[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

You're totally right. We are only a small-population, geographically massive socialist country politically lead by a Conservative leader who publicly advocates small government and fiscal responsibility, with arguably the greatest banking system in the world, which largely avoided much of the 2008 economic crisis and has the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio of any G country not named Germany, with a government that has been shrinking in size on a pro-rata basis for a couple decades now.
So I guess I should agree with you. It sounds like we're nothing like America, really. But on the other hand, we are neighbours to the largest economy in the world.....so we do indeed have a stake in what happens in your country, our largest trading partner. So too bad - shut up and listen, maybe.

Oh, so I should shut up and pay attention to someone who would presumably go to their neighbor's house, the neighbor who owns the neighborhood grocery store, and tell him how to spend his money, run his business and make love to his wife!?

Just because he lives next door and is a trading partner!

What a great neighbor you are...NOT!

You know, it's probably for the best that there are so damned few of you to inhabit such a large geographic area. That way you can wander around the Yukon and the seaways and etc. to your heart's content and not bother anyone. Otherwise you might be constantly in danger of running into booby traps your neighbors leave along the border to discourage your brand of neighborliness.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Oh, so I should shut up and pay attention to someone who would presumably go to their neighbor's house, the neighbor who owns the neighborhood grocery store, and tell him how to spend his money, run his business and make love to his wife!?
Just because he lives next door and is a trading partner!
What a great neighbor you are...NOT!
You know, it's probably for the best that there are so damned few of you to inhabit such a large geographic area. That way you can wander around the Yukon and the seaways and etc. to your heart's content and not bother anyone. Otherwise you might be constantly in danger of running into booby traps your neighbors leave along the border to discourage your brand of neighborliness.

Abe, let me just gently point out that since your most recent return you have alienated women and Canadians. You are not off to a very good start in showing us all the way and why we should vote for Romney, even leaving aside the fact that you still haven't provided anything concrete.

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

The question SHOULD have been, 'what makes us think a friggin community organizer can AT LEAST adequately handle the complex demands made on the President of the United States?'
And, in typical Liberal emotional knee-jerk fashion many here would answer, 'why WOULDN'T Obama be able to handle the job?'
To which I'd ask, 'then why HASN'T he handled it better than he has???'
Romney is the best qualified candidate for POTUS that some experienced leaders say they have ever seen.
He has PROVEN he can do the job.

Like you, I'm confused. What makes someone qualified to be a POTUS? Peanut Farmer? Actor? Whig? Oilman? General? Senator? Governor? Judge? Someone who pays less taxes perhaps? Someone who has run a business?

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Abe, let me just gently point out that since your most recent return you have alienated women and Canadians. You are not off to a very good start in showing us all the way and why we should vote for Romney, even leaving aside the fact that you still haven't provided anything concrete.

I've given up on the lot of you Liberal Obama fans.

Now, I do this to keep my brain exercised and the demons exorcised.

The hell with Canadians. And how have I alienated wimmins?

[andi*pandi]

Tsk tsk Abe, I'm sure you recall. Don't play innocent. You wouldn't want to make me angry. Certainly once I get emotional there's no telling what I could do!



More and more I'm convinced that Abe is actually a shill from some fringe group trying to get everyone turned off any candidate. He's certainly not representing Mitt very well. As a candidate I would expect my representatives to hold themselves to higher discourse.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

More and more I'm convinced that Abe is actually a shill from some fringe group trying to get everyone turned off any candidate. He's certainly not representing Mitt very well. As a candidate I would expect my representatives to hold themselves to higher discourse than namecalling and insult tactics.

I equate it more like a political evangelical. He wants to get the word out and what he believes in/is selling is republicanism.

It would also explain the way he tends to ignore posts and facts that disagree with his political religion.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Like you, I'm confused. What makes someone qualified to be a POTUS? Peanut Farmer? Actor? Whig? Oilman? General? Senator? Governor? Judge? Someone who pays less taxes perhaps? Someone who has run a business?

