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chris v · Apr 19, 2005, 10:27 AM

The press release.

Also announced are 5400 RPM 120 gb drives.

I want me one of these 7200's for Logic. Audio really suffers right now with the 4200. here's hoping the announcement-to-shipping lag isn't 6 months, like it's been with the Toshibas, that seem to have never materialized.

Randman · Apr 19, 2005, 10:28 AM

agentmouthwash · Apr 19, 2005, 11:56 AM

http://www.barefeats.com/ has a small blurp about how
they're going to test these drives and report the results soon.

PMDaly · Apr 19, 2005, 03:27 PM

I don't know a lot about drives, but here goes. Will the 7200 save battery life and be quieter than the 5400 since it uses less power and is faster?
-P

TailsToo · Apr 19, 2005, 11:46 PM

I would think that a 7200 would use more power since the drive operates faster, no?

PMDaly · Apr 19, 2005, 11:51 PM

Maybe, but wouldn't it be more power for a shorter time then? (when compared to a 5400)
-P

PS: what's Tails Too? looks like a photoshop screen...

agentmouthwash · Apr 20, 2005, 09:23 AM

I wonder how hot the 7200 runs when compared to the 5400. I currently have a 80gb 5400 drive,
but between garageband, loops, final cut pro, itunes songs .. my hard drive is getting smaller and smaller.
I'm not sure if I'm going to get the 120GB or 100GB. I guess it depends on how much faster the 7200 drive is. I can't wait for those benchmarks!

Doees anybody know when and where these drives are available?

chris v · Apr 20, 2005, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by agentmouthwash

Doees anybody know when and where these drives are available?

No news on that yet, but the first person to spot one for sale anywhere neds to post the link here stat. I'm hot to trot on this one.

Luca Rescigno · Apr 20, 2005, 04:56 PM

From what I've heard in the past, faster laptop hard drives don't significantly affect battery life or heat.

Originally Posted by PMDaly

PS: what's Tails Too? looks like a photoshop screen...

You are correct.

Link · Apr 20, 2005, 05:30 PM

Bout damn time, I hope apple doesn't wait a whole 9 months to stick them in the powerbooks though!

Superchicken · Apr 20, 2005, 07:14 PM

I want... that said by the time I pay for an upgraded HD I think it'll cost over 200 bucks... which is a bit more than I have to throw at my Mac right now... maybe later...

agentmouthwash · Apr 21, 2005, 08:51 AM

Idealy, I would love to get a hold of one of those drives next week
when I do a clean install of Tiger. Outlook doesn't look good.

agentmouthwash · Apr 27, 2005, 08:40 AM

Does anyone know where I would be able to buy a 2.5" Hard Drive for my Powerbook?
Any good site recommendations?

Blizzake · Apr 27, 2005, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by agentmouthwash

Does anyone know where I would be able to buy a 2.5" Hard Drive for my Powerbook?
Any good site recommendations?

i would buy from zipzoomfly

, fast cheap if not free shipping

60gb 7200rpm drive... i could of swore i got mine cheaper from them...

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=100519

80gb 5400rpm drive

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=100524

iDORK · Apr 30, 2005, 11:34 AM

www.newegg.com

Originally Posted by agentmouthwash

Does anyone know where I would be able to buy a 2.5" Hard Drive for my Powerbook?
Any good site recommendations?

macintologist · May 12, 2005, 11:42 AM

I'm liking it. also try www.pricewatch.com hat-tip olepigeon

Josh Reid · May 12, 2005, 12:19 PM

Just adding my vote for NewEgg.com I've purchased a few hard drives and ram sticks from them in the past, and have always been very satisfied with the product, ship-time, shipping costs, etc..

