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Originally posted by Zimphire:
It's scary to think there are people out there that don't think there is a "right" or "wrong"
It's scary to think dcolton, Zimphire and CreepingDeath (ghost_flash) are out there.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
They do it willingly, they do it happily. If you don't mind treating women as objects there's nothing wrong about it.
How are we treating them as objects, when they make themselves out to be perceived that way? Is there a double standard for when a woman takes pleasure in a man that way? Is the man guilty, or is he also a victim of "exploitation"? But whether or not if it's wrong, I at least believe it should be regulated with strict health guidelines to keep the participants free of STD's/pregnancy.
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Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
It's scary to think dcolton, Zimphire and CreepingDeath (ghost_flash) are out there.
Learn to offer your opinion without making personal attacks fanboy.
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Originally posted by demograph68:
How are we treating them as objects, when they make themselves out to be perceived that way? Is there a double standard for when a woman takes pleasure in a man that way? Is the man guilty, or is he also a victim of "exploitation"? But whether or not if it's wrong, I at least believe it should be regulated with strict health guidelines to keep the participants free of STD's/pregnancy.
You're using them entirely for your own pleasure, exactly as you would an object. Because an object is one-sided so to speak. Its all about you without regard for them. That is what rape is as well, when it jumps from doing this by proxy to in person.
I don't think many women watch male porn to be honest, but yeah its exactly the same. My point was that if you do not feel its right to treat women/men as objects viewing porn is wrong.
The one case of an STD was the only one I believe. The porn industry has a nearly perfect record with that kind of thing. Like one guy said: "We only shut it down (production) to shut the media up."
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Originally posted by macaddict0001:
ever heard of a pimp
Yes.
If you have a point please make it. Also use punctuation if you can... any punctuation at all.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Learn to offer your opinion without making personal attacks fanboy.
That's funny coming from you.
Of course if you knew right from wrong, you would refrain from trying to derail interesting threads.
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Originally posted by xenu:
That's funny coming from you.
Because I go around personally attacking people out of the blue that haven't said anything bad.
Of course if you knew right from wrong, you would refrain from trying to derail interesting threads.
I wasn't derailing it hot stuff.A fanboy was. And now you are.
I can't help it if the fanboys have to make a personal comments towards ever post I make.
They are obsessed. That is why they are fanboys. They have no self control.
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Someone finds this interesting?
Who the F*** is ghostflash? Space Ghost?
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Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Someone finds this interesting?
Who the F*** is ghostflash? Space Ghost?
Just ignore it. It's fanboy silliness. I remember when I was banned the same people would call ANYONE new "Zimphire"
It was quite amusing watching them them stumble over themselves.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Because I go around personally attacking people out of the blue that haven't said anything bad.
I wasn't derailing it hot stuff.A fanboy was. And now you are.
I can't help it if the fanboys have to make a personal comments towards ever post I make.
They are obsessed. That is why they are fanboys. They have no self control. [/B]
1. You seriously need to get over yourself,
2. Stop derailing threads, and
3 Abuse reported.
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Originally posted by xenu:
1. You seriously need to get over yourself,
2. Stop derailing threads, and
3 Abuse reported.
LAAAAWl you can't take part in a thread derailment and then report said derailment xenu.
I am betting Demon will say something like "You were part of it too, cut it out" to you.
Fact is, if a fanboy wouldn't have started, I'd have had no reason to reply. You can't expect to make a personal attack at someone in the middle of the thread and expect them NOT to respond. Right? Right.
So if you have anything else personal to say to me, pvt message me.
THX.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
LAAAAWl you can't take part in a thread derailment and then report said derailment xenu.
I am betting Demon will say something like "You were part of it too, cut it out" to you.
Fact is, if a fanboy wouldn't have started, I'd have had no reason to reply. You can't expect to make a personal attack at someone in the middle of the thread and expect them NOT to respond. Right? Right.
So if you have anything else personal to say to me, pvt message me.
