[SuperGroove]

Guess what has happened in the time I wait for you to release a new TiBook? Well I'll tell you.

Athlon announced its XP chipset, which in 1.53GHZ form, outperforms an i850/P4 2GHZ chipset.

The First KT266A boards are shipping.

SIS releases a legit DDR chipset for the Pentium 4.

ATI releases the Radeon 8500 for $200 (Dell.com deal).

nVidia releases a new line up of ultra fast video cards for the PC.

Sony announces that it will incorporate the Radeon Mobility into its portable line up.

Time frame? All this happened in a mere week! YOU, PUTZ!


Argh...I'm just an impatient bugger Can I have my TiBook this month? Pretty please? These new products released for the PC are driving me nuts!

[jholmes]

Well I don't think calling him a Putz is gonna get it out any sooner.

Though I do share your pain. I NEED the new Ti. I'm starting a new job next week and part of the deal is a new PowerBook. I don't want to buy on Tuesday and have the announcement come Wednesday.

Anybody know anything about the timing on this?

Anyone...

Anyone??

I'm with you! I'm salivating with the newest crop of PC laptops: Toshiba 9000 with XGA+ display... 6.5 hour battery life... Dell 4100 with crazy tricked out specs for $2999 CDN.. (that's $1900 US) that pimp new Sony coming out...man!

I've got $4-5K to spend on a laptop and I'm terrified of WinXP (along with millions of others) but I can't justify the Powerbook G4 if it's got that low resolution screen and crapy drive options. What's with Apple's RAM prices? Are there no windows in their Ivory tower or have they beein gliving underwater? Don't even get me started on that video card.


here's what it'll take:

1600x1200 or at least 1600x1024 - now that's inovative!
better airport reception, and include bluetooth and 54Mb airport support.
CD-RW/DVD drive
512MB RAM standard
30 GB HD on low end
Bundle Office X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G4 600-700 Mhz (is it possible?)
Either Geforce 2go or ATI equal
$2999 US.

Sign me up 4 one =)

Originally posted by <JasonPP>:
<STRONG>I'm with you! I'm salivating with the newest crop of PC laptops: Toshiba 9000 with XGA+ display... 6.5 hour battery life... Dell 4100 with crazy tricked out specs for $2999 CDN.. (that's $1900 US) that pimp new Sony coming out...man!

I've got $4-5K to spend on a laptop and I'm terrified of WinXP (along with millions of others) but I can't justify the Powerbook G4 if it's got that low resolution screen and crapy drive options. What's with Apple's RAM prices? Are there no windows in their Ivory tower or have they beein gliving underwater? Don't even get me started on that video card.


here's what it'll take:

1600x1200 or at least 1600x1024 - now that's inovative!
better airport reception, and include bluetooth and 54Mb airport support.
CD-RW/DVD drive
512MB RAM standard
30 GB HD on low end
Bundle Office X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G4 600-700 Mhz (is it possible?)
Either Geforce 2go or ATI equal
$2999 US.</STRONG>

[bighead]

While this is all well and fine, all of you who think this is fully reasonable and possible have obviously no idea about the hardware AND software engineering behind all of the wants you've listed.

What if the video card suppliers don't or can't support the LCDs at a given resolution? What about the changes that would need to be made to accomodate such a screen change in both the hardware, firmware, and software? How about the product design and development that needs to be put into testing materials strength, heat dissipation, and everything else?

What about the fact that things might not be instantaneous to engineer? Software developers cannot just pull the code for 54 Mb/s AirPort out of their a$$. What about getting the Bluetooth standard working on the Mac, and creating a whole new system to allow product makers to write drivers for the technology on the Mac? Code does not appear out of nowhere, folks. It takes a lot of time, effort, and testing to get it right.

Apple wants to make money. Why else would it exist? They feel that the best way to make money is by selling insanely great products to the people who want and need them. While Apple's product turnover rate is slow for some people (6-12 months), remember that back in the late 80's and early 90's, a two year turnover was commonplace. Apple is working as hard as it can to get the best products to market as fast as it can deliver them. There is no good reason for them not to.

[IUJHJSDHE]

Don't buy the PC.

