again on that one. I hope nothing important dropped out the other end.

Although we both hold fundamentally different world views and, I do actually really enjoy reading your posts, I could go into a long list of qualities that I find you to be but I'm sure there would be enough of them to render me banned for a while. The list would end with the word interesting though.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Grapefruits are yellow on the outside.

If you aren't capable of discussing things sensibly then why even bother?
This is actually worthy of reporting, because it's nothing but pure incitement. I'm not going to though, simply because I don't believe you're capable of understanding why it is.

You get extra points for being the least sensible person here, too, breaking the irony meter in the process.

(More likely you're just running because you've lost this one so badly, however. Seriously, read a few good books on Theology and the foundation of the Church and canonical scripture (and WHY they're canonical), it would help you greatly.)
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it's easy to see when you learn a new word isn't it.

*Then you follow with a couple of paragraphs where you think you can diagnose an agenda that I don't actually have*
Since I used that word for the first time in late 2016, and I've only used it on this forum 5 times before, you have no basis for the comment. Then from there the rest of your ridiculous post just goes downhill. I somehow "modified a link"? You're waaaay off in left field hacking at weeds. WTF?
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This is actually worthy of reporting, because it's nothing but pure incitement. I'm not going to though, simply because I don't believe you're capable of understanding why it is.
Whatever you might think it is, its no different to what you did.


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You get extra points for being the least sensible person here, too, breaking the irony meter in the process.
I'm not the one throwing some pretty epic tantrums about other people's imaginary friend and his employees. How sensible is that?

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(More likely you're just running because you've lost this one so badly, however.
I won this point twice the second you couldn't let the most easily substantiated comment in history go unchallenged. Maybe three times when you factor in how similar it is to the way you're always laughing at people who rise to Trump's bait. The primary difference being that what I said was true and not just an inflammatory lie.

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Seriously, read a few good books on Theology and the foundation of the Church and canonical scripture (and WHY they're canonical), it would help you greatly.)
Help me what?
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Whatever you might think it is, its no different to what you did.
See? I told you so.

I'm not the one throwing some pretty epic tantrums about other people's imaginary friend and his employees. How sensible is that?
Please direct me to said "tantrum about other people's imaginary friend and his employees". If you can't stop insulting Christians, then don't say anything at all. What exactly is wrong with you? Did a priest run over your dog and flip you the bird?

I won this point twice the second you couldn't let the most easily substantiated comment in history go unchallenged. Maybe three times when you factor in how similar it is to the way you're always laughing at people who rise to Trump's bait. The primary difference being that what I said was true and not just an inflammatory lie.
You've never stopped lying and misrepresenting Christianity, it's part of your own misguided crusade around here.

Help me what?
Not be so outrageously ignorant regarding religion. If you're going to attempt to argue you might as well have a passing knowledge of what you're arguing about.
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See? I told you so.
'Course you did, sweetie.


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Please direct me to said "tantrum about other people's imaginary friend and his employees". If you can't stop insulting Christians, then don't say anything at all. What exactly is wrong with you? Did a priest run over your dog and flip you the bird?
You've been trying to defend the church against accusations of things they actually did for several pages now. Its one big tantrum because its an argument you could never win and you're probably annoyed with yourself for jumping in in the first place now.

I haven't insulted any Christians, I've insulted Christianity. Its an important distinction but A: I wouldn't expect you to understand and B: When snowflakes want to take offence, they're gonna go out of their way to take offence no matter the truth.

As for priests running over my dog, I could ask you the same question about several groups that you seem to enjoy consistently siding against attacking. No-one ever asks you to justify that (because we know you can't and that you'll deny it anyway) but for some reason I keep having to spell out why I'm not a fan of religion.


