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imitchellg5 · Jan 25, 2011, 10:35 AM

From what I've heard, the DS3 is a great car to drive, and it certainly looks great IMO. I could care less about the name, nearly all automotive naming schemes are backwards (IE, 328i is 3.0L, CL63 is now a 5.5L twin-turbo V8) from the start.

PB2K · Jan 25, 2011, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Doc HM

Aha haha hahah ahahah

You are of course joking. .

Maybe you should've invested in some maintenance or driving lessons. peugeot has made great cars

I know thais because I was the CEO of PSA and the Chancellor of Germany for 10 years and I know they are great so don't try to convince me otherwise.

angelmb · Jan 25, 2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

From what I've heard, the DS3 is a great car to drive, and it certainly looks great IMO.

$27400 (DS3 THP 150) should be invested more wisely. Just saying.

imitchellg5 · Jan 25, 2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

$27400 (DS3 THP 150) should be invested more wisely. Just saying.

The DS3 THP 150 starts at £16,300, doesn't seem bad considering a Golf S with the base motor, a 105 hp 1.4 TSI, costs £18,385. Not sure why you are quoting USD for a car that will never be seen in Americaland.

angelmb · Jan 25, 2011, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

The DS3 THP 150 starts at £16,300

It sells for 20226€ in Spain.

doesn't seem bad considering a Golf S with the base motor, a 105 hp 1.4 TSI, costs £18,385.

Objection!!!! The Golf itself is overpriced enough.

Not sure why you are quoting USD for a car that will never be seen in Americaland.

To avoid a lack of courtesy on my part. Most readers are American citizens, aren't they?.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 25, 2011, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

Objection!!!! The Golf itself is overpriced enough.

I just spent ten days driving a current Golf VI rental. On snow and ice.

What an awesome car.

€28,000 is a shitload of money, but what an awesome car.

imitchellg5 · Jan 25, 2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

Objection!!!! The Golf itself is overpriced enough.

The Golf is pretty much the gold standard for compact cars. It goes without saying that Citroen had their eyes on the Golf when designing the DS3, even if one is more sportier than the other.

ajprice · Jan 25, 2011, 07:01 PM

DS3 is a size smaller than the Golf.

Doc HM · Jan 25, 2011, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by ajprice

DS3 is a size smaller than the Golf.

Hence the new DS4

Not really a step forward.

imitchellg5 · Jan 25, 2011, 07:15 PM

DS3 and the 3 door Golf are within 200 mm of each other...

Doc HM · Jan 25, 2011, 07:21 PM

However I most definitely would.

after the traditional citroen depreciation has worked its magic.

Used to have one of these:

£27,000 new. Paid £8,500 for it when it was 18 months old, sold it at three years old for £1700
Awesome car though.

imitchellg5 · Jan 25, 2011, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Doc HM

However I most definitely would.

Is that the car that Top Gear drove around outside a horse racing track to use a stable camera mount?

PB2K · Jan 25, 2011, 10:07 PM

I think Citroen is changing it's target audience

Fuel efficient Cars like the Citroen C1 / Peugeot 107 keep 75% of their value the first two years. Which makes them very popular over here. apart from : No road tax. a 27 litre a kilometre fuel consumption, and very low insurance price..

ghporter · Jan 25, 2011, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by PB2K

... a 27 litre a kilometre fuel consumption...

Are you sure that's "liters per kilometer" rather than "kilometers per litre?" Frankly 27 l/km is awful fuel consumption. On the other hand, 27 km/l is more than 63 miles per gallon-about 50% better than all the US hybrids are rated at...

Spheric Harlot · Jan 26, 2011, 02:38 AM

The Hummer H2 gets about 100 times that - 25L/100 km.

27L/km is about what a small tank gets, though tanks like the Leopard II are usually measured in liters per minute.

PB2K · Jan 26, 2011, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

The Hummer H2 gets about 100 times that - 25L/100 km.

27L/km is about what a small tank gets, though tanks like the Leopard II are usually measured in liters per minute.

