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daiSho · Apr 17, 2004, 01:17 PM

hi all... hope this isn't too OT for this fora, but i have a quick question; my younger cousin purchased a 12" PB a few weeks back from a local Apple store, and bought it w/ his EDU discount. w/ the rumours about new PB's coming out now, he is thinking about trying to sell his and buying one of the newer 15" models as he's found the 12" resolution to be a bit too low for his needs.

is it Ok for him to sell his 12" PB to someone, even though it was purchased on the EDU discount? he came asking me and i am clueless as to whether there are any restrictions on EDU purchases, like warranty transfer and the like... any clarification would be great, he's been racking up creditcard debt like theres no tomorrow since getting into college, poor kid..

murbot · Apr 17, 2004, 01:34 PM

I've done it, and I don't think there are any problems doing so. The only downside is the fact that he can't buy a NEW PowerBook with the same discount. It's good for only purchase a year per product (one PB, one iBook, etc).

Oneota · Apr 17, 2004, 03:05 PM

Sure, technically, the Edu discount is only good for one purchase/year. But I doubt it's too heavily enforced. Your cousin shouldn't have too much trouble buying another PB from the Educational store.

daiSho · Apr 17, 2004, 03:20 PM

thx friends, i'll let him know, both about being able to sell it and not to expect another discount for a year... one other thing, does he need to disclose to any potential buyer that the machine was purchased w/ the EDU discount, or would they never even hear about it from Apple if sending it in for warranty work? is the machine "flagged" in some way..?

bimmerphile · Apr 17, 2004, 03:50 PM

No, the machine wont be flagged, and if there is a problem he can tell teh truth: that the wants a new PB when they're released.

No problem there.

"cept he wont be able to use his EDU discount for a year.

CyberGreg · Apr 18, 2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by daiSho:
hi all... hope this isn't too OT for this fora, but i have a quick question; my younger cousin purchased a 12" PB a few weeks back from a local Apple store, and bought it w/ his EDU discount. w/ the rumours about new PB's coming out now, he is thinking about trying to sell his and buying one of the newer 15" models as he's found the 12" resolution to be a bit too low for his needs.

is it Ok for him to sell his 12" PB to someone, even though it was purchased on the EDU discount? he came asking me and i am clueless as to whether there are any restrictions on EDU purchases, like warranty transfer and the like... any clarification would be great, he's been racking up creditcard debt like theres no tomorrow since getting into college, poor kid..

This sounds a bit dubious.... you can not purchase anything Education from an Apple store, you must use the online Education store. I have made numerous Education purchases.

As far as a second Educational purchase, he really only has to wait until July 1st becasue that's when the "Education" purchase cycles around.

Mind you I have never tried purchasing anything Education from an Apple store, just remembering numerous posts about the topic. I "guess" Apple could have changed their mind but I doubt it.

Tell your friend, good luck and he should sell his PB on eBay before the new ones come out.

:-)

Phat Bastard · Apr 18, 2004, 01:11 PM

When I've purchased my Macs from my university's bookstore, I get the education discount and all they do is check my student card. They don't consult with Apple to make sure I've only bought one Mac in the past year, as has been described earlier (I doubt the employees even know about this "rule").

As far as I know, there are no markings to identify a PB as educational discount-purchased.

So if your cousin's school computer shop only makes sure he's a student, what is stopping him from selling the first PB and buying a new one in the same year he bought the first one?

tomfoolry · Apr 18, 2004, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by CyberGreg:
This sounds a bit dubious.... you can not purchase anything Education from an Apple store, you must use the online Education store. I have made numerous Education purchases.
:-)

Just a note here... I purchased my powerbook from the Apple store in San Jose and only had to show my student ID to get the discount.

tooki · Apr 18, 2004, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by CyberGreg:
This sounds a bit dubious.... you can not purchase anything Education from an Apple store, you must use the online Education store. I have made numerous Education purchases.

Nonsense.

You can buy Apple hardware with the educational discount from a) Apple online [no verification done AT ALL], b) Apple over the phone [no verification done AT ALL], c) Apple retail store [they Xerox your student ID], or d) from your school bookstore.

You can buy Apple software with the educational discount from any of the above except the Apple retail stores; for some reason they won't discount software.

tooki

vancenase · Apr 18, 2004, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
Nonsense.

You can buy Apple hardware with the educational discount from a) Apple online [no verification done AT ALL], b) Apple over the phone [no verification done AT ALL], c) Apple retail store [they Xerox your student ID], or d) from your school bookstore.

You can buy Apple software with the educational discount from any of the above except the Apple retail stores; for some reason they won't discount software.

tooki

i bought from an Apple store using c), and the didn't ask for my student ID (although i did bring in a quote from the online Apple Store EDU site)

MrForgetable · Apr 18, 2004, 08:09 PM

wait, so i can just show my student ID to my local Apple Store and get it at the same price as the Apple Store for education Online?

vcutag · Apr 18, 2004, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
Nonsense.