Ever hired someone for a job position?

I have.

You never really know when an adequate candidate is adequate for a job. You look at their C.V. judge their aptitude, personality and physical suitability then you make your best decision.

But there are some people, extraordinary candidates, who seldom escape an appropriate appraisal.

Mitt Romney is an example of the latter.

U No Hu is an example of the former.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

I equate it more like a political evangelical. He wants to get the word out and what he believes in/is selling is republicanism.
It would also explain the way he tends to ignore posts and facts that disagree with his political religion.

I told you I've thrown my hands up at the thought of trying to convince "y'all" of anything. I'm just trying to keep the cogs turning and the synapses burning.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

I told you I've thrown my hands up at the thought of trying to convince "y'all" of anything. I'm just trying to keep the cogs turning and the synapses burning.

I think threads like your Michelle Obama conspiracy thread have actually resulted in my losing some brain cells. Is that what you mean by "burning"?

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Tsk tsk Abe, I'm sure you recall. Don't play innocent. You wouldn't want to make me angry. Certainly once I get emotional there's no telling what I could do!

What are you referring to when you suggest I might be playing innocent? And what are you referring to when you say you are sure that I recall? Recall what? And how might I have incited you to anger? And, if your veiled warning is of some official sanction (infraction or ban) then it's best that I and everyone be made aware that they can't post with you the same way they'd post with an average rank and file poster.

I consciously bent my own rule with you, andi*pandi. I didn't keep any distance between us as posters. I treated you as an equal.

Was I mistaken in doing so?

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I think threads like your Michelle Obama conspiracy thread have actually resulted in my losing some brain cells. Is that what you mean by "burning"?

Only you see everything as a conspiracy theory. Maybe you are the one who is batshit crazy.

[The Final Dakar]

I just ran this post through my decoder ring. Here are the results:

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

I told you I've thrown my hands up at the thought of trying to convince "y'all" of anything

"Good luck getting me to answer those rebuttals I was only remotely acknowledging before"

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

I'm just trying to keep the cogs turning and the synapses burning.

"It won't stop me from continuing to post-whore, however."

[kimosABE]

Oh, and for the record, if anyone cares to notice, I have only responded in kind to unprovoked attacks from others.

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Ever hired someone for a job position?
I have.
You never really know when an adequate candidate is adequate for a job. You look at their C.V. judge their aptitude, personality and physical suitability then you make your best decision.
But there are some people, extraordinary candidates, who seldom escape an appropriate appraisal.
Mitt Romney is an example of the latter.
U No Hu is an example of the former.

Yes, several.

Does Romney have 4 years experience as POTUS? Obama does. What better qualification is there?

Physical suitability? Since when did that come into it? Bob Dole should never have run then? Washington had false teeth.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

I just ran this post through my decoder ring. Here are the results:
"Good luck getting me to answer those rebuttals I was only remotely acknowledging before"
"It won't stop me from continuing to post-whore, however."

Somebody doth protesteth too much. You love it and you can't fool anyone with your gruff talk and macho su-su-pseudo superior posing. You have a man crush on me.

But, you can prove I'm wrong by putting me on ignore.

Go ahead. Make my day.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Only you see everything as a conspiracy theory. Maybe you are the one who is batshit crazy.

Abe, if you really think that Michelle Obama at a 9/11 ceremony said "all of this for a damn flag", then the batshit crazy title goes to you. This statement doesn't even make sense, why should she say that in public even if it did make sense? She is not a Saturday morning cartoon villan.

What is it with you and these ridiculous conspiracy theories? On top of this, asserting that Snopes and whatever the other myth checking site was are in bed with Obama adds all kinds of additional batshit crazy on top.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Yes, several.
Does Romney have 4 years experience as POTUS? Obama does. What better qualification is there?
Physical suitability? Since when did that come into it? Bob Dole should never have run then? Washington had false teeth.