THX.
Okay, so I can go kill someone and then say "Adam introduced sin into the world, it his fault not mine!"? Really, you're just as responsible as they are when you reply.
Jesus said to turn the other cheek. He said pour coals of kindness on them. He said to love them as yourself. I cannot recall him saying to respond in kind or, as is often the case with you, strike preemptively.
The way you act is an embarrassment to Christianity.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Learn to offer your opinion without making personal attacks fanboy.
That's right. All attacks should be so broad that they cannot be construed as "personal". Atomic Rooster, learn from Zimp's example. Attack everyone in general who talks like him ... but not him personally.
Originally posted by Zimphire:
It's scary to think there are people out there that don't think there is a "right" or "wrong"
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
Okay, so I can go kill someone and then say "Adam introduced sin into the world, it his fault not mine!"? Really, you're just as responsible as they are when you reply.
My point is, if they wouldn't even START none of the derailment would happen. In other words, if they would stop being fanboys, it wouldn't happen.
And this is yet ANOTHER post that should have been a private message.
The way you act is an embarrassment to Christianity.
Was that supposed to hurt? The way you act is an embarrassment to mankind.
HOW ABOUT THAT!111
Equally as silly
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
That's right. All attacks should be so broad that they cannot be construed as "personal". Atomic Rooster, learn from Zimp's example. Attack everyone in general who talks like him ... but not him personally.
That was an opinion. I was not singly attacking anyone personally. I have no idea who voted what.
That is NOT against the rules.
You guys seriously have no self control when it comes to me.
None.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
That was an opinion. I was not singly attacking anyone personally. I have no idea who voted what.
That is NOT against the rules.
I never said that you were attacking anyone personally or that you were doing anything against the rules. I simply suggested that Atomic Rooster follow your example and attack broadly rather than personally.
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I never said that you were attacking anyone personally or that you were doing anything against the rules. I simply suggested that Atomic Rooster follow your example and attack broadly rather than personally.
As long as it isn't personal, then it's not breaking the rules, and I wouldn't have said a word.
But I bet the fanboys can't do that.
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Once again Zimphire enters a topic, and there it goes.
His first post was a lock. His intentions were quite clear.
In later posts he became confrontational.
However, all is not lost, as this can be considered on topic, and educational.
After all, he knows that what he is doing is wrong, yet he does it. I guess the question is why do people do the wrong thing, even though they know it is wrong?
If there is an absolute right and wrong, would hackers create viruses, knowing the damage they cause?
Would people 'steal' music when, for example, Apple's music store makes it a simple process to buy that music?
There are no absolute rights or wrongs. Just 'civilised behaviour'. The definition depending on the civilisation.
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Originally posted by xenu:
Once again Zimphire enters a topic, and there it goes.
His first post was a lock. His intentions were quite clear.
In later posts he became confrontational.
And you are acting no better. Congratulations fanboy.
Stay on topic. If you have something you want to say to me PERSONALLY pvt message me.
THX
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
My point is, if they wouldn't even START none of the derailment would happen. In other words, if they would stop being fanboys, it wouldn't happen.
And this is yet ANOTHER post that should have been a private message.
Was that supposed to hurt? The way you act is an embarrassment to mankind.
HOW ABOUT THAT!111
Equally as silly [/B]
Thats about as valid as saying that if Adam hadn't have sinned you would have NEVER shot that guy. Doesn't justify it in the least and you know it.
I think people need to see this.
No, its supposed to wake you up to your childish, immature, and un-Christian behavior. But if want to just pass it off as "silly", fine. Every time anyone tries to show you how you're behaving you say EXACTLY the same thing. Fine, hide behind your one-liners, your childish justifications, and whatever other **** you want to shovel. You're going to have one hell of a time hiding from God though.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
Thats about as valid as saying that if Ada, hadn't have sinned you would have NEVER shot that guy. Doesn't justify it in the least and you know it.
