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Pendergast · Jul 3, 2006, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Why not just kill them if you think they might harm you? Why not just kill anyone? Why are you taking away the choice of people to kill indiscriminately?

What's with the death of a few civilians if it gives us a better world?

Freedom comes with its prices you know...

And don't tell me it is different than the deaths in other countries for the sake of Freedom; if youn are OK in accepting the death of civilians in Iraq "for the greater good", then abortion is the coherent choice.

If you disagree with abortion, so should you with the death of the sacred, "innocent civilian life".

If you are to get support from your religion, and that it has to be written in the Bible for you hability to think, then you are a brainless hypocrit, and truly, nothing more than a sheep.

lpkmckenna · Jul 3, 2006, 09:23 PM

What should happen to women who have illegal abortions? Watch this YouTube video where clueless "pro-life" picketers are asked this question.

See: What should happen to women who have abortions?

So I ask the pro-lifers: what punishment would you propose?

lpkmckenna · Jul 3, 2006, 09:36 PM

Even Chris Rock has an opinion!

EDIT: more abortion humor with Doug Stanhope

BRussell · Jul 3, 2006, 09:36 PM

In my view, aborting an unborn baby is wrong, because you don't know anything about the baby. Maybe it would grow up to be a really good baby - who knows?

Instead, abortion ought to be allowed only AFTER the baby is born. That way, you know if you like the baby or not. If it cries a lot or poops or pees all over the place, then get the abortion. Who could blame the parents then?

placebo1969 · Jul 3, 2006, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by greenG4

Well, they help out the girls who didn't plan on parenthood.

I guess "Unplanned Parenthood" would be better huh...

Exactly.

Chuckit · Jul 3, 2006, 10:22 PM

They help people escape unplanned parenthood. Hence, they are Planned Parenthood.

Railroader · Jul 3, 2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

No.

Yes.

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Come back to reality. Unprotected sex is not the only reason for unplanned pregnancy.

You're the one escaping reality and not allowing people to accept their responsibility. If you are alluding to rape, then that's another issue entirely.

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Having an abortion isn't evading responsibility. It's one of several ways to deal with it.

Yes it is. It is an action that is drastic and clears them of their lack of responsibility.

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Banning abortion won't make society more accountable. Treating fetuses as if they were morally equivalent to people is flagrantly irrational.

It will make individuals accountable for their actions. Fetuses are life.

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

I'm all for ABC-style teaching. But that has nothing to do with abortion legality.

You're the one who brought it up. Education will reduce the need for people to skirt their responsibilities of their bad decisions.

Railroader · Jul 3, 2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Pendergast

What's with the death of a few civilians if it gives us a better world?

WOW. Just... WOW.

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Freedom comes with its prices you know...

You don't get it do you?

Originally Posted by Pendergast

And don't tell me it is different than the deaths in other countries for the sake of Freedom; if youn are OK in accepting the death of civilians in Iraq "for the greater good", then abortion is the coherent choice.

I am not OK with it. Never said I was.

Originally Posted by Pendergast

If you disagree with abortion, so should you with the death of the sacred, "innocent civilian life".

See above.

Originally Posted by Pendergast

If you are to get support from your religion, and that it has to be written in the Bible for you hability to think, then you are a brainless hypocrit, and truly, nothing more than a sheep.

Huh? It's hard to reply to you when I have no idea what you're talking about. But, I'll try.

I am symbolically a sheep. Jesus is my shepherd. I'll follow His teaching. Not a "religion". How and I a hypocrite?

Railroader · Jul 3, 2006, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

So I ask the pro-lifers: what punishment would you propose?

The same as any murderer who committed his act in the first degree. But I do not support the states that have capital punishment. That is hypocritical.

Railroader · Jul 3, 2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by BRussell

In my view, aborting an unborn baby is wrong, because you don't know anything about the baby. Maybe it would grow up to be a really good baby - who knows?

Instead, abortion ought to be allowed only AFTER the baby is born. That way, you know if you like the baby or not. If it cries a lot or poops or pees all over the place, then get the abortion. Who could blame the parents then?

You'd be very welcome in Belgium and the Netherlands where that already kill born children they don't like.

I know you are baiting me and trolling. A usual. You are so predictable.

lpkmckenna · Jul 3, 2006, 10:43 PM

Time to clear up some myths:

Reasons for abortions
A study revealed that women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:

25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% Rape, Incest, Other

Source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2411798.html

Some much for the "godless horny teenagers" argument.

lpkmckenna · Jul 3, 2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

The same as any murderer who committed his act in the first degree.

Such a law would never get passed in the US, Europe, or Canada.

Railroader · Jul 3, 2006, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Some much for the "godless horny teenagers" argument.

HUH?!?! Are you making stuff up now?