America took a look at McCain and many decided he didn't pass the physical test...they thought he was too old and might die in office.

And by your logic Jimmy Carter should have been re-elected because he had 4 years of experience and Ronald Reagan had none.

Remind me not to have you head up my HR department.

[subego]

McCain lost because he picked Sarah Palin. Age had nothing to do with it.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Abe, if you really think that Michelle Obama at a 9/11 ceremony said "all of this for a damn flag", then the batshit crazy title goes to you. This statement doesn't even make sense, why should she say that in public even if it did make sense? She is not a Saturday morning cartoon villan.

What is it with you and these ridiculous conspiracy theories? On top of this, asserting that Snopes and whatever the other myth checking site was are in bed with Obama adds all kinds of additional batshit crazy on top. 

I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT! I KNOW PEOPLE WITH ATTITUDES LIKE HERS AND IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON ATTITUDE WHERE I GREW UP.

You DO recall that I am Black. Right?

And YES the attitude of snobbish bitch transcends race, but you all seem unable to recognize it when you see it in Black people.

Why are you all so racist???

Or maybe that's where your political correctness kicks in.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by subego 

McCain lost because he picked Sarah Palin. Age had nothing to do with it.

Please re-read my statement then feel free to revise yours. Or not. Bottom line, I never said that's why he lost.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Somebody doth protesteth too much.

Wrong again. I've been up front:

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

No, actually I just want to see what steaming pile you manufacture. Shameless rubbernecking on my part.

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

You love it and you can't fool anyone with your gruff talk and macho su-su-pseudo superior posing. You have a man crush on me.

Once again, your logic is impeccable. I love your posts, which is why I was so interested in your ban evading when you reappeared. Let me put this logic in terms of republican fiscal policy for you: Abe bans are to Tax Cuts as Abe posts are to Increased Revenues. Hope it works out for you.

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

But, you can prove I'm wrong by putting me on ignore.
Go ahead. Make my day.

As I noted in the Feedback thread, putting you on ignore is completely useless.


BTW, I love that I've responded to you for one day in the past two weeks and now I'm being accused of being obsessed. Check out the old threads and take note. You'll see virtually all your posts responding to or aimed at me are ignored.

Good day.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT! I KNOW PEOPLE WITH ATTITUDES LIKE HERS AND IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON ATTITUDE WHERE I GREW UP.
You DO recall that I am Black. Right?
And YES the attitude of snobbish bitch transcends race, but you all seem unable to recognize it when you see it in Black people.
Why are you all so racist???
Or maybe that's where your political correctness kicks in.

and she couldn't restrain herself from saying this in public, despite the fact that she is around silly pomp and circumstance, fanfare, and tradition constantly? And Snopes and Obama are bed fellows.... Oh, and Obama's Mom is in on some grand conspiracy to elect a non-American citizen by not being American herself... Oh, and these aren't conspiracy theories.

RRrriiiiggghhhhhttt....

Why distance yourself from your affinity towards conspiracy theories? I guess there is nothing wrong with liking conspiracy theories. I like pie, you like conspiracy theories... No big deal.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

I equate it more like a political evangelical. He wants to get the word out and what he believes in/is selling is republicanism.
It would also explain the way he tends to ignore posts and facts that disagree with his political religion.

It is interesting that you would describe me in a way that almost perfectly describes Barack Obama's own political development.

Except for one crucial difference.

Barack Obama adopted his deceased father's political dreams, ideology and philosophy as a child without having the maturity of mind or emotions to rationally judge the merits of those dreams. And all throughout his life, if you believe his autobiography, he was never parented by anyone who told him or exemplified capitalism at work. To him the way to help poverty stricken people wasn't with a job, but with government handouts.

His father was an anti-colonialist Communist. His mother was a far left wing socialist. His mentor, Frank Marshall Davis was a card carrying Communist. His white grandparents were socialists. When he went to school he didn't join his fellow students and later, his fellow instructors, in the academic community's 'cauldron' to explore and exchange ideas and philosophies with others who might have softened his extremism.