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You've never stopped lying and misrepresenting Christianity, it's part of your own misguided crusade around here.
Utter drivel. We have differing opinions about it. Mine is based on evidence. You're the only one who is biased because rejecting it now would be embarrassing after decades of wasting your time. If Christianity moves to political neutrality and starts paying taxes, promoting misogyny, homophobia, transphobia and other forms of discrimination and divisiveness, plus the science denialism, and continues to its efforts to not systematically rape children then I won't have a problem any more. Just like I don't really have a problem with Buddhism. So whether you like it or not, my position is one of objectivity. Yours is nothing like objective.


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Not be so outrageously ignorant regarding religion. If you're going to attempt to argue you might as well have a passing knowledge of what you're arguing about.
I know what organised religion is. I know what its for and how it operates enough to distrust and dislike most of it. Clergy are either complicit con men furthering a corrupt cause, or the most hapless victims of all. I can believe that once upon a time religion had an honest start. I genuinely think that science and religion were once the same thing: a human quest for truth. They diverged when humans realised they could exploit ignorance and superstition for power. You can see it with witch doctors in tribes that haven't changed in millennia. Half entrepreneur, half shameless con-man. They mix unique knowledge with an understanding of human weaknesses to gain influence and authority.

I will never understand how someone who thinks he needs a basement full of guns to fight his elected government can show such blind faith to an unelected body, with a history darker than almost any nation's government ever, who operate with less transparency, effectively outside of many laws and with no oversight whatsoever, even from god which we have established you are explicitly OK with. OK, you have corporate lobbying, but at least its out in the open where you can see it. Truly mindboggling.
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Don’t make me post memes as well
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This is a list of Catholic churchmen [1] throughout history who have made contributions to science. These churchmen-scientists include Nicolaus Copernicus, Gregor Mendel, Georges Lemaître, Albertus Magnus, Roger Bacon, Pierre Gassendi, Roger Joseph Boscovich, Marin Mersenne, Bernard Bolzano, Francesco Maria Grimaldi, Nicole Oresme, Jean Buridan, Robert Grosseteste, Christopher Clavius, Nicolas Steno, Athanasius Kircher, Giovanni Battista Riccioli, William of Ockham, and others listed below. The Catholic Church has also produced many lay scientists and mathematicians.

The Jesuits in particular have made numerous significant contributions to the development of science. For example, the Jesuits have dedicated significant study to earthquakes, and seismology has been described as "the Jesuit science."[2][3] The Jesuits have been described as "the single most important contributor to experimental physics in the seventeenth century."[4] According to Jonathan Wright in his book God's Soldiers, by the eighteenth century the Jesuits had "contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics and electricity. They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter’s surface, the Andromeda nebula and Saturn’s rings. They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey), the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon effected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light."[5]
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'Course you did, sweetie.
Sure did.

You've been trying to defend the church against accusations of things they actually did for several pages now. Its one big tantrum because its an argument you could never win and you're probably annoyed with yourself for jumping in in the first place now.

I haven't insulted any Christians, I've insulted Christianity. Its an important distinction but A: I wouldn't expect you to understand and B: When snowflakes want to take offence, they're gonna go out of their way to take offence no matter the truth.
"Actually did" before you were even born, you mean. Every time Christianity comes up you cry, it's as predictable as sunset. You'd think if someone were going to attempt to lambast it the way you do you'd actually crack open a book on the subject.

I won before you began, because you're clueless regarding key Theological points, and no matter how much anyone tries to educate you, you foolishly choose to remain in the dark.

As for priests running over my dog, I could ask you the same question about several groups that you seem to enjoy consistently siding against attacking. No-one ever asks you to justify that (because we know you can't and that you'll deny it anyway) but for some reason I keep having to spell out why I'm not a fan of religion.
I've given the reasons why I have distaste for certain groups, that you can't remember is on you, not me. However, I'll be generous and repeat myself if you want to know why I hold them in contempt. Name a group you believe I dislike.

Utter drivel. We have differing opinions about it. Mine is based on evidence.
Your own behavior is my evidence; by your own admission you believe the ends justify whatever means you use, and that's what makes discussions with you pointless.