You can buy Apple hardware with the educational discount from a) Apple online [no verification done AT ALL], b) Apple over the phone [no verification done AT ALL], c) Apple retail store [they Xerox your student ID], or d) from your school bookstore.

You can buy Apple software with the educational discount from any of the above except the Apple retail stores; for some reason they won't discount software.

tooki

The way it was explained to me at the Apple Store here when I bought my 15" was that the EDU discount only applied to "Apple Branded Hardware" in the retail store, but anything sold by Apple on the online store. I'm not sure how it would work at my university book store, I didn't even bother with them.

Tomster · Apr 18, 2004, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by MrForgetable:
wait, so i can just show my student ID to my local Apple Store and get it at the same price as the Apple Store for education Online?

Yes, you get the educational price on hardware, but not software. Not sure why that is though.

Alex00087 · Apr 19, 2004, 03:48 AM

Are the education discounts the same at the Apple Store and college bookstores? Im confused.

MrForgetable · Apr 19, 2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Tomster:
Yes, you get the educational price on hardware, but not software. Not sure why that is though.

and this is only if i am a student at a university, correct? not eligible for students in the K-12 system ?

vcutag · Apr 19, 2004, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by MrForgetable:
and this is only if i am a student at a university, correct? not eligible for students in the K-12 system ?

Incorrect. They have K-12 discounts as well. Check the Online education store (the link's at the bottom right of the main page) and go through the steps.

Cadaver · Apr 19, 2004, 09:50 PM

Are the education discounts the same at the Apple Store and college bookstores? Im confused.

Always first check with your school bookstore, as sometimes Apple makes special deals directly with Universities. However, barring special deals, the Apple Online Edu prices on hardware are the same as Apple (brick and mortar) Store Edu prices and school bookstore prices on hardware.

Incorrect. They have K-12 discounts as well. Check the Online education store (the link's at the bottom right of the main page) and go through the steps.

No, incorrect. K-12 faculty OR higher ed students + faculty. There are no discounts for 5th grade students.... There are home-school discounts, but there's a bunch of paperwork to supply to Apple.

You can buy Apple software with the educational discount from any of the above except the Apple retail stores; for some reason they won't discount software.

The software is not discounted because often the Edu editions have a different box, different license or different SKU numbers. Too much for the Apple Stores to stock, I'm told. For example, the Edu version of Adobe Photoshop has a different splash screen on launch, has a different license in the package, and the box has an Educational Version label on it.

K107 · Apr 19, 2004, 09:53 PM

how do they veritfy that you are a student if you buy it online?

MrForgetable · Apr 19, 2004, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by K107:
how do they veritfy that you are a student if you buy it online?

exactly, how do they know i didn't just make up that i was a professor at stanford or a student at harvard or just a make-believe teacher at a k-12 school ?

Tomster · Apr 19, 2004, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by K107:
how do they veritfy that you are a student if you buy it online?

They do not. The only time I ever had to give proof was for the educational discount at an Apple store. Thank goodness I had an old faculty id tag in my car. Total impulse buy.

As for online purchases, I have never been asked for any verification.

Eyenovation · Apr 19, 2004, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Sure, technically, the Edu discount is only good for one purchase/year. But I doubt it's too heavily enforced. Your cousin shouldn't have too much trouble buying another PB from the Educational store.

Buy them at Apple retail stores. No one ever knows the wiser.

tooki · Apr 20, 2004, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by vcutag:
The way it was explained to me at the Apple Store here when I bought my 15" was that the EDU discount only applied to "Apple Branded Hardware" in the retail store, but anything sold by Apple on the online store. I'm not sure how it would work at my university book store, I didn't even bother with them.

The online discount is for any Apple product. Very few third-party products offer educational discounts through Apple. Most non-Apple software can be purchased at discount from education software specialists such as JourneyEd.com -- they will require you to fax proof of enrollment or employment, mind you.

tooki

Link · Apr 20, 2004, 03:14 AM

The BEST place to buy powerbooks and whatnot if you're in college is through your college's store, especially in the bigger ones.

Because there's the "technology fees" in tuition, well that's partially where you can get them back. Sometimes thanks to site agreements you can get licensed software on the cheap (and hardware too, apple stuff tends to have 'specials' sometimes).

K107 · Apr 20, 2004, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
Nonsense.

You can buy Apple hardware with the educational discount from a) Apple online [no verification done AT ALL], b) Apple over the phone [no verification done AT ALL], c) Apple retail store [they Xerox your student ID], or d) from your school bookstore.

You can buy Apple software with the educational discount from any of the above except the Apple retail stores; for some reason they won't discount software.

tooki

has anybody else purchase from the online eductional store? Is this true they don't check? Has anybody gotten checked when buying online.