He, instead, kept his childhood ideology pretty much intact. And since he's been in office he has ignored the opposition's points of view and he's even ignored the law when he felt he could get away with it.

It's not me you should be looking at with a critical eye. It's Obama.

Misplaced Liberal priorities at work and on display again!

[ironknee]

it was so bad 4 years ago, a republican president asked congress for a $700 billion bailout

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

It is interesting that you would describe me in a way that almost perfectly describes Barack Obama's own political development.
Except for one crucial difference.
Barack Obama adopted his deceased father's political dreams, ideology and philosophy as a child without having the maturity of mind or emotions to rationally judge the merits of those dreams. And all throughout his life, if you believe his autobiography, he was never parented by anyone who told him or exemplified capitalism at work. To him the way to help poverty stricken people wasn't with a job, but with government handouts.
His father was an anti-colonialist Communist. His mother was a far left wing socialist. His mentor, Frank Marshall Davis was a card carrying Communist. His white grandparents were socialists. When he went to school he didn't join his fellow students and later, his fellow instructors, in the academic community's 'cauldron' to explore and exchange ideas and philosophies with others who might have softened his extremism.
He, instead, kept his childhood ideology pretty much intact. And since he's been in office he has ignored the opposition's points of view and he's even ignored the law when he felt he could get away with it.
It's not me you should be looking at with a critical eye. It's Obama.
Misplaced Liberal priorities at work and on display again!

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that this (that anything in Obama's past reflects his current ideology) is unprovable speculation?

You know another word for unprovable speculation? I do... conspiracy!

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

What are you referring to when you suggest I might be playing innocent? And what are you referring to when you say you are sure that I recall? Recall what? And how might I have incited you to anger? And, if your veiled warning is of some official sanction (infraction or ban) then it's best that I and everyone be made aware that they can't post with you the same way they'd post with an average rank and file poster.
I consciously bent my own rule with you, andi*pandi. I didn't keep any distance between us as posters. I treated you as an equal.
Was I mistaken in doing so?

Abe, I was playfully referring to your repeated comparisons of Liberals to "emotional women", which is insulting on several levels. If you don't recall saying that, surely it is only because it is hard to keep track of all your posts in these many threads.

Also, is it really respectful to refer to the First Lady as a bitch? Would you refer to Nancy Reagan as such? This is one example of many unpleasant terms you bandy about.

I let a lot slide, a) because I am not an official Pol/War Mod, but b) also I'm practically the only woman in here and have to have thicker skin. The profanity filter isn't working but the "report post" button works for me just as well as anyone else.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Wrong again. I've been up front:
Once again, your logic is impeccable. I love your posts, which is why I was so interested in your ban evading when you reappeared. Let me put this logic in terms of republican fiscal policy for you: Abe bans are to Tax Cuts as Abe posts are to Increased Revenues. Hope it works out for you.
As I noted in the Feedback thread, putting you on ignore is completely useless.
BTW, I love that I've responded to you for one day in the past two weeks and now I'm being accused of being obsessed. Check out the old threads and take note. You'll see virtually all your posts responding to or aimed at me are ignored.
Good day.

Calling my posts a steaming pile of manure is nothing less than a personal attack. And it seems you are confused about the way 'ignoring' works. The practice of ignoring someone is NOT completely useless for the rational non-Liberal poster. They just ignore. Period. But that does not describe you. I know this because otherwise you'd not be here wasting my time. I guess that's the curse of Liberal man-crush-itis. You just can't help yourself.

Good day and good luck to you with that self-control problem.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Calling my posts a steaming pile of manure is nothing less than a personal attack. And it seems you are confused about the way 'ignoring' works. The practice of ignoring someone is NOT completely useless for the rational non-Liberal poster. They just ignore. Period. But that does not describe you. I know this because otherwise you'd not be here wasting my time. I guess that's the curse of Liberal man-crush-itis. You just can't help yourself.
Good day and good luck to you with that self-control problem.