SEkker · May 12, 2005, 01:18 PM

Hitachi and Fujitsu are now in the game with 7200 rpm 100 GB HDs:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...051105X,00.asp

The Seagate drives are the only models that come with a 5 year warranty, however,

Kyros · May 12, 2005, 11:40 PM

I think I am more impressed with Seagate's 10k rpm notebook drives, though, although they have been out for a while. That's pretty crazy.

tooki · May 13, 2005, 12:48 AM

You mean the Savvio line? Those are NOT notebook drives. They are server drives, typically used in blade servers. (This stems from the fact that most 10K and faster RPM drives use 2.5"-size platters, regardless of whether the drive housing is 2.5 or 3.5".)

Note that the Savvio series does not exist in standard ATA, so essentially no notebooks can even connect to them, and the Savvio drives are 0.6" thick -- much thicker than the 3/8" of a notebook drive.

tooki

ASIMO · May 13, 2005, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by PMDaly

...

PS: what's Tails Too? ... ...

TitsToo was taken.

chris v · May 16, 2005, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by SEkker

Hitachi and Fujitsu are now in the game with 7200 rpm 100 GB HDs:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...051105X,00.asp

The Seagate drives are the only models that come with a 5 year warranty, however,

Hey, that article actually says "have begun shipping!" From whom can these be purchased? anybody seen one for sale yet?

iBabo · May 16, 2005, 01:24 PM

where can i get one from, neither OWC, nor New Egg seem to have them yet...

SEkker · May 18, 2005, 01:34 PM

Shipping this month:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...051705X,00.asp

Link · May 18, 2005, 04:42 PM

Looks like I'll be opening up my PB sooner than I thought! Hope we see benchmarks on that drive soon!

agentmouthwash · May 23, 2005, 02:13 PM

By any chance, anybody find out if and where I can buy one of these drives?

Cheetah223 · May 23, 2005, 05:07 PM

Well I've been trying to decide whether I should wait for a pbook or get one now. I think this is compelling reason to wait at least until the next rev.

Krusty · May 24, 2005, 01:05 AM

So ... good new options for the Mac mini as well

techyguy · May 25, 2005, 01:40 AM

Has anyone had any luck finding these new HDs for sale anywhere? I've had no luck thus far.

agentmouthwash · May 25, 2005, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by techyguy

Has anyone had any luck finding these new HDs for sale anywhere? I've had no luck thus far.

No and it's driving me crazy. I thought Apple was the only company that announced a product only to release it months later.

chris v · Jun 15, 2005, 06:08 PM

It's time for my monthly "where are these things?" post. this is getting out of hand. Hitachi "announced" in October. Seagate "announced" in April. Pleease.

asodamiac · Jun 18, 2005, 06:32 AM

wont the 7200rpm hd make a lot more noise than the 5400rpm hd? i have a 7200rpm hd in my pc, and i can notice the difference in sound (compared to a 5400rpm hd).

SEkker · Jun 18, 2005, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by asodamiac

wont the 7200rpm hd make a lot more noise than the 5400rpm hd? i have a 7200rpm hd in my pc, and i can notice the difference in sound (compared to a 5400rpm hd).

Don't know about the Seagate drives, but my IBM 60GB 7200 Travelstar was VERY quiet and cool.

asodamiac · Jun 18, 2005, 02:34 PM

i have a 160gb 7200rpm maxtor hd.. its pretty loud. i have a 200gb 7200rpm hd seagate in my xbox. i can still hear it while using my wireless controller about 10 feet away. maybe i have sensitive ears.

SEkker · Jun 18, 2005, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by asodamiac

i have a 160gb 7200rpm maxtor hd.. its pretty loud. i have a 200gb 7200rpm hd seagate in my xbox. i can still hear it while using my wireless controller about 10 feet away. maybe i have sensitive ears.

The 7200 rpm 3.5" HDs (especially Maxtor, in my experience) are VERY loud, annoyingly so is some cases. The laptop drives have not suffered from this disease -- yet.

asodamiac · Jun 18, 2005, 06:52 PM

hmm, thats good news. dont know if i want to switch out HDs yet. 100 gigs is good for now.. looking at external HDs though.

techyguy · 10:58 PM

Just doing the monthly, where the hell are these things, tickle on the thread. Anyone have any luck yet? I've been poking around, but I can't find any new news about these things. I'm really hurtin' here, i've only got about 900mb free on my stock, 80gb internal

.