I am NOT trying to justify anything. I am saying that I wouldn't have replied if the fanboys wouldn't have started. AND YOU ARE STILL KEEPING IT GOING. So yes, you are doing the SAME THING you are complaining to ME about.
No, its supposed to wake you up to your childish, immature, and un-Christian behavior. But if want to just pass it off as "silly", fine. Every time anyone tries to show you how you're behaving you say EXACTLY the same thing. Fine, hide behind your one-liners, your childish justifications, and whatever other **** you want to shovel. You're going to have one hell of a time hiding from God though.
I am not hiding through anyone. You need to get that log out of your eye before you start pointing out everyone's splinters.
I am not the most mature person in this forum.. but please..
Grow up.
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Originally posted by xenu:
Once again Zimphire enters a topic, and there it goes.
His first post was a lock. His intentions were quite clear.
In later posts he became confrontational.
However, all is not lost, as this can be considered on topic, and educational.
After all, he knows that what he is doing is wrong, yet he does it. I guess the question is why do people do the wrong thing, even though they know it is wrong?
If there is an absolute right and wrong, would hackers create viruses, knowing the damage they cause?
Would people 'steal' music when, for example, Apple's music store makes it a simple process to buy that music?
There are no absolute rights or wrongs. Just 'civilised behaviour'. The definition depending on the civilisation.
Because they will not, cannot, admit that they are wrong. They take it as personal defeat. So they have to justify it. Zimphire for example like to push it back on other people.
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*sigh* this has turned into another thread of the fanboys that can't stop making personal comments about me.
You'd think sooner or later they would come to grips with their obsession.
I am going to bed.
You fanboys obsess about me all you want.
And MAYBE I might send you a autographed picture.
MAYBE.
Don't get your fanboy hopes up.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
Because they will not, cannot, admit that they are wrong. They take it as personal defeat. So they have to justify it. Zimphire for example like to push it back on other people.
I guess ego has a lot to do with it.
But surely a mature person would realise the damage they are doing. Are there old hackers? What is the average age of the music downloader?
Is there a stage when we realise that doing the 'right' thing is easier than doing the 'wrong' thing? Not so much because of any absolute truth, but simply because we have 'grown up', or 'conformed'.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am NOT trying to justify anything. I am saying that I wouldn't have replied if the fanboys wouldn't have started. AND YOU ARE STILL KEEPING IT GOING. So yes, you are doing the SAME THING you are complaining to ME about.
I am not hiding through anyone. You need to get that log out of your eye before you start pointing out everyone's splinters.
I am not the most mature person in this forum.. but please..
Grow up. [/B]
You're trying to say that its okay for you to reply because THEY started it. If that isn't justifying then I have some dictionaries to burn. I never accused you of derailing this thread, I said you were trying to justifying it by saying they started it.
You would have a good point, presuming of course I was being a hypocrite. I believe though that the Bible says that it is my duty to show you the error of your ways, presuming of course I am not making the same error. None of us are perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't correct each other.
Another one-liner. No, this has to end here and now. You won't go to hell over this but it is a large step in the wrong direction and I can not live with myself and not do what I know the bible tells me to do.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
*sigh* this has turned into another thread of the fanboys that can't stop making personal comments about me.
You'd think sooner or later they would come to grips with their obsession.
I am going to bed.
You fanboys obsess about me all you want.
And MAYBE I might send you a autographed picture.
I believe that you may be the one who is obsessed. I could be RIGHT or I could be WRONG. I'm only guessing of course by the way you are insulting and attacking everyone.
Not a fanboy so please do not call me one. In fact I believe it may be a slur.
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Oh, and moderators, demons, etc, Please do not lock this thread. I know its gone quite a bit off topic.. but this needs to be done.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
*sigh* this has turned into another thread of the fanboys that can't stop making personal comments about me.
You'd think sooner or later they would come to grips with their obsession.
I am going to bed.
You fanboys obsess about me all you want.
And MAYBE I might send you a autographed picture.