I know what organised religion is.
Demonstrably and plainly untrue.

I will never understand how someone who thinks he needs a basement full of guns to fight his elected government can show such blind faith to an unelected body, with a history darker than almost any nation's government ever, who operate with less transparency, effectively outside of many laws and with no oversight whatsoever, even from god which we have established you are explicitly OK with. OK, you have corporate lobbying, but at least its out in the open where you can see it. Truly mindboggling.
What's "mind-boggling" is how you lied your way through that entire paragraph, several of them, really, without batting an eye. I believe you would, quite literally, do anything to push your beliefs and that makes them more dangerous than any taught within the Christian faith. At least they have a codified morality, established for centuries, while yours is whatever you can get by with to convince others that YOU know what's best for them.
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I believe his head would pop if he were to realize there would be no science, as we know it, without Christians.
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Sure did.
You don't even realise that you rendered this sub thread meaningless do you?


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"Actually did" before you were even born, you mean.
This makes no sense either.

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Every time Christianity comes up you cry, it's as predictable as sunset. You'd think if someone were going to attempt to lambast it the way you do you'd actually crack open a book on the subject.
Theres only one book that matters when it comes to Christianity, I'm surprised you don't understand this. Anything else is just some other dudes opinion and if it says what I expect you think it says, it probably means it was written by a Christian and is therefore totally lacking in objectivity and is worthless to those who are not.

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I won before you began, because you're clueless regarding key Theological points, and no matter how much anyone tries to educate you, you foolishly choose to remain in the dark.
You don't win against intelligent people when all you can do it keep referring to unspecified "Key theological points."
This is not any kind of attempt to educate me, its a paltry attempt to make you sound clever and me sound ignorant and its not going to fool anyone worth worrying about. The only key points in play are the ones you keep ignoring completely in favour of attacking me instead of my arguments because all you've ultimately got is "I know they've behaved appallingly for 2000 years but they say they've been good for the last ten so you're a meanie!"

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I've given the reasons why I have distaste for certain groups, that you can't remember is on you, not me. However, I'll be generous and repeat myself if you want to know why I hold them in contempt. Name a group you believe I dislike.
I don't need to hear more dishonest denials or retweets from Alex Jones that you inexplicably cite as fact no matter how many times people educate you to the contrary.

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Your own behavior is my evidence; by your own admission you believe the ends justify whatever means you use, and that's what makes discussions with you pointless.
My behaviour has no bearing on whether I'm right or not.


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Demonstrably and plainly untrue.
And yet, undemonstrated. Shockingly.


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What's "mind-boggling" is how you lied your way through that entire paragraph, several of them, really, without batting an eye. I believe you would, quite literally, do anything to push your beliefs and that makes them more dangerous than any taught within the Christian faith. At least they have a codified morality, established for centuries, while yours is whatever you can get by with to convince others that YOU know what's best for them.
You keep saying I'm lying but again theres no mention of specifics and not a shred of evidence to prove it. Stating my opinions with confidence on a quiet internet forum is not the same as pushing them, as evidenced by the fact that no-one here has ever changed their own stance based on anything I've said. It certainly doesn't amount to 'doing anything' to push them. Bit melodramatic on your part that one.
As for being dangerous, come back when I've invaded other countries, slaughtered millions, oppressed millions more, extorted whole nations, spread misinformation that has caused people to catch HIV, beaten, abused, molested and killed the children I was supposed to be raising and caring for for centuries, lied about it, enabled it to happen more, taken babies from their mothers against their will and sold them, I don't think I need to keep going with this list.
For the record its more a case of knowing some things that aren't best for people. Feeling guilty and ashamed of their bodies and their natural feelings and urges, choosing prayer over medical treatment, giving your money to a guy who lives in a private city full of art and gold and tells you that poverty is a virtue. None of these are best for you. Theres more of these too obviously.
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*more lies and distortions*
Ugh. You're done, I've shaken the dust from my shoes WRT you. Hopefully other people of faith here won't waste their time, either. See a therapist regarding your hatred of religion, it's not healthy.
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Since I used that word for the first time in late 2016, and I've only used it on this forum 5 times before, you have no basis for the comment. Then from there the rest of your ridiculous post just goes downhill. I somehow "modified a link"? You're waaaay off in left field hacking at weeds. WTF?
Good to see you working entirely literally there.
Shame you managed to gloss over he substantive point where you instigated the personal attack.

