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Feb 2, 2007, 09:41 PM
 
We have all seen and read a lot of interviews that Gates has done since Vista came out. While this has been fun, if you haven't noticed, nobody gives him time to really talk about Vista. They put him on the defensive immediately and it always kind of snowballs from there.

I'm not defending him by any means and it is really pretty disappointing that the people doing the interview lobs the easy bomb but never do any follow ups or really push Gates.

What we are now seeing is complete frustration from Gates and the ensuing melt down. At least he is half civil. Ballmer would have probably killed someone by now....

The Get a Mac section on the Apple web site is probably getting some serious hits and reads. When Leopard hits the street...well this whole thing is getting very exciting. I really believe Apple does have something up their sleeves. They are sticking their chests out farther than ever.

Gotta love it.

BTW. Kudos on the new site design. Simply awesome.
     
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Feb 2, 2007, 09:47 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Someone mentioned that, within the past 12 years, there have been roughly 140,000 potential security holes in Windows.

That equated to 1 security hole every 45 minutes for the past 12 years.
If you can find that link, send it to Levy at Newsweek.
     
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Feb 2, 2007, 10:19 PM
 
I've started a war at the Ars Battlefront. It's amazing how misinformed some people are.
     
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Feb 2, 2007, 10:36 PM
 
Uhh...that site is just retarded. What did you expect?
     
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Feb 2, 2007, 11:30 PM
 
It would definitely seem that Billy has his tootsies in a wad.
     
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Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
I just wanted to point out I was the first one to reply with a correction.
Oops, my bad again.
     
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
I've started a war at the Ars Battlefront. It's amazing how misinformed some people are.
Man, that is a nasty can of fanboys.
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Feb 3, 2007, 01:56 AM
 
I'm sure Steve Jobs has said equally scathing things about Bill, Microsoft, and every product that company has ever released.

It's how big business works. I work at an engine company. Employees are always making jokes about how our biggest competitors suck for whatever reasons...no big shock there.

I do tend to agree that the new ads are misleading, oftentimes downright incorrect, and lean pretty heavily on the concept that PC users are boring, uncreative, unexciting, and social rejects. Not really a good idea to insult the people you're trying to draw in...
     
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Feb 3, 2007, 03:09 AM
 
I've read about 20% of the interview, and I have not seen one single truthful word out of Bill Gates mouth. I didn't know he was such a liar. I'm really disapointed. It's one thing to steal from Apple, and another to tell all those lies.
     
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Feb 3, 2007, 03:20 AM
 
Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
I do tend to agree that the new ads are misleading, oftentimes downright incorrect, and lean pretty heavily on the concept that PC users are boring, uncreative, unexciting, and social rejects. Not really a good idea to insult the people you're trying to draw in...
I don't see them as being that harsh in spirit. But they are obviously written more to entertain Mac users than anything.
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
I do tend to agree that the new ads are misleading, oftentimes downright incorrect, and lean pretty heavily on the concept that PC users are boring, uncreative, unexciting, and social rejects.
I don't see any of those things in the ads. I'm really curious 1) what is misleading about the ads, and 2) where on earth they say anything at all about users?

Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Not really a good idea to insult the people you're trying to draw in...
And I'm sure this bad idea has cost many an ad exec his job. After all, Apple has only shown record growth since the campaign started.
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Feb 3, 2007, 03:07 PM
 
Jobs makes inaccurate statements about Windows: Hero

Gates makes inaccurate statements about MacOS: Insecure



(posted from my new MacBook, not my recently upgraded-to-Vista PC)
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Jobs makes inaccurate statements about Windows: Hero

Gates makes inaccurate statements about MacOS: Insecure

That about sums it up.
     
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Feb 3, 2007, 04:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Jobs makes inaccurate statements about Windows: Hero

Gates makes inaccurate statements about MacOS: Insecure
I don't recall Steve Jobs being a defensive loser like Bill Gates was in his interview. Care to prove me wrong?
     