MAYBE.
Don't get your fanboy hopes up.
And you say you're not hiding behind anything? 
If you can't be humble enough to listen when someone is trying to "edify" you then you should never have become a christian.
At least I will be praying that you come to your senses. Not that I expect that to mean much to you anymore. Seems you've lost a sense of everything it means to wear the name "Christian".
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How can you make decisions if there is no right or wrong?
And who the **** is ghostflash?
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Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
How can you make decisions if there is no right or wrong?
And who the **** is ghostflash?
I think you answered your own question 
One of the four or so most prominent christians on here.
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How did I do that?
I'm not even Christian! How can I be ghostflash or whoever he is?
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Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
How can you make decisions if there is no right or wrong?
And who the **** is ghostflash?
No one said there is no right or wrong.
Is there an absolute right or wrong?
Is it right to kill someone if you knew they would become a mass murdered? (I believe Stephen King wrote a story about that one. I think Sheen snr was in the movie.)
Some would say yes. Yet these same people wouldn't dream of killing their neighbours.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
And you say you're not hiding behind anything?
If you can't be humble enough to listen when someone is trying to "edify" you then you should never have become a christian.
Tulkas you are doing the EXACT same thing I am doing, and you are BELITTLING me for it, while acting superior. That is why I told you to get a grip.
You have an obsession with me. Get over it. I could care less what you think about me and Christianity. It is of no concern. Do you think Jesus would approve of your actions in here today? Of course not. Not that you'd probably give a hoot.
At least I will be praying that you come to your senses. Not that I expect that to mean much to you anymore. Seems you've lost a sense of everything it means to wear the name "Christian".
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Again, get a grip.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
Oh, and moderators, demons, etc, Please do not lock this thread. I know its gone quite a bit off topic.. but this needs to be done.
What needs to be done Tulkas? And who are you to think you are the person to do it?
Step off your high horse, and realize you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing.
It's humorous from where I am sitting.
I know you THINK you are "showing me". All you are doing is making my "fanboy" comments out to be true.
You can't help yourself. You are obsessed to the point where you don't even realize YOU are doing the EXACT same thing you are getting your panties in a knot about me doing.
You need to think about your own actions before you hit the "submit" button and stop being such a hypocrite. I understand you are all but 17, and still have a lot to learn about life, but that is no excuse for your actions.
I'll ask you again Tulkas. Would you please keep your gripes with me in private message and not derail the topic further?
Or do you plan on obsessing more over how you don't think I am a "good Christian" and further proving my fanboy point Mr Lord Of Darkness?
Your choice.
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Who is ghostflash? No one gave the answer I was looking for. Was he banned or something?
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Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Who is ghostflash? No one gave the answer I was looking for. Was he banned or something?
Ghostflash was a conservative that riled up a lot of liberals in here. He isn't banned, but he doesn't come around as often. Now the obsessed fan boys are paranoid and think ANY new person that shows up with conservative beliefs HAS to be ghost!
They pulled the same silliness on my vacation. I think they even said ghost_flash was really me! *snort*
So it comes back around full circle.
You'll probably be accused of being more people before the week has ended.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
You're using them entirely for your own pleasure, exactly as you would an object.
They already know this. They're aware of this and accept their role in it. Stating such makes no difference to them.
Its all about you without regard for them. That is what rape is as well, when it jumps from doing this by proxy to in person.
Not at all, because rape is to force oneself onto another against a persons will. Porn stars can hardly be considered rape victims.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
I think the thing here is the ultimate of morals: what you build all of your "what is right" answers on. Why is rape wrong, why is murder wrong, and where do you cross the lines.
Saying god does not exist is silly, because if he did there would be no way for us to know if he existed.
THat is ********. Do you believe that furry purple aliens exist???? If you say no, you are acknowledgingt heir existence.
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you are acknowledgingt heir existence.
He's what?