Which was sort of the point behind the rest of the post. There were a few pictures of guns posted on the forum subsequently and that probably overwrote that bit of memory in a pavlovian response to pictures of things that go bang.


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He's that unstable that I can so easily instigate a personal attack with no effort? Really?
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He's that unstable that I can so easily instigate a personal attack with no effort? Really?
er you were the one that got het up about personal attacks matey. You started it, "You're full of crap" was I believe your witty retort. then called me up for respond exactly in kind. I was frankly surprised you then decided that I was personally attacking you by using those words.I'm not the least bit bothered about the comment, If you hadnn't started your next post with a complaint about it the comment would have slid on by. I'm just hauling you up on your selective memory of the event as a point since its a recurring motif.

If you want to acknowledge that yes you did indeed start what only you then decided was a personal attack we can get on with bashing each other about other points.
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Ugh. You're done, I've shaken the dust from my shoes WRT you. Hopefully other people of faith here won't waste their time, either. See a therapist regarding your hatred of religion, it's not healthy.
Someone's got a new favourite phrase lately.

Hopefully other people of faith won't waste their time trying to refute my iron clad logical reasons for not being one of them. I certainly don't begrudge you trying, but you should have spotted that you were on shaky ground from the start and just let it go. Particularly in this instance. Making unsubstantiated claims and references then claiming victory is utterly disingenuous.
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er you were the one that got het up about personal attacks matey. You started it, "You're full of crap" was I believe your witty retort. then called me up for respond exactly in kind. I was frankly surprised you then decided that I was personally attacking you by using those words.I'm not the least bit bothered about the comment, If you hadnn't started your next post with a complaint about it the comment would have slid on by. I'm just hauling you up on your selective memory of the event as a point since its a recurring motif.

If you want to acknowledge that yes you did indeed start what only you then decided was a personal attack we can get on with bashing each other about other points.
It's a recurring motif that you and several others can't control your tempers and resort to personal attacks and name-calling, that's the "motif". If you had a real religion you wouldn't be so touchy regarding your politics. (It turns out that after 10s of 1000s of years of humans being religious, simply removing religion from their lives altogether leaves an emotional void, which they then try to fill with other things, like politics.)

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Someone's got a new favourite phrase lately.
You guys certainly do: "someone's got a new favourite phrase lately."

*even more ignorant nonsense*
I can recommend some books on Theology and Church history that might help you. If reading is too much for you, maybe I can track down a video or two?
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Some of you guys have been arguing on this forum against the same strangers for 17 years. That's quite amazing.

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Some of you guys have been arguing on this forum against the same strangers for 17 years. That's quite amazing.

You should mention it to your therapists.
I actually do.

I used to argue politics here when it was allowed in the "adult" lounge, but then stayed away until Katrina. So it's only really 12 years.
     
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I stayed away from the lounge entirely until I don't know when. I used to just give tech help for a number of years.
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I did that too!

I stumbled upon the forums when OS X was fresh enough it was hard to find anything which was compatible, and this was the best place to keep abreast.

Over the first couple years, I peeked in the lounge once or twice, and it seemed alien and mysterious. What hooked me was the drama of Monish outsourcing to Newsfactor.
     
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I did that too!

I stumbled upon the forums when OS X was fresh enough it was hard to find anything which was compatible, and this was the best place to keep abreast.