He has a self-control problem? You say this after writing this post? Re-read it, and when you are done re-read it again if you feel like doubling down.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT! I KNOW PEOPLE WITH ATTITUDES LIKE HERS AND IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON ATTITUDE WHERE I GREW UP.
You DO recall that I am Black. Right?
And YES the attitude of snobbish bitch transcends race, but you all seem unable to recognize it when you see it in Black people.
Why are you all so racist???
Or maybe that's where your political correctness kicks in.

ABE, stop projecting.

You are a like a gay Republican who is outspoken against gays and then gets caught in public bathroom performing gay sex with another dude.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Calling my posts a steaming pile of manure is nothing less than a personal attack. And it seems you are confused about the way 'ignoring' works. The practice of ignoring someone is NOT completely useless for the rational non-Liberal poster. They just ignore. Period. But that does not describe you. I know this because otherwise you'd not be here wasting my time. I guess that's the curse of Liberal man-crush-itis. You just can't help yourself.
Good day and good luck to you with that self-control problem.

That Paul Ryan. What a stud.

[subego]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Also, is it really respectful to refer to the First Lady as a bitch?

I must of missed this.

Totally not cool.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Calling my posts a steaming pile of manure is nothing less than a personal attack.

Actually, I'd equate that to making an observation and stating a fact.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by subego 

I must of missed this.
Totally not cool.

I suggest using this handy page to keep track of Abe threads:

http://forums.macnn.com/tag/abee

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

Abe, I was playfully referring to your repeated comparisons of Liberals to "emotional women", which is insulting on several levels. If you don't recall saying that, surely it is only because it is hard to keep track of all your posts in these many threads.
Also, is it really respectful to refer to the First Lady as a bitch? Would you refer to Nancy Reagan as such? This is one example of many unpleasant terms you bandy about.
I let a lot slide, a) because I am not an official Pol/War Mod, but b) also I'm practically the only woman in here and have to have thicker skin. The profanity filter isn't working but the "report post" button works for me just as well as anyone else.

Biologically, women are HARD WIRED to be mothers. They NATURALLY have a maternal instinct. This gives them the necessary temperament to successfully raise children. They are SUPPOSED to be kind-hearted and emotionally driven. Their monthly cycles can drastically affect their moods. This means that from moment to moment, day to day, week to week, their mood might be changed, beyond their ability to control, for no logical reason.

No offense meant to women. Or to you. But it is what it is.

But Liberals seemingly are affected the same way as women... to be so impulsive and emotionally driven that they are unable to control themselves. And in truth, there should be no offense taken by Libs, if they are of a rational mind, because if the shoe doesn't fit (you must acquit). My comment is intended toward Libs as a way for them to see their reactions and behaviors and use that reflection to HOPEfully CHANGE.

As far as women are concerned, y'all can be treated equally to men (with equal rights and pay and opportunity and such) but we all know you are different from a man. And we like that difference, for the most part. So, there's only so much anger that my comments can generate on that score. Unless of course you become angry for no good reason.

And when the FIRST LADY says, "for the first time in my life I'm proud of my country" only after her husband is elected POTUS she doesn't deserve respect, in my book.

She wasn't proud of her country when the voting rights act was passed? She wasn't proud of her country when Jesse Jackson ran for president? She wasn't proud when man walked on the moon? She wasn't proud when the Soviet Union dissolved without a shot being fired? She wasn't proud of the U.S. when we stopped Saddam's aggression against Kuwait?

Nooooo, she was only proud when something good happened to her husband (and her) AND that it was something good that she could personally benefit from and in a racial context.

She is a racist, snobbish, America-hating, two-faceted bitch. A Black Marie Antoinette maybe?

I dunno, what would you call it, andi*pandi?

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa 

Actually, I'd equate that to making an observation and stating a fact.