I tryed to get one of my best friend's to get an ibook for when he go's to germany for a short while. He dident he got a pc with the same specs and guess what happend yesterday when he went to the apple center with me. he said if he could take back buying his pc laptop and get an ibook now he would.

If you have time here is a different story as well.

A different friend of mine got a pc laptop about a few months ago. Its win2000, and some parts of it are not even attached to the computer anymore, His hatch almost broke and since he met and my friend mr. ibook me he says that if he could chose from a Pentium 4 or a g4 he would chose the g4.

Basicly PC's suck compared to windows.
So just wait a while longer .

[SMacSteve]

I too have been waiting for the revision of the TiBook, I agree on most of the wants for the new PB I'm not sure I want the higher resolution as all the higher res. pics I've seen you can't see the full desktop in the viewing area. I don't want to have to move the desktop around to see the right and then the left or top and then the bottom. I hope this makes since. And also if you could put everything in the viewing area how small do we need the icons on the desktop? I like the 1024x768 res. It gives the perfect text and icon size. Don't get me wrong I'm all for a sharper picture, I just think that unless you have a screen size bigger than 15" you don't need a higher res. than 1024x768.

Originally posted by IUJHJSDHE:
<STRONG>Basicly PC's suck compared to windows.
</STRONG>

You idiot. Do you even know what you are spewing?

[mike one]

Originally posted by SMacSteve:
<STRONG>I like the 1024x768 res. It gives the perfect text and icon size. Don't get me wrong I'm all for a sharper picture, I just think that unless you have a screen size bigger than 15" you don't need a higher res. than 1024x768.</STRONG>

the ibook has 1024/768 packed into a 12" screen and it is perfect!
the ti definaltely needs 1280X960, some would vote for 1600x1200 and i think that would be fine too. when you see a lcd with that res up close it is crystal clear. plus you can always adjust font sizes, folder sizes (especially in OSX) in a bigger direction. but when you have a screen stuck at 1024x768 you're stuck with that forever. i welcome the higher res, in fact i'm waiting for it! the ti book is going to have to offer serious bang for the buck. so many people have been waiting for a rev b tibook, apple has waited soooo long to give us ANYTHING. with the market/economy/state of affairs the way they are in the U.S. right now apple is going to have to be serious when they put out the ti rev b.

this means that 50MHz boosts with an extra 8MB of vram on the same gfx card aint gonna cut it.

we need 100MHz+ boosts. HD minimum size 20GB. gforce or ati radeon portable chips with 16 or 32MB of vram, higher pixel density. personally i don't give a hoot about having a combo drive in my laptop, but i'm sure some people would like it, so bring it on as an option.

damn we all know what apple needs to do, and i guess we're stuck waiting to see what they will do. i'm hoping for the best, knowing deep down that they aren't going to live up to anything near my expectations. pitty since i'm sitting on $3K waiting to buy a laptop to last me for 3 years.

i'm such a whiner.

[acadian]

Well, I upgraded to my Ti500 from a Wallstreet 233 so the performance leap was nothing short of spectacular. I love this machine and could not survive without it. That said, I've recently been involved in quite a bit of FinalCut Pro work and have noticed, running the Ti in conjunction with both the 233 and a lombard 333, that the extra 100mhz and AltiVec sure do make a difference in rendering time. A new Ti with a 700mhz chip would be ideal for me and would not think twice about upgrading, especially if it means the difference between 20mins and 30mins for rendering. Combo drive, screen res...they dont mean as much to me as a serious processor upgrade.

[C33]

according to MOSR (http://www.macosrumors.com), Motorola is to blame for why we are still stuck with the aging TiBook. They are having a problem getting sufficient extra speed out of the new processors. At the moment Jobs is stuck delivering a 450 and 550 Mhz upgrade and Jobs doesn't feel that justifies a revision. While I agree with that now, I think he should have just went with the 50Mhz speed bumps a few months ago along with a 16MB graphics chip bigger hard drive and ram. That would have justified a revision. Now, however, it's been such a long wait that he's stuck with having to produce a major upgrade to keep up with PC laptops.