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Originally Posted by Adam Betts View Post
I don't recall Steve Jobs being a defensive loser like Bill Gates was in his interview. Care to prove me wrong?

as if Macs never go in for repair ...
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
http://images.apple.com/ca/getamac/images/indextop20070130.jpg
as if Macs never go in for repair ...
I think you're a little confused there. That's not defensive, that's attacking. Beside that is not even my point as it is not an interview with Steve Jobs.
     
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Feb 3, 2007, 08:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by Adam Betts View Post
I think you're a little confused there. That's not defensive, that's attacking. Beside that is not even my point as it is not an interview with Steve Jobs.
symantics. One could say Apple is attacking Windows because it is feeling insecure about Window's market dominance.
     
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Feb 3, 2007, 09:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post

as if Macs never go in for repair ...
BTW, the PC is going for a Vista upgrade there, not a repair. Just sayin.

And that is my favorite one of this series of ads. The end is funny (pun intended).
     
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
I do tend to agree that the new ads are misleading, oftentimes downright incorrect, and lean pretty heavily on the concept that PC users are boring, uncreative, unexciting, and social rejects. Not really a good idea to insult the people you're trying to draw in...
The characters in the ads represent the machines mac and pc (with windows) - not its users. The insult if any is thus to winpc's not their users.
     
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Feb 3, 2007, 10:28 PM
 
One of the PC character's prime complaints is that his users want to use him for music, movies, burning DVDs - this is the advert where he has all the stickers over him.

To restate- the PC users are trying to have fun - the computer is complaining.
     
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Originally Posted by Y3a View Post
Bill thinks that Longhorn(or whatever cheese they are naming it) is the same as OS X, and has been confused as to which OS has actually been taken over week afer week after week, after week, after week.
Sig a had a few years back ( I think 4 )

     
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Feb 4, 2007, 09:47 AM
 
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
Does anyone know if that's true? Did MS first have the file, edit, etc. menu bar?
http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html
     
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Feb 4, 2007, 10:05 AM
 
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Feb 4, 2007, 12:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by vmarks View Post
One of the PC character's prime complaints is that his users want to use him for music, movies, burning DVDs - this is the advert where he has all the stickers over him.

To restate- the PC users are trying to have fun - the computer is complaining.
Exactly. People I know that use a PC at home and at work think these ads are pretty funny. They somehow don't feel offended like some on these boards. Maybe they use computers only cuz they have to and then go on to other things. This is called getting a life.
     
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BTW, we know who copies who..



Crikey, even back then Steve liked those damned pinstripes.
     
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Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker View Post
What the Bob OS, Zune, Media centre, tablets, Origami, and IE aren't good enough for you?
IE was NCSA Mosaic, which predated Netscape and was bought up by Microsoft to be rebranded as Internet Explorer.
     
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Originally Posted by ::maroma:: View Post
No, he was talking about Xerox. They had that GUI interface before Apple and before MS stole it from Apple. Jobs saw it at Xerox, tried to get them to sell it to him, but ended up copying it. Its never been denied by Apple or Jobs. Gates falls back on that age old event as his defense mechanism for his constant and blatant ripoffs.
The funny thing is that the specific thing he mentions - the File and Edit menus - actually WERE developed at Apple (for the Lisa), and NOT bought from Xerox.

The PARC guys had icons and windows, but no pull-down menus.
     
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Feb 4, 2007, 09:06 PM
 
I guess Gates can do all the complaining about Mac OS he wants. Bad user reviews, press reviews, and user experience will soon flurish on the NET and once again show how fun Windows really is. Now all we have to do is wait for 10.5 to come out, and hopefully, [email protected] blow away VISTA to no end.
     
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Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker View Post
What the Bob OS, Zune, Media centre, tablets, Origami, and IE aren't good enough for you?
You forgot to mention WebTV, Ultimate TV (Tivo competitor) & those stupid smart watches Gates claimed everyone would be wearing a few years back.