Now, now, now...you don't see any Mods around here who think that way, do you? That is an inaccurate assessment on your part.

You are just letting your emotions get the best of you. I suggest you keep waiting for my reply to that great post of yours in the other thread, I think it was.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

That Paul Ryan. What a stud.

Finally! Someone has started to see the light!

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

ABE, stop projecting.
You are a like a gay Republican who is outspoken against gays and then gets caught in public bathroom performing gay sex with another dude.

You'd know better than I.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

And when the FIRST LADY says, "for the first time in my life I'm proud of my country" only after her husband is elected POTUS she doesn't deserve respect, in my book.
She wasn't proud of her country when the voting rights act was passed? She wasn't proud of her country when Jesse Jackson ran for president? She wasn't proud when man walked on the moon? She wasn't proud when the Soviet Union dissolved without a shot being fired? She wasn't proud of the U.S. when we stopped Saddam's aggression against Kuwait?
Nooooo, she was only proud when something good happened to her husband (and her) AND that it was something good that she could personally benefit from and in a racial context.
She is a racist, snobbish, America-hating, two-faceted bitch. A Black Marie Antoinette maybe?
I dunno, what would you call it, andi*pandi?

You don't seem proud that America finally has a first lady who is Black.

Republicans don't seem very proud that America passed the voting rights act. Republicans want to get rid of it.

Republicans don't seem very proud that America elected the first Black president. Their priority was to make Pres. Obama a one term president before he even took office.

Republicans don't seem very proud that Pres. Obama was able to kill Bin Laden when Pres. Bush wasn't able to. They would criticize Pres. Obama for taking credit.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

He has a self-control problem? You say this after writing this post? Re-read it, and when you are done re-read it again if you feel like doubling down.

We all know that you have been my biggest supporter here. And for that I am flattered. I've read it and re-read it and find nothing in the way of a personal attack or anything offensive. If my post describes him and that description is true, then it is a fact. If my description is not true then it is nothing for him to get upset about. And who is to say that being a rational non - Liberal is a bad thing or a good thing.

It just is or isn't applicable.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

Finally! Someone has started to see the light!

We get it.

You hate Black women and into White men.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

You don't seem proud that America finally has a first lady who is Black.
Republicans don't seem very proud that America passed the voting rights act. Republicans want to get rid of it.
Republicans don't seem very proud that America elected the first Black president. Their priority was to make Pres. Obama a one term president before he even took office.
Republicans don't seem very proud that Pres. Obama was able to kill Bin Laden when Pres. Bush wasn't able to. They would criticize Pres. Obama for taking credit.

You really don't get it' do you?

Here's an example for you.

Were you proud when Obama won the Nobel Prize?

Yes?

Why? Because he was Black? There have been Black Nobel winners before but you felt no special pride in them.

Were you proud that Obama won the Nobel because he is American?

Yes?

But there have been other American Nobel winners and you didn't feel any special amount of pride in them.

Well, maybe you were proud because he was our first Black POTUS and he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Yes?

Well, you are a racist.

Because Barack Obama did NOTHING to EARN the prize. It was given to him, in part, because of what he MIGHT do, and in part because of his charming personality and because he was YOUR TOKEN! You wanted a Black POTUS and the whole world rejoiced.

I'm not proud to have a Black president just because he's black. Hell, if that's all it took they could have given ME the honor instead of him!

AND YOU'D BE PROUD OF ME!

Right?

After all, Black is Black. ("I want my baby back..." for all you oldies fans)

No?

Oh, you'd only be proud of a Black POTUS who deserved it?

Okay. Well, Obama did not deserve it on the basis of his credentials because his credentials could not be completely scrutinized. He prevented their examination. He hid them and is STILL hiding them.

To many Americans his bid for the presidency was technically invalidated by his failure to present all necessary documentation regarding his history for reasonable scrutiny.

He was not qualified to be the President from the moment he took the oath.