*sigh* If only I weren't an audiophile and could put up with music being encoded at lower than 256....

edit: Well folks, at least on the Seagates we'll be waiting till the fall http://www.seagate.com/cda/newsinfo/...1,2169,00.html

Heres a British company that has the 80gb 7200rpm hitachis http://www.cclonline.com/product-inf...ategory_id=229

but no sign of the 100gb versions anywhere

agentmouthwash · Jul 6, 2005, 08:37 AM

Yeah this is pretty annoying.
With Final Cut Pro Suite, Ilife & all my garageband loops, I had to move
my itunes Library to an external HD which is so annoying.
I can no longer sit on my couch and browse through music - i need
to be at my desk now. Come on seagate, release these drives now!!!

SEkker · Jul 6, 2005, 09:58 AM

Unfortunately, this is the future -- the hard drive manufacturer's are really hitting a ceiling on manufacturing these new generation hard drives. Looks like the current density, as with the 3-4 GHz CPU speeds we see from all current CPU manufacturers, is going to stay for awhile.

My main concern is reliability -- just when will these companies decide to go with lower quality processes to achieve extra capacity and/or speed? From my perspective, a notebook computer is not the best place to expect 400 GB hard drives space right now. If you need that kind of space, buy an external FW hard drive (best is a FW800 drive) -- not only is that bigger, but it's also noticably faster than even 7200 rpm internal drives.

agentmouthwash · Jul 6, 2005, 01:21 PM

I might just buy what's already out there. Which one would you guys choose?
100.0GB Toshiba MK1032GAX 5400RPM 9.5MM SuperSlim Notebook Drive with LARGE 16MB Data buffer! New with 3yr Toshiba Warranty (TOSMK1032GAX

OR

100GB 2.5" Seagate Momentus 5400RPM ATA Notebook drive with 8MB Cache - New with 5 Year Seagate Warranty. (SEAST9100823A)

easyc · Jul 6, 2005, 02:31 PM

Is this it...
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...spx?edc=797347
It is a little pricey!

mrmister · Jul 6, 2005, 05:58 PM

that's the one--question is, do they actually have it in stock?

easyc · Jul 6, 2005, 06:13 PM

Here is again on another website...
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductD...ourceID=k15506
But I think both places don't really have it

hadocon · Jul 6, 2005, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by SEkker

Unfortunately, this is the future -- the hard drive manufacturer's are really hitting a ceiling on manufacturing these new generation hard drives. Looks like the current density, as with the 3-4 GHz CPU speeds we see from all current CPU manufacturers, is going to stay for awhile.

My main concern is reliability -- just when will these companies decide to go with lower quality processes to achieve extra capacity and/or speed? From my perspective, a notebook computer is not the best place to expect 400 GB hard drives space right now. If you need that kind of space, buy an external FW hard drive (best is a FW800 drive) -- not only is that bigger, but it's also noticably faster than even 7200 rpm internal drives.

Toatal, utter bu11sh!t.

"Perpendicular Recording" technology from Hitachi is this year's current breakthrough that will keep hard drive densities consistently outpacing More's Law.

tooki · Jul 6, 2005, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by SEkker

My main concern is reliability -- just when will these companies decide to go with lower quality processes to achieve extra capacity and/or speed?

If only you knew how modern drives work... They already use a system of practically guessing what's on the disk, yet miraculously it works. (See PRML.)

The tolerances in modern drives are also inconceivably tight: the heads in a drive float on a cushion of air thinner than a smoke particle, and yet head crashes are rare. (Of course, when Windows users say "my hard drive crashed and I had to reformat", they didn't have a head crash.) It's amazing that they can make hard disks as robust and reliable as they are, especially for the price.

