[mrtew]

Yeah I think this season is really good. Voodoo's posts about how bad it is make me realize that. Of course they're going to try everything. They are desperate and being hunted and clueless. They are not sitting comfortably in their livingrooms wondering what's going to happen. They are totally freaking out as to what to do and are starting to turn on eachother. Not to mention that they've been informed that there are more Cylons in their midst.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

That last episode was one of the best I have seen since Eye of Jupiter. Amazingly done.

I wonder what they are doing with Hera and 6. Remember in season 1 when Headsix told Baltar that the baby in the opera house was her and baltar's child and it will be with them soon? Baltar couldn't understand how it could be his child from someone in his head.

Perhaps they are getting back to explaining that now.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

If you're so convinced the show is trash, stop watching and especially stop posting in here. I *loved* this episode.

When you learn to read, comprehend and then post, you will have explained how your own suggestion is worthless.

Note: just because I quoted only one paragraph of your post doesn't mean the rest of it made any sense, quite the contrary.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by mrtew 

Yeah I think this season is really good. Voodoo's posts about how bad it is make me realize that. Of course they're going to try everything. They are desperate and being hunted and clueless. They are not sitting comfortably in their livingrooms wondering what's going to happen. They are totally freaking out as to what to do and are starting to turn on eachother. Not to mention that they've been informed that there are more Cylons in their midst.

That is certainly a 'glass half full' point of view. I can be sympathetic to that, it's just that I suspect the glass is in fact half full of trash.

Pacing is a mantra in moviemaking and while certainly less crucial in TV series, it is there. Excepting your Guiding Lights, your Bold and the Beautiful and your BSG. Has it ever occurred to you that more than half of your average BSG episode could and should have ended on the proverbial editing floor?

Sometimes movies are just so great and the acting so stunning that a director or producer just can't find it in himself to cut it. If only that were the case. There are very many bad actors in BSG and they get far too much screen-time.

BSG never manages to rise out of mediocracy and mostly it is the fault of editing (i.e. slow pace) and bad actors.. not to mention the plot which has fans defending it with guesswork. Well that's quality writing if ever I saw it. Oh no the other thing..

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Yeah, let's fit in finding Kara, sending the Demetrius off on a classified mission, finding a basestar, creating an alliance with the cylons, going back to the fleet, and then having the basestar jump away with half the viper squadron and the president in a single episode. Heck, we may even have room for a single line of dialog in that episode!

They've done it before, remember the "one year later..."? They cylons took over a whole planet in like 10 seconds

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Yeah I totally expected them to avoid the main plot for at least a few more episodes.

Also, here's an idea: let's go into this enemy base-ship and hook up their AI and hope nothing bad happens.. not the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they?

Had this been the first episode of season 4, I would have had some faith left in the series. This is trash. I don't mind watching it until the end, they tricked me through 3 pretty ok seasons, so I might as well. However, it's still trash.

Again: You seriously think the episodes now are less interesting on average than "33" or "Act of Contrition"? They're more ham-fisted than "Litmus"? I think you've just got your opinion still lingering from the end of last season and aren't able to see past it to realize what good TV we're getting these days.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Also, here's an idea: let's go into this enemy base-ship and hook up their AI and hope nothing bad happens.. not the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they?

Yeah, they should have expected that an AI whose jump capabilities had been disabled would be able to jump.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by voodoo 

When you learn to read, comprehend and then post, you will have explained how your own suggestion is worthless.

Note: just because I quoted only one paragraph of your post doesn't mean the rest of it made any sense, quite the contrary.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

That is certainly a 'glass half full' point of view. I can be sympathetic to that, it's just that I suspect the glass is in fact half full of trash.

Pacing is a mantra in moviemaking and while certainly less crucial in TV series, it is there. Excepting your Guiding Lights, your Bold and the Beautiful and your BSG. Has it ever occurred to you that more than half of your average BSG episode could and should have ended on the proverbial editing floor?

Sometimes movies are just so great and the acting so stunning that a director or producer just can't find it in himself to cut it. If only that were the case. There are very many bad actors in BSG and they get far too much screen-time.

BSG never manages to rise out of mediocracy and mostly it is the fault of editing (i.e. slow pace) and bad actors.. not to mention the plot which has fans defending it with guesswork. Well that's quality writing if ever I saw it. Oh no the other thing..

Seriously, why do you even watch the show?

[Mithras]

Okay, I'm trying not to read any of the recent posts. Where The Foo is Guess What's Coming To Dinner? Neither scifi.com nor Hulu have seen fit to post it today. Grrrr.

[Visnaut]

If we stop feeding the troll, he won't come back.

Anyway, last night's episode, for me, was the best since Exodus Part II, and Resurrection Ship Part I. Just the way things were set in motion was great. I totally didn't see Gina biting it.