Remember when many thought W was not the rightful president in the 2000 election vs Al Gore? I can understand how those people felt when, from day one, they opposed HIS presidency just like we have opposed Obama's unrightful RULE. (That's what Valerie Jarrett said when he took office, 'we're ready to "rule."' Only Monarchs and dictators rule. Presidents GOVERN. A Freudian slip to be sure.)

Finally, the Navy SEALS NEVER brag about their missions. It's not cool, for one. And more importantly, they never let info about their missions be disclosed for fear of giving the enemy info that might cost SEAL lives some day.

The Obama Administration bragged about the raid to make political gains for Obama. Not only not cool, but should be illegal.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

We get it.
You hate Black women and into White men.

Only a homophobe would use that as a personal attack like you have just done.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that this (that anything in Obama's past reflects his current ideology) is unprovable speculation?

You know another word for unprovable speculation? I do... conspiracy! 

When he wasn't fully vetted by the media and also failed to disclose all of his information about his past, it wasn't inconsequential, immaterial stuff he refused to disclose, like tax returns, it was important stuff and he is STILL getting away with not disclosing it because you Obama supporters want to ride bareback with him.

Even as he is perhaps irreversably endangering the 'health' of America.

[kimosABE]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

it was so bad 4 years ago, a republican president asked congress for a $700 billion bailout

And this President's administration doled out the funds.

So, where did it all go? Show me evidence of all that money going to some concrete and productive use.

How many shovel ready projects were completed that we can see? How many jobs?

Waste and spend and waste some more.

That can't be blamed on Bush.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

... the Navy SEALS NEVER brag about their missions. It's not cool, for one. And more importantly, they never let info about their missions be disclosed for fear of giving the enemy info that might cost SEAL lives some day.

You mean like what Fox News did and you were furious about until you suddenly got over it (presumably after you received the Team Abe memo to stop criticizing Fox), despite Fox not taking any accountability for their action? If you can so easily forgive Fox for practically giving Al Qaeda the home address of the Navy Seal in question and his family, can't you just say "serenity now" a few more times and forgive Obama for saying that the Navy Seal team took out Osama?

Should it *also* be illegal for news agencies, like Fox, to publish the names of Navy Seal members?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by kimosABE 

When he wasn't fully vetted by the media and also failed to disclose all of his information about his past,

Is there some sort of rule that Presidential candidates must be "fully vetted" by the media? Can you define what "fully vetted" means? If Obama wasn't fully vetted, presumably because you feel the MSM gave him a free pass, why do you think Fox gave him a free pass?

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

So, in other words, we should just let conservatives making accusations of FAILURE!!! without asking for any details backing up those accusations.

Fair. But, in this case, your issue is with Abe, who proposed this as a metric in his poll here (quoted below), saying that if you are not better off than four years ago that you should vote for Romney (and, by extension, suggesting that those who *are* better off should support Obama)

By all means, hold people to account for their accusations Wiskedjak, just please don't hold me accountable for their accusations.

Is the poll a "gotcha" question? Yes. By claiming that the economy is better off, you appear out of touch and by admitting it is worse; you're acknowledging the problematic economy. I generally try to avoid the emotional stuff and go right at the premise of the argument which in this case is the state of the economy. You should know republicans (especially very passionate ones) can't resist the question and I suspect an effective rebuttal might include more than, what do you expect Obama to do about ______?, especially in context of blaming the prior administration for the failures of yesterday and today.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I suggest using this handy page to keep track of Abe threads:

http://forums.macnn.com/tag/abee

[Charles Martin]

Rather than get political, I'll just answer the question literally.

In every measure except age, I'm substantially better off now than I was four years ago.

I also think that America is a LOT better off than they were four years ago, though I know that's a bit more "big picture" than it may be to some on an individual level. But I think that despite the lethargy of the economic recovery, the US as a whole is a lot better off now than four years ago.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

By all means, hold people to account for their accusations Wiskedjak, just please don't hold me accountable for their accusations.

Fair enough.