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Time to clear up some myths:

Reasons for abortions
A study revealed that women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:

25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% Rape, Incest, Other

Source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2411798.html

This is very helpful. It looks like about 91.8% of abortions are due to lack of responsibility. EVERYONE who is intelligent should be immediately against those abortions. We'll discuss the other 8.2% when that is done.

Railroader · Jul 3, 2006, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Such a law would never get passed in the US, Europe, or Canada.

I am a dreamer sometimes, I know.

I'll be realistic. No jail time, but a $5,000 fine and community service, to be used to educate children on the risks of unprotected sex.

lpkmckenna · Jul 3, 2006, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I'll be realistic. No jail time, but a $5,000 fine and community service, to be used to educate children on the risks of unprotected sex.

Hey, while we're at it, why not a big scarlet "A" pinned to her clothes?

BRussell · Jul 3, 2006, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

You'd be very welcome in Belgium and the Netherlands where that already kill born children they don't like.

I know you are baiting me and trolling. A usual. You are so predictable.

You really need to lighten up and stop taking yourself so seriously. You'll live longer.

dcmacdaddy · Jul 4, 2006, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I say [life begins at] conception. No one knows for sure, but I am playing it safe. You can be reckless with human life, I'll play this part of my life conservatively.

Fine. You play it conservatively and don't try and interfere with others who don't want to play it conservatively. Deal?

Or, are you still going to insist on forcing others to play it conservatively even if they don't want to by pushing to outlaw abortion?

Railroader · Jul 4, 2006, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Fine. You play it conservatively and don't try and interfere with others who don't want to play it conservatively. Deal?

Or, are you still going to insist on forcing others to play it conservatively even if they don't want to by pushing to outlaw abortion?

Yes. Many laws are "forced" upon us. I have no problem "forcing" a law protecting human life.

Railroader · Jul 4, 2006, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by BRussell

You really need to lighten up and stop taking yourself so seriously. You'll live longer.

I am more concerned about unborn children. I think you need to take yourself more seriously. Have a little respect for yourself instead of making yourself look like a tasteless crude fool.

Railroader · Jul 4, 2006, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

Hey, while we're at it, why not a big scarlet "A" pinned to her clothes?

Ahhh.... I see, you are not going to take this matter seriously at all. And you probably wonder why you have so little respect around here. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

Chuckit · Jul 4, 2006, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Yes. Many laws are "forced" upon us. I have no problem "forcing" a law protecting human life.

You eat meat? From creatures with a far greater level of self-awareness than an early-stage fetus, perhaps? I'd be much more concerned about them than an unthinking, unfeeling mass of growing human cells.

stwain2003 · Jul 4, 2006, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by James L

It is nice to see that they are wrapping this up so they can move on to other progressive changes, like maybe the return of slavery, or the removal of a woman's right to vote.

Maybe they'll take away a murderer's right to murder also! Oh no!

Uncle Skeleton · Jul 4, 2006, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

I am more concerned about unborn children.

I don't get this. Doesn't all birth control destroy unborn children? Are you concerned about all the unborn children that never got past the stage of twinkle-in-their-fathers'-eye?

Likewise:

I say conception. No one knows for sure, but I am playing it safe.

How is that playing it safe? Aren't you cutting off all the poor defenseless sperm and eggs? How do you know the soul isn't granted at the stage when the ova are released, or when the sperm are ejaculated? I think your chosen "safe" line is entirely arbitrary on the continuum of the life cycle.

Chuckit · Jul 4, 2006, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton

I don't get this. Doesn't all birth control destroy unborn children? Are you concerned about all the unborn children that never got past the stage of twinkle-in-their-fathers'-eye?

Apparently it's only an unborn child when it has its full set of chromosomes.

Uncle Skeleton · Jul 4, 2006, 04:06 AM

I have a cell line at work that has a full human set of chromosomes. If Railroader finds that out is he going to try to charge me for murder every time I kill some of them?

lpkmckenna · Jul 4, 2006, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Ahhh.... I see, you are not going to take this matter seriously at all.

Wrong. I take this issue very seriously.

Originally Posted by Railroader

And you probably wonder why you have so little respect around here.

Wrong. I think I am respected by my fellow liberals and hated by you ultraconservatives.

Originally Posted by Railroader

You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

Wrong again. I'm arguing for something: women's liberty. And I'm arguing against something: religious absurdity.

Three strikes: you're out.

Kevin · Jul 4, 2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna

I think I am respected by my fellow liberals and hated by you ultraconservatives.

Actually would you like me to point out the many, many times a lefty has told you that you were using horrible arguments? Or that you were being trollish?

You sucked at arguing when you came to this forum, and you are still pulling the same tired tactics you were busted for then.

Nothing has change.

The pro abortion folks just can't base their arguments on rational thought.

You have to pretend something is totally different than what it actually is to make yourselves feel better about your choice of belief.

And I really don't think it's because you think it's right.

But because it's what "Your side" is for. So you are as well.