Originally Posted by agentmouthwash

I might just buy what's already out there. Which one would you guys choose?
100.0GB Toshiba MK1032GAX 5400RPM 9.5MM SuperSlim Notebook Drive with LARGE 16MB Data buffer! New with 3yr Toshiba Warranty (TOSMK1032GAX

OR

100GB 2.5" Seagate Momentus 5400RPM ATA Notebook drive with 8MB Cache - New with 5 Year Seagate Warranty. (SEAST9100823A)

Unquestionably I'd go with the Seagate. Not only do the Toshiba drives tend to get a bit noisy (tinny whine sound) after a while -- harmless but irritating -- the cache size difference will have essentially no effect, while the Seagate's longer warranty tells you how much confidence the manufacturer has in its own product.

tooki

SEkker · Jul 6, 2005, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by hadocon

Toatal, utter bu11sh!t.

"Perpendicular Recording" technology from Hitachi is this year's current breakthrough that will keep hard drive densities consistently outpacing More's Law.

Ah, a true believer that science always finds a way around basic physical laws! As a scientist, I applaud your view. It is, however, not well supported by current technologies right now.

I happen to live in the land where half the read/write heads are made for all Seagate hard drives.

'Perpendicular technology' is something very promising, but it's NOT going to be in shipping products that we'd want to purchase (reliability, price) anytime soon. The distance between the read/write head and the platter on the demo units is 10 nanometers -- definitely precluding the use of such a mechanism in a notebook harddrive! Consider the timelag from the 'release' of 7200 rpm notebook hds, and their shipping time (or lack thereof) this year. Add a totally new technology, the lag is at least 3-5 times longer for product implementation.

The HD manufacturer's would LOVE to be wrong, but this is a real technological challenge without any obvious solution. Incremental updates for the next 3-5 years, I'm afraid.

hadocon · Jul 6, 2005, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by SEkker

Ah, a true believer that science always finds a way around basic physical laws! As a scientist, I applaud your view. It is, however, not well supported by current technologies right now.

I happen to live in the land where half the read/write heads are made for all Seagate hard drives.

'Perpendicular technology' is something very promising, but it's NOT going to be in shipping products that we'd want to purchase (reliability, price) anytime soon. The distance between the read/write head and the platter on the demo units is 10 nanometers -- definitely precluding the use of such a mechanism in a notebook harddrive! Consider the timelag from the 'release' of 7200 rpm notebook hds, and their shipping time (or lack thereof) this year. Add a totally new technology, the lag is at least 3-5 times longer for product implementation.

The HD manufacturer's would LOVE to be wrong, but this is a real technological challenge without any obvious solution. Incremental updates for the next 3-5 years, I'm afraid.

Yuo have someinteresting points. Perhaps you could back them up with some links?

SEkker · Jul 6, 2005, 11:50 PM

I'll start with this thread -- 3 months later, the 'released' product is still not shipping in any quantity.

The 10nm statement was prominent in a series of press releases concerning the use of perpendicular technology (I noted it, I am working with nanotech myself and I was surprised that this tiny distance was not noted by the journalists covering the technology).

Everything else is, I admit, my personal commentary extrapolating from what's going on in the hard drive industry.

agentmouthwash · Jul 12, 2005, 02:44 PM

hey guys,
Now Seagate announced a 5400rpm 160gb 2.5 drive! What happened to the 120gb they announed months ago??? http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06...gate/index.php

SEkker · Jul 12, 2005, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by agentmouthwash

hey guys,
Now Seagate announced a 5400rpm 160gb 2.5 drive! What happened to the 120gb they announed months ago??? http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06...gate/index.php

They put the 120 on the cheap steroids that are now available thanks to the (literally!) shrinking baseball market...

BTW, the press release says they will ship 'first quarter of next year' - my read, the first ones will be released Mar 31, 2006, and a few, select vendors will be able to offer them as BTO options; shipping in bulk may not be until the end of the summer (or this time next year). Assuming no new technical glitches get in the way.