Over the first couple years, I peeked in the lounge once or twice, and it seemed alien and mysterious. What hooked me was the drama of Monish outsourcing to Newsfactor.
I don't even remember the first political thread I jumped into. I might look it up if I get bored enough some time.
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The problem with arguing free will as a defence for the omnipotence question is that an omnipotent god can allow a being to choose evil but then smite them, cripple them, or simply grass them up and have them apprehended by others before they commit it. He need only prevent the deed, not the choice. Should be easy for someone truly omnipotent.
Yet again, this would answer itself if you would bother taking the time to read about the subject. Your ignorance of religion, particularly Christianity, simply creates work for others, and given your propensity for throwing said work back into their face, it isn't worth doing.
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Yet again, this would answer itself if you would bother taking the time to read about the subject. Your ignorance of religion, particularly Christianity, simply creates work for others, and given your propensity for throwing said work back into their face, it isn't worth doing.
Right so I'm expected to research your arguments for you now before I take them apart?
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Right so I'm expected to research your arguments for you now before I take them apart?
No, silly. You could research the information yourself, making you more self-sufficient, and then you wouldn't need to aggravate others with your obvious, and tiresome, ignorance on the subject.
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No, silly. You could research the information yourself, making you more self-sufficient, and then you wouldn't need to aggravate others with your obvious, and tiresome, ignorance on the subject.
Trust me, your ignorance is every bit as obvious to me. I'd say probably more so, which is why I keep demonstrating its presence instead of your more religious approach of claiming me to be ignorant and expecting me and everyone else to take it on faith that the evidence is out there somewhere.
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Trust me, your ignorance is every bit as obvious to me.
Given how factually deficient you are on a daily basis, by your own admission you admit that you don't even know about the positions you're standing for, I can see where you'd be deluded.

I'd say probably more so, which is why I keep demonstrating its presence instead of your more religious approach of claiming me to be ignorant and expecting me and everyone else to take it on faith that the evidence is out there somewhere.
We call it Theology, it's a study that's been around for millennia, and there are, quite literally, 100s of 1000s of books on the subject. They even offer courses of study on it, shockingly enough, that millions have taken, even atheists. I suggest you avail yourself of those resources, rather than waste a Christian's time with your question trolling.
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Given how factually deficient you are on a daily basis, by your own admission you admit that you don't even know about the positions you're standing for, I can see where you'd be deluded.
It takes more than you just claiming I'm wrong for me to be wrong.



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We call it Theology, it's a study that's been around for millennia, and there are, quite literally, 100s of 1000s of books on the subject. They even offer courses of study on it, shockingly enough, that millions have taken, even atheists. I suggest you avail yourself of those resources, rather than waste a Christian's time with your question trolling.
Studying why and even how people believe the things they believe is fine. Doesn't change the fact that the notions most people have about god are illogical and impossible to justify. I read the article Chongo quoted above and it reads like Catholicism is basically an abusive relationship with an imaginary abuser. "Daddy knows best, he only hurts you for your own good." Not that I'd expect you to understand what an abusive relationship looks like. Most of them fall well under your definition of consensual.
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Sebastian Kurz is the leader of Austria's conservative party who won the elections yesterday. He became Austria's youngest foreign minister at age 28 and will likely be the youngest chancellor of Austria at age 31 (he was born in 1986). What else do you want to know?
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Do people confuse Germans for Austrians? Do Germans get all pissy about it the way Austrians do?
No, Germany is the big brother, it's mostly the Austrians who get a bit prickly, because many foreigners assume that Austria is in fact part of Germany. Only in Bavaria (which borders Austria) do you have a small rivalry between the two.

Oh, and being mistaken for a Canadian, that's a compliment in my book
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Oh, and being mistaken for a Canadian, that's a compliment in my book
I get 'mistaken' for being a Canadian all the time. I put it in quotes because I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the time it's just an attempt not to offend a potential, actual Canadian.

I'm pretty sure of this because about half the times it has happened, after identifying myself as an American, the questioner goes on to explain they always ask if someone is a Canadian first because they don't want to offend someone by accidentally identifying them as an American.

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