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voted for answer number 2 'cause it's teh truth�!
some things are just plain wrong (murder, rape, molestation etc.)
where does the line get drawn? i decide that for my life, and nobody else.
other than that it's "do what thou whilst" and survival, by any means necessary. 
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
And you say you're not hiding behind anything?
If you can't be humble enough to listen when someone is trying to "edify" you then you should never have become a christian.
At least I will be praying that you come to your senses. Not that I expect that to mean much to you anymore. Seems you've lost a sense of everything it means to wear the name "Christian".
At least there's proof that some Christians understand their faith.
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Originally posted by george68:
THat is ********. Do you believe that furry purple aliens exist???? If you say no, you are acknowledgingt heir existence.
If furry purple aliens were invisible and I said I believed in them you would have no way to prove otherwise. The best you could do is carry on with your own beliefs and roll your eyes when my back is turned.
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And of course I could say the world was created thirty seconds ago and you couldn't prove me wrong.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Tulkas you are doing the EXACT same thing I am doing, and you are BELITTLING me for it, while acting superior. That is why I told you to get a grip.
You have an obsession with me. Get over it. I could care less what you think about me and Christianity. It is of no concern. Do you think Jesus would approve of your actions in here today? Of course not. Not that you'd probably give a hoot.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Again, get a grip. [/B]
Yes, I must have forgotten the eleventh commandment: "Thou shalt not derail threads Zimphire hath already derailed."
I believe it was I who told you to get a grip because of your behavior and you were the one who tried to justify. Failing that you said it was silly. Failing to prove it was silly you screamed fan-boy, frankly this whole "fan-boy" thing is getting a little bit psychotic.
Hmm, but the Bible states that we are brothers in a very real sense. Would Jesus approve? James 5:19-20: "My brothers, if one of you wanders away from the truth and somebody brings him back, 20 you may be sure that whoever brings a sinner back from his wrong path will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
So your christianity is of no concern?
Again, trying to push it back on me.
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Originally posted by MacGorilla:
And of course I could say the world was created thirty seconds ago and you couldn't prove me wrong.
Actually I could, but thats beside the point.
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Originally posted by Tulkas:
Actually I could, but thats beside the point.
My posting was a reference to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy; that the Earth was a giant computer and our lives a giant computer simulation. 
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ladies, we've already been through this.
you make the incredulous claim, you have to prove it!
the elves told me that that's the way it works.
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Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
ladies, we've already been through this.
you make the incredulous claim, you have to prove it!
the elves told me that that's the way it works.
Damn those Keebler elves for their rugged good looks
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
What needs to be done Tulkas? And who are you to think you are the person to do it?
Step off your high horse, and realize you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing.
It's humorous from where I am sitting.
I know you THINK you are "showing me". All you are doing is making my "fanboy" comments out to be true.
You can't help yourself. You are obsessed to the point where you don't even realize YOU are doing the EXACT same thing you are getting your panties in a knot about me doing.
You need to think about your own actions before you hit the "submit" button and stop being such a hypocrite. I understand you are all but 17, and still have a lot to learn about life, but that is no excuse for your actions.
I'll ask you again Tulkas. Would you please keep your gripes with me in private message and not derail the topic further?
Or do you plan on obsessing more over how you don't think I am a "good Christian" and further proving my fanboy point Mr Lord Of Darkness?
Your choice.
The code that we both claim to live by gives me every right, even the obligation, to show you your error. I've watched you sliding for too long and ignored it. This isn't about accusations, this is about the un-christ-like behavior by someone who claims to be a christian.
Of course I must be imagining this! Your excuses are getting thinner than road kill, not to mention the smell.
If you can explain how I'm not acting like a christian I'll gladly listen.
I don't think that God really matters to you anymore. Its just all about you arguing. Its YOUR choice to act like a christian or not and you know it. You can either sacrifice everything you supposedly dedicated your life to or not.
This is a choice between right and wrong.
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God is the one and only, the creator of us all. Knows the beginning and the end.
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"Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense." Winston Churchill
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