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Originally Posted by analogika View Post
IE was NCSA Mosaic, which predated Netscape and was bought up by Microsoft to be rebranded as Internet Explorer.
Close, but no cigar:
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Internet Explorer was originally derived primarily from Spyglass Mosaic, an early commercial proprietary web browser. In 1996, Microsoft licensed Spyglass Mosaic from Spyglass for a quarterly fee plus a percentage of Microsoft's revenues for the software. Although bearing a name similar to NCSA Mosaic, which was the first widely used browser, Spyglass Mosaic was relatively unknown in its day and used the NCSA Mosaic source code only sparingly.

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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
I've started a war at the Ars Battlefront. It's amazing how misinformed some people are.
Man I just spent a lot of time reading that. Lots of clueless Windroids there.

I think Vista is going to have an even suckier launch than XP did.
     
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Originally Posted by zro View Post
I don't see them as being that harsh in spirit. But they are obviously written more to entertain Mac users than anything.
No, he knows Mac users know he is FOS. He was saying this to fool those that don't know either way. The Masses.
     
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Originally Posted by analogika View Post
IE was NCSA Mosaic, which predated Netscape and was bought up by Microsoft to be rebranded as Internet Explorer.
Wasn't it also called "Crashcart" during development?
     
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Only from my own experience, I have both a Mac OSX and PC (WinXP) both setup around the same time, in a fairly open University network. Both had passwords, but no firewall or anti-virus. In less than 2 minutes, the PC was hit with several worms and eventually rendered unusable. It had to be locked up tight with firewall, anti-virus and spyware detector. The Mac to this day (2 years now) still has no anti-virus, firewall still off and it has yet to be hacked or infected. To be fair, I will setup a new Vista system with the same level of security as the Mac and see how long it remains clean.
     
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Originally Posted by anthology123 View Post
Only from my own experience, I have both a Mac OSX and PC (WinXP) both setup around the same time, in a fairly open University network. Both had passwords, but no firewall or anti-virus. In less than 2 minutes, the PC was hit with several worms and eventually rendered unusable. It had to be locked up tight with firewall, anti-virus and spyware detector. The Mac to this day (2 years now) still has no anti-virus, firewall still off and it has yet to be hacked or infected. To be fair, I will setup a new Vista system with the same level of security as the Mac and see how long it remains clean.
I would really like to see the results of the Vista vs OS X experiment posted here. My experience in a University network is identical to yours with regard to XP vs OS X.
     
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Microsoft calls this security?

How will Billy G respond to this one?
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Microsoft calls this security?

How will Billy G respond to this one?
AHHH HA HA HA HA!!!



That's probably my favorite one now.
     
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Microsoft calls this security?

How will Billy G respond to this one?
Best. Ad. Ever. In all of history.
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Best. Ad. Ever. In all of history.
Hilarious... I can't stop watching it now. A sad realization indeed...
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Microsoft calls this security?

How will Billy G respond to this one?
Ahhahahahahahah. That is by far the best one yet.

"You are coming to a saaaad realization—cancel or allow?"

"Allow...."

BEST.
     
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Gates is an ass face.
     
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Gates is an ass face.
You are insulting gates. Cancel or allow?
     
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Originally Posted by MindFad View Post
Ahhahahahahahah. That is by far the best one yet.

"You are coming to a saaaad realization—cancel or allow?"

"Allow...."

BEST.
I guess they must have filmed that before Gates' interview, but it's like the perfect smack-in-the-face response. And they didn't even have to make up any statistics!
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http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/index.html

see today's joke. (unfortunately it's the index page so it'll change but too lazy to anything about it.)
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post

as if Macs never go in for repair ...
I prefer the Japanese PC. Really. Look at him.

アップル - Macをはじめよう

     
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That ad ing rocks.
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Jobs makes inaccurate statements about Windows: Hero
Uh, can you give me an example?
     
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Microsoft calls this security?

How will Billy G respond to this one?
This is the best one of all. It needs to win some "Best Commercial" award.
     
 
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