This unholy allience Apple has with Motorola has really hurt Apple's image of being a computer company with style and subtance. Regarding their laptops, they are good on style but the substance is becoming extremely lacking compared to their PC counterparts.

Does anyone know why Apple continues to put up with Motorola' s blatant incompetence?

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: C33 ]

[PookJP]

I figure I may as well chime in:

I will buy a TiBook as soon as it is upgraded. I haven't quite the laundry list others have. All I want is a faster processor, a bigger HD, and more RAM. The screen's fine.

[SMacSteve]

Mike One, I beg to differ! The iBook is not perfect and the screen is too small. It need's to be at least 13.3" The current design makes it too difficult to see the items on the screen. I took a look at the iBook before buying my Pismo and decided that between the 14" screen and the faster bus along with the better expansion capabilities that the Pismo was the way to go. I wanted to buy a TiBook but this was about a month ago and I just hate being one up'd so soon. So I figured get the Pismo for half the price and wait till the revision and see if the new one is worth moving to. This Pismo 500 is awesome and Apple will have to make the new TiBook real sweet for me to move up. If all they do is bump 50 or 100 mhz and add a combo drive along with the HD bump, I'm staying put till the 7440 chip makes it's way out. They will also have to have at least the 32MB ATI or nVidia graphics chip out. I won't settle for a measly 16MB chip. Apple had better get with it, the Ti is fast becoming a second rate performer as DELL and others have already impamented the newest graphic chips. Well, I've gone on to long and I just wanted to state my point about the screen size importance in relation to the resolution being the key, not "lets get the highest res. possible ".

Well, it would be a perfect timing if Sonnet or Powerlogix would introduce a 1 Ghz 750cx G3 upgrade for Pismo.

Hello my little fans.
Just passed by to let you know the only thing im lauching this month is a big and stinky fart on your faces. Tibook rev b ? come on ! it still a winner as it is, and now its cheaper.

- More memory ? well there are places to buy it !
- Bigger HD ? just get rid of all your porn and u will have enough space.
- Better resolution ? once you'd get rid of the porn you wont need this.
- Better video chip ? get a playstation 2 if you are a hardcore gamer

Now that ive clarified all this, my dear fans, dont expect anything else from me until january when i will play with your little heads and hearts, take your breath away and of course, show you no matter how much i make you wait, you always, and i mean always will come back to me.

Well gotta go, my Dell Inspiron is running out of batery and i want to watch my Titanic DVD before the power is over.

XOXO
Steve

[itim55]

When Revision B. comes out, I'll buy it like THAT. I need that revision, and I need it now for my new job. (graphics comapny) Apple, is it so hard to bite your lip and release 50 MHz bumps and better graphics cards with more HD space and a combo drive? I mean, it's better than doing nothing!

[fisherKing]

three words:
com -bo - drive.

if it's gonna be a beautiful slim laptop i want cdrw!
i don't want to carry more stuff,

okay, also a speed bump & useable airport...

& lower price (okay, just wishing...)

[[APi]TheMan]

Originally posted by &lt;dreaming&gt;:
<STRONG>Well, it would be a perfect timing if Sonnet or Powerlogix would introduce a 1 Ghz 750cx G3 upgrade for Pismo.</STRONG>

Do they have processor upgrades for Pismos?... I'd consider buying a faster G3 or a similar speed G4 upgrade for my Pismo 400... At a reasonable cost, that is. Heh, I'm not made of money.. yet.

[satchmo]

APPLE,MAKE IT WORK WITH YOUR LCD DISPLAYS!

It's so ludicruos that none of Apple's laptops can connect to their LCD displays.

While I too prefer a slightly higher resolution, this issue may be alleviated to some degree if you can connect to a flat display.
At least give us that option.

[SMacSteve]

Originally posted by [APi]TheMan:
<STRONG>

Do they have processor upgrades for Pismos?... I'd consider buying a faster G3 or a similar speed G4 upgrade for my Pismo 400... At a reasonable cost, that is. Heh, I'm not made of money.. yet.</STRONG>

I've been told by a Mac Genius at the MOA that he has it on good info that Sonnet is working on a G4 upgrade for the Pismo. The holdup you ask? You guessed it, the ever famous "heat issue". If they (Apple) were able to work out a solution then I'm sure that Sonnet will as well. If they did release one I would buy it in a hearbeat and hold on to beloved Pimso for a good while. The only downside would be the graphics chip.