I was wondering how they could be so popular with 27:1, turns out they are quite efficient with 1:27

angelmb · Jan 26, 2011, 03:59 PM

It goes without saying that Citroen had their eyes on the Golf when designing the DS3

I don't think I understand this. Should it be the mini instead of the vw?. I am not talking about demographics predictions.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 26, 2011, 04:07 PM

It's a platitude. I don't think *anybody* builds that class of car without taking a close look at the Golf, which is the king of "compacts" (it's been about a decade since the Golf was a compact car) in many respects.

is not · Jan 27, 2011, 01:40 PM

The 'king of compacts' is dull to drive

imitchellg5 · Jan 27, 2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by angelmb

I don't think I understand this. Should it be the mini instead of the vw?. I am not talking about demographics predictions.

The Mini would be a more appropriate class comparison, but the Mini isn't as universally palatable as the Golf and still has a while to go before approaching anything new Golf-quality in terms of workmanship and actually working properly.

parsley · Jan 27, 2011, 03:22 PM

Magazines are owned by publishing companies who are generally owned by another company. Corporations wishing to advertise hire an ad company who farms out ads for different spaces. Publishing companies will then take on the ad. There is absolutely no direct contact between editors and advertisers. The same goes for news sites or what have you.

You might realize you have missed the most obvious path.

It's a platitude. I don't think *anybody* builds that class of car without taking a close look at the Golf, which is the king of "compacts" (it's been about a decade since the Golf was a compact car) in many respects.

Platitude: an idea
(a) that is admitted to be true by everyone, and
(b) that is not true.

And… there are compact cars (C-segment) and there are subcompact cars (B-segment). Who would think that?.

The Mini would be a more appropriate class comparison, but the Mini isn't as universally palatable as the Golf and still has a while to go before approaching anything new Golf-quality in terms of workmanship and actually working properly.

Citroën eyed the Mini. It could be BMW eyed the Golf as I suspect most Mini drivers would be Golf drivers in a Mini-less world. Either that or they would be driving the 1-Series.

You babbling about the Golf as if it's the freaking standard of the world and the sole purpose of all mankind to own one. A song that reminds me of its founders and who was Porsche's partner in masterminding the people's car brand. Shiver me timbers.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 27, 2011, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by is not

The 'king of compacts' is dull to drive

I found it a rather awesome car.

But I realize that priorities may vary when there are children on board, rather than driving.

imitchellg5 · Jan 27, 2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by parsley

You might realize you have missed the most obvious path.

Whatever dude. Stay in the corner and get high on your own supply. But when I can open up a 2010 issue of Automobile Magazine and the first page is a CTS-V advert and the main feature of the magazine is an RS5 vs M3 vs CTS-V comparo and the CTS-V comes in last, it's pretty clear that, without any going any farther or understanding how publishing works, advertising has no effect on the decisions of editors. Plus the idea alone that editors go into a story knowing what advert is going to be sitting to the left is hilarious.

Citroën eyed the Mini. It could be BMW eyed the Golf as I suspect most Mini drivers would be Golf drivers in a Mini-less world. Either that or they would be driving the 1-Series.

You babbling about the Golf as if it's the freaking standard of the world and the sole purpose of all mankind to own one. A song that reminds me of its founders and who was Porsche's partner in masterminding the people's car brand. Shiver me timbers.

Boy you're obtuse. I know that Citroën certainly looked at the Mini. But Citroën doesn't have the luxury of BMW to be able to take a huge risk by putting out a car that is, let's face it, a little bit weird. Citroën can keep making quirky cars that very few people purchase in comparison with the Germans or they can go a little more mainstream and create something that's competitive with the car considered to be one of the best in the segment. It's like every sports sedan aims for the 3 series, every roadster aims for the MX-5, every lux SUV aims for the Range Rover.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 27, 2011, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by parsley

Platitude: an idea
(a) that is admitted to be true by everyone, and
(b) that is not true.

I dunno what you're doing, but (b) has never been an acceptable definition of the word.

platitude |ˈplatiˌt(y)oōd|
noun
a remark or statement, esp. one with a moral content, that has been used too often to be interesting or thoughtful : she began uttering liberal platitudes.
• the quality of being dull, ordinary, or trite : educators willing to violate the bounds of platitude.

is not · 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I found it a rather awesome car.