Eyenovation · Apr 20, 2004, 07:35 PM

Why defraud a good thing? If you're a student, take advantage of the savings. If not, then in fairness you should pay full price. I personally take advantage of the student savings being a starving college student, and I'd hate to see that privilege taken away because people took advantage of it.

Just my two pennies.

K107 · Apr 20, 2004, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Eyenovation:
Why defraud a good thing? If you're a student, take advantage of the savings. If not, then in fairness you should pay full price. I personally take advantage of the student savings being a starving college student, and I'd hate to see that privilege taken away because people took advantage of it.

Just my two pennies.

Your 100% right. I have not register for summer classes yet. But would like to get the discount. But is all good. I wait

Alex00087 · Apr 20, 2004, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by K107:
Your 100% right. I have not register for summer classes yet. But would like to get the discount. But is all good. I wait

You can still use the education discount if you were just accepted into a university, it says so on the Apple Store EDU webpage. You can also bring in your acceptance letter to any Apple Store as well to take advantage of it.

El Magnificante · Apr 20, 2004, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Eyenovation:
Why defraud a good thing? If you're a student, take advantage of the savings. If not, then in fairness you should pay full price. I personally take advantage of the student savings being a starving college student, and I'd hate to see that privilege taken away because people took advantage of it.

Just my two pennies.

So you are morally correct to buy more than one system (against the rules) yet a non-student is morally incorrect to purchase even one (also against the rules)?

Just trying to understand your "logic"

MrForgetable · Apr 20, 2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Eyenovation:
Why defraud a good thing? If you're a student, take advantage of the savings. If not, then in fairness you should pay full price. I personally take advantage of the student savings being a starving college student, and I'd hate to see that privilege taken away because people took advantage of it.

Just my two pennies.

what about the high school students in there looking to switch to mac or even just get a new one? they aren't included in the discount "legally" but they are a "student" in the education system..

Eyenovation · Apr 20, 2004, 09:31 PM

Mr. Fantastic,

I'm not here to judge anyone. Hell, I'll even give the guy some credit. He's at least conspiring to get a quality machine, and not some lame virus laden, monotonous, Windoze shod, uncreative beige box. (I'm sure you know the type).

My point was rather... it seems sort of silly to publicly admit of such questionable actions. If anything, why not conduct such activity in private, away from the scrutinizing eye of MacNN readers. You'd never want to tip off any Apple employees who no doubt read this site for free market research on their business.

For reference, there's nothing that says you can't ever buy more than one machine. It's just stated (I believe) that you can only buy one per calendar school year.

"I pity the fool who accidently forks up the student discount."

Eyenovation · Apr 20, 2004, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by MrForgetable:
what about the high school students in there looking to switch to mac or even just get a new one? they aren't included in the discount "legally" but they are a "student" in the education system..

You have a Honda S2000, and you're in high school? That's a $30,000 car and you're talking about saving $200 on a Powerbook. Life IS rough these days, isn't it.

And for reference, you can be in Kindergarten and get a discount. Simply look up your school in the search and purchase to your heart's content. If some reason your school is not listed... blame the school, not Apple.

Edit:
See...'It's magical'

El Magnificante · Apr 20, 2004, 09:52 PM

Still trying to understand how a "starving student" can spend his evenings at Hustler yet condemn a possible switcher for saving a few big blinds through the Education discount.

MrForgetable · Apr 21, 2004, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Eyenovation:
You have a Honda S2000, and you're in high school? That's a $30,000 car and you're talking about saving $200 on a Powerbook. Life IS rough these days, isn't it.

And for reference, you can be in Kindergarten and get a discount. Simply look up your school in the search and purchase to your heart's content. If some reason your school is not listed... blame the school, not Apple.

Edit:
See...'It's magical'

i'm a freshman, 15 and i go to temple city high school. and i don't own an S2000. i just post at www.s2ki.com quite a lot and have made friends all over the world (tokyo, new york, northern california, canada, etc). i've been invited to S2000 events where 130+ S2000s have showed up and people have enough respect for me to give me a 3-4 hour ride in their S2000. i'd love to own one, but it's not for me, not now. i have $2000 dollars saved up for a powerbook/powermac/ibook/imac and parents are willing to help a teeny bit. i work my butt off for everything. people get silent A's in class, while I try to liven the class up by volunteering and cheering the class up. People try to cheat during swimming by skipping laps and making up fake cramps. i get a lot of cramps and i swim through it. i injured my pelvic girdle 3 times and i still swim the next day, and here are people ditching practices. i go by the saying "there are no shortcuts in life." if i believe in something, i work my ass off for it. getting a mac is something i believe in, and if i can get something in return that will make the experience more rewarding i'd be willing to take it. and coincidentally the ipod mini is just about that price.