A G4 upgrade (most likely maxing out around 500MHz) for Pismo would be fun, but I would prefer a 1 Ghz 750cx G3 upgrade, particularly if it could run cooler & longer.

[naderby]

Your wishes have come true:

MacNN sources note that Apple will officially introduce new speed-bumped PowerBooks and iBooks later this month. The new PowerBook will feature G4 processor speeds of 667MHz and 550MHz, larger harddrives (20GB/30GB), a Radeon 128 Mobility graphics processor, Gigabit ethernet, and a bundled AirPort card. The new Titanium PowerBooks are expected to be the same prices as the current models. Apple is also expected to introduce new speed-bumped iBooks with a faster 600MHz G3 processor, larger hard drives (15GB/15GB/20GB), and more memory (128MB) as well as cut pricing on its high-end machine combo-drive unit by about $100. Current models are expected to be modestly discounted to clear remaining inventory, after the expected October 16.

Quote from Register Article

" ... our source implies the new chip is simply being used to speed-bump the PowerBook before completely new models - described as a "big revision" - are launched next year at Macworld Expo Tokyo, the traditional venue of Apple's PowerBook announcements "

Is apple playing with us ? after 9 months of waiting , they are gonna release a mediocre update this month and then a big revision on macworld expo tokyo ??? Im not buying anything then. AND ALL OF YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME TO TEACH APPLE NOT TO F-CK AROUND WITH THEIR CUSTUMERS.
DID YOU HEAR ME STEVE JOBS ? OR I NEED TO PEE ON YOU TO HAVE SOME ATTENTION ?

[workerbee]

I know, I know, it's never ever enough for some of us, but still: I'd really like Apple to measure up to the wintel boxes with any Rev2 TiBook they might have ready, and that means:
- ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 videochipset with 32 MB 128bit DDR
- much higher screen rez; the TiBook should have 1600x1024, like the Cinema Display
- digital sound output so we can play 5.1 sound from DVDs

Faster (or more) CPUs would be nice too, of course, but obviously Motorola is simply unable to deliver. The PowerPC advantage of using less power and therefore having less heat to dissipate is melting away rather quickly, if one is to believe what The Reg says -- Intel and AMD have some really sweet CPUs out there or coming soon.

Guess I'll be using my Pismo a bit longer still.

[SuperGroove]

Originally posted by jholmes:
<STRONG>Well I don't think calling him a Putz is gonna get it out any sooner.

Though I do share your pain. I NEED the new Ti. I'm starting a new job next week and part of the deal is a new PowerBook. I don't want to buy on Tuesday and have the announcement come Wednesday.

Anybody know anything about the timing on this?

Anyone...

Anyone??</STRONG>

My this worked out well for me

[Brit Ben]

Originally posted by satchmo:
<STRONG>APPLE,MAKE IT WORK WITH YOUR LCD DISPLAYS!

It's so ludicruos that none of Apple's laptops can connect to their LCD displays.

While I too prefer a slightly higher resolution, this issue may be alleviated to some degree if you can connect to a flat display.
At least give us that option.</STRONG>

YES yes yes !!!

It should have a DVI port, PLEASE !!
I'll settle for using an adaptor for regular 15 pin connectors.

Ben

[Brit Ben]

Originally posted by satchmo:
<STRONG>APPLE,MAKE IT WORK WITH YOUR LCD DISPLAYS!

It's so ludicruos that none of Apple's laptops can connect to their LCD displays.

While I too prefer a slightly higher resolution, this issue may be alleviated to some degree if you can connect to a flat display.
At least give us that option.</STRONG>

YES yes yes !!!

It should have a DVI port, PLEASE !!
I'll settle for using an adaptor for regular 15 pin connectors.

Ben

[scottiB]

I doubt that any Ti/iBooks will have an ADC connector instead of the VGA (and there's no room for both, I would guess). Doing so would eliminate the ability to connect to an LCD projector for presentations, etc.