But I realize that priorities may vary when there are children on board, rather than driving.

A diesel Focus with autobox is more exciting.

Maybe the MK6 is for families

But not saying is a bad car. Is just it is too refined.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 27, 2011, 04:09 PM

Maybe you didn't get my gist:

When it's not the driver, but a four-year-old in the back seat getting giddy, an "exciting" drive is not a primary concern. Especially on solid ice.

is not · Jan 27, 2011, 04:29 PM

Yes I understood

But this, as many others Audis, (skodas, seat.. that are old VW bits) understeers more easily than a hooligan driving focusRS. I was just on the throttle on dry tarmac, but even at low speeds with rain it is very easy to understeer.

is not · Jan 27, 2011, 04:29 PM

And that with a four year old in the back seat is dangerous.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 27, 2011, 04:35 PM

ESP is pretty awesome, too.

Shaddim · Jan 27, 2011, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

It's a platitude. I don't think *anybody* builds that class of car without taking a close look at the Golf, which is the king of "compacts" (it's been about a decade since the Golf was a compact car) in many respects.

I think the Golf is a decent daily driver, it's a good car. Though I'd take the Mini over it and never look back. My wife just traded her Mini for a new JCW and it's just an amazing little car.

-Q- · 08:48 PM

The Peugeot RCZ really reminds me of a homeless man's Audi TT.

Spheric Harlot · Jan 27, 2011, 05:51 PM

Or rather, an updated version of it, PSA style?

Doc HM · Jan 27, 2011, 06:10 PM

Peugeot used to make quite elegant cars. The eclipse was the first production car with a powered roof.

and the 504cc is one of the all time beautiful cars

imitchellg5 · Jan 27, 2011, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by is not

A diesel Focus with autobox is more exciting.

Maybe the MK6 is for families

But not saying is a bad car. Is just it is too refined.

You're the person who takes out the back seat of his Honda and puts a straight pipe exhaust on it aren't you?

brassplayersrock² · Jan 27, 2011, 08:47 PM

No need for insults mitchell

imitchellg5 · Jan 27, 2011, 11:18 PM

That wasn't an insult. If it's your thing, cool. But some people (most) need a car that they can drive to work in the snow without spilling coffee in their crotch.

brassplayersrock² · Jan 28, 2011, 12:13 AM

I was talking about calling the person a Honda buyer.

imitchellg5 · Jan 28, 2011, 12:31 AM

Oh sick burn! You know what I drive!

Laminar · Jan 28, 2011, 02:26 AM

Gross. Break it up.

imitchellg5 · Jan 28, 2011, 02:40 AM

Avert your eyes!

brassplayersrock² · Jan 28, 2011, 02:40 AM

Oh, you know that you secretly like it.

The Final Dakar · Jan 28, 2011, 10:08 AM

is not · Jan 28, 2011, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

ESP is pretty awesome, too.

Invented by vw I suppose

imitchellg5 · Jan 28, 2011, 04:02 PM

It was invented by a supplier that VW uses along with nearly every other European automaker.

is not · Jan 28, 2011, 04:24 PM

Developed on the golf with vw then.

Because that debuted on the golf maybe

is not · Jan 28, 2011, 04:39 PM

On the other hand vw designed the beetle in house.

imitchellg5 · Jan 28, 2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by is not

Developed on the golf with vw then.

Because that debuted on the golf maybe

Uh, no it didn't. Mercedes first used it on the W140. What the crap is your problem? Or are you just trolling your own thread?

is not · Jan 28, 2011, 05:07 PM

Sorry but it was on the C140. The W140 and the R129 followed few months later.

parsley · Jan 28, 2011, 05:44 PM

the main feature of the magazine is an RS5 vs M3 vs CTS-V comparo and the CTS-V comes in last

Do you mean the Coupe?, cause the CTS sedan is way more car than a 3 Series.

"CTS-V comes in last…" when it comes to?, please elaborate.

I know that Citroën certainly looked at the Mini.

: relief :

Oh sick burn! You know what I drive!

Loves VW and drives Honda… what did America do to you?.

The Final Dakar · Jan 28, 2011, 05:45 PM

Make shitty cars?