And I'm more convinced than ever that Gaeta is the last cylon.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Fine, but like I said.. In star Trek it meant the future.

Ultimately, 'death' is the future.

[Don Pickett]

Holy crap. That was an episode and a half.

edit: Gaeta is now my pick for the final cylon.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Pacing is a mantra in moviemaking. . .

Nope. It's character, dialogue, plot, in that order. Pacing is an entirely different worry as can be seen by the radically different pacing of My Dinner with Andre and Blade Runner, two radically different movies with radically different pacing.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Visnaut 

I totally didn't see Gina biting it.

I'm not so sure she is dead as next weeks trailer shows a woman in sick bay with an oxygen mask on her face that looks just like her.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I'm not so sure she is dead as next weeks trailer shows a woman in sick bay with an oxygen mask on her face that looks just like her.

I didn't see that either. I hope she didn't die, as she's become a very interesting character. Also gives the writers the ability to explore forgiveness.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Yeah, they should have expected that an AI whose jump capabilities had been disabled would be able to jump when it was re-enabled.

Fixed and uh yes?

[Chuckit]

It wasn't the turning the AI off that disabled the ship's jump capabilities — they turned the Hybrid off because the Basestar's jump capabilities were down and needed to use the Raptor's jump drive.

[Visnaut]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I'm not so sure she is dead as next weeks trailer shows a woman in sick bay with an oxygen mask on her face that looks just like her.

Yep, I saw that too, but tried to forget it. The previews that Space runs up here in Canada for next week's episodes are way too spoiler-laden. You can figure out most of the episode just by watching them, which ruins the suspense that the show so carefully builds up. If it weren't for that preview, most people would have figured she had kicked the bucket.

I usually make it a habit to stop watching after the last bit, but last night my jaw was still hanging open from that ending. Brilliant stuff.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by Visnaut 

I usually make it a habit to stop watching after the last bit. . .

I do this to, but for different reasons: I want to be completely surprised by what I see week to week, which is why I read no BG websites, only post in or read this BG thread, and make sure I don't click on it until I've seen the latest episode.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

It wasn't the turning the AI off that disabled the ship's jump capabilities — they turned the Hybrid off because the Basestar's jump capabilities were down and needed to use the Raptor's jump drive.

I don't think they used to Raptor's drive. I think they used its nav system.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Don Pickett 

I don't think they used to Raptor's drive. I think they used its nav system.

Which could have repaired itself in the mean time also.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Again: You seriously think the episodes now are less interesting on average than "33" or "Act of Contrition"? They're more ham-fisted than "Litmus"? I think you've just got your opinion still lingering from the end of last season and aren't able to see past it to realize what good TV we're getting these days.

Well, BSG has definitely picked up since the beginning of this season, but I'd have to say that "33" is the best BSG episode ever.

EDIT:

Hmm... When did I become Clinically Insane?

EDIT AGAIN:

Ah. Here.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Hmm... When did I become Clinically Insane?

I'm guessing the HD-DVD thread

[Mithras]

Well, since NBC/SciFi were being louts, I found the episode via other means. I thought it was pretty darn good.

How many times has Sharon/Boomer/Athena shot someone point blank now?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

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[Sourbook]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

NBCU Maybe Producing BATTLESTAR GALACTICA TV-Movies This Summer?? -- Ain't It Cool News: The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news.

Quoted from: The Watcher - All TV, all the time | Chicago Tribune | Blog

And it’s important to note that these proposed films won't affect the finale of "Battlestar Galactica" in any way -- that series finale will still proceed as planned. The films would be about incidents in “Battlestar Galactica’s” past. They will not take place after the time frame of the series finale. And the stories in the proposed films will depend, at least in part, on what actors are available to work on them.

By the way, at this point, it’s not known when those last 10 episodes of "Battlestar" will air. Informed sources say that a decision on that won’t get made until mid-summer, so my guess is that Sci Fi won’t the final 10 episodes until 2009.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Mithras 

How many times has Sharon/Boomer/Athena shot someone point blank now?

I don't know, but I hear on the DVD they're going to have it so that Natalie shoots at her first and misses.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Sourbook 

Quoted from: The Watcher - All TV, all the time | Chicago Tribune | Blog

I like this quote from AICN better:

I’m guessing the plan being bandied about is to air the movies this autumn, before the final 10 episodes of the series finally hit NBC-Universal’s SciFi Channel.

Why the frak would they hold the episodes to 2009? Stupid TV networks...

[Lateralus]

The writer's strike delayed their production, supposedly.

[Chuckit]

What the heck? If Sci-Fi wanted the series to stretch out longer, why didn't they just greenlight more episodes? I can't believe it will take them a year to film 10 episodes.

Also Tahmoh Penikett (Helo) is going to be a major character in Joss Whedon's new show this fall, so it seems like either he isn't going to have anything important to do the rest of this season of Galactica or they're going to have to film those way far in advance for 2009.

[Cadaver]

If this has already been suggested, then I apologize, but has anyone thought about Starbuck's mother as being a cylon?

[Weyland-Yutani]

My prediction:

The 'last' 10 episodes will never be made, because people's attention span is hardly going to last until 2009 just to wait for ten more episodes.

They will instead make a mini-series out of the material for the episodes.

Why not end it like it began?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Lateralus 

The writer's strike delayed their production, supposedly.

Yeah but Moore is finishing up the finale right now. Under a normal schedule they would already be shooting the first of the episodes and they would be ready for the fall. Sci Fi is thinking about pushing it until 2009 for their own purposes, not because of the strike.

[ThinkInsane]

Not a bad episode, although I had to do a bit of guess work since I didn't watch last weeks. I don't think finding earth will be the series finale, I think it'll be in the mid-season finale and they will find deserted or destroyed. I think the unboxing of the Xenas will set the stage for the second half of the season with the revealing of the final five and the explanation of what the hell this whole thing has been about. And I would almost say it is too obvious, but I would have to put my money on Felix for the final skin job. I also noticed in the preview for next week Romo Lamkin will be returning and I don't think he's out of the realm of possibility either. Though I still think Doc Cottle is a strong underdog candidate though.

[reader50]

So how did Hera wander down into that situation? Or draw the Six? And have the whole thing metaphorically match the opera-house chase?

My answer: small children draw things they see. And go along if someone takes their hand. I think Invisible Six has been hanging around Hera a lot, while Baltar entertains Tori. Prophesies work a lot better when they have help along the way.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Also Tahmoh Penikett (Helo) is going to be a major character in Joss Whedon's new show this fall, so it seems like either he isn't going to have anything important to do the rest of this season of Galactica or they're going to have to film those way far in advance for 2009.

Just means Penikett will be working his ass off for a while.

[Luca Rescigno]

The scene where Athena flipped through Hera's coloring book was very reminiscent of the scene from The Shining where Jack's wife discovers what he's been writing the whole time. Pretty cool.

I dunno, I thought this was a pretty decent episode. Though I do think it's kind of silly how Hera has just been totally absent for the last year or so and finally they decide to put her in as though she's been there the whole time. I guess they needed time for the girl to grow up (or are they using a different girl?). But I didn't even know that Hera was with Sharon and Helo the whole time.

[Eug]

Major Kira did a pretty good dying woman I must say.

And I guess chemo in BSG-land rots the teeth.

[Chuckit]

Maybe she was a meth addict before she got cancer. Hard life, that one.

[JHromadka]

I really hope they do more with Lee. I've been really disappointed in his character ever since he became a member of the Quorum. Hopefully since the Baystar ship jumped he'll have to return as a pilot in a search for them. He just sucks as a politician.

[Luca Rescigno]

Originally Posted by JHromadka 

...Baystar ship...

That's basestar.

[Spliff]

Good episode but I could done without Gaeta turning into Tom Bombadil. Too much damn singing.

[scottiB]

I agree. Too reminiscent of Pippin's goofy solo in Return of the King. He can be the final Cylon for all I care if he shuts the frak up.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I still think it would be major lameo if Gaeta of all people is the final five. The lawyer would be much cooler.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Um, so why do the humans believe the claim that the 3s can identify the final 5? Why do they even entertain that story?

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Um, so why do the humans believe the claim that the 3s can identify the final 5? Why do they even entertain that story?

Probably cuz Ms. StandsWithAFist Roslin has been somehow believing that the cylons are involved in the destiny of the humans. She's even been dreaming about the opera house with Six, Boomer, and Hera in it.

[JoshuaZ]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Probably cuz Ms. StandsWithAFist Roslin has been somehow believing that the cylons are involved in the destiny of the humans. She's even been dreaming about the opera house with Six, Boomer, and Hera in it.

What do they turn into after sexy underwear models? My vote is for puppies.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Um, so why do the humans believe the claim that the 3s can identify the final 5? Why do they even entertain that story?

Probably because this isn't the first they have heard about the final 5. They first got wind of it in Eye of Jupiter.

[Uncle Skeleton]

But they have to believe that the 3s actually can identify them (and the other models can't), that the 3s aren't simply raving loons, that the 6s know this (somehow), and they're being honest about it. It's a much more contrived explanation than the resurrection hub, but they second-guessed the hub and took the rest at face value ("Its all pie in the sky, gentleman, until we know what's true;" the whole thing about the hub is "pie in the sky," but the 3s knowing the big secret isn't?)

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

The lawyer would be much cooler.

Man I hope it's Badger.