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Deep dish casserole pizza

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Jun 9, 2019, 01:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Deep dish casserole pizza

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Yes.

I hate this shit gets associated with my city. New York, or even Detroit style is vastly superior.

The only okay deep dish I’ve had is Lou Malnati’s. Bacino’s makes a okay stuffed pizza. Neither are as good as my nearby New York place.
     
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Jun 9, 2019, 02:01 PM
 
Deep dish pizza is great bad. It's threatened to make me buy new belts. Gotta avoid it most of the time.
     
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Jun 9, 2019, 04:24 PM
 
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The Wire.
Really? Even the first season?
     
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Jun 9, 2019, 06:56 PM
 
French food. I went to Paris about two months ago and clearly overrated.
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In most things, Rome > Paris.
     
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Deep dish pizza is great bad. It's threatened to make me buy new belts. Gotta avoid it most of the time.
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That info is well hidden.

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That’s a problem.

I don’t know why, but pizza is very sensitive to longitude.
     
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Jun 10, 2019, 07:14 AM
 
Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
French food. I went to Paris about two months ago and clearly overrated.
Originally Posted by subego View Post
In most things, Rome > Paris.
I’ll never say anything bad about Italian food, but Paris is also incredible. You two are bonkers.
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Jun 10, 2019, 07:21 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Really? Even the first season?
I would argue that the first season of The Wire is the worst, because it is so hard to get into when a lot of the characters look the same. For some reason half the detectives are overweight white men (because everyone sends their worst to get rid of them) and it is not immediately obvious which of the bad guys you need to keep track of.

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French food. I went to Paris about two months ago and clearly overrated.
The issue is, I think, that French food has become sort of generic good restaurant food. It's well made, but nothing special.

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In most things, Rome > Paris.
IMHO Italy is full of good food, but Rome is nothing special.
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Jun 10, 2019, 12:37 PM
 
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I would argue that the first season of The Wire is the worst, because it is so hard to get into when a lot of the characters look the same. For some reason half the detectives are overweight white men (because everyone sends their worst to get rid of them) and it is not immediately obvious which of the bad guys you need to keep track of.
I only remember two white detectives from the first season. McNulty and Herc. Herc’s the fat one.

There’s the Polish kid, but I’d argue he’s more of a side story, and he certainly isn’t fat.
     
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Jun 10, 2019, 12:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I only remember two white detectives from the first season. McNulty and Herc. Herc’s the fat one.

There’s the Polish kid, but I’d argue he’s more of a side story, and he certainly isn’t fat.
He gets a major storyline in season 4 as a teacher.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
He gets a major storyline in season 4 as a teacher.
Which is a fantastic frigging storyline.

He’s not pivotal to season 1, though.

One of the things I like about The Wire is you can take the first season on its own as a complete show.
     
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I trudged through the first season, acknowledged the acting skill, but was not invested enough in characters to get into season 2 (never mind season 4). It was depressing.
     
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Jun 10, 2019, 01:57 PM
 
Fair enough, but I submit to the judges that’s a taste thing and not undeserved accolades.

I mean, it’s about mostly asshole cops in Baltimore. It has an obligation to be depressing.


Edit: and if you take the first season as a complete show, the ending is really depressing.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
I trudged through the first season, acknowledged the acting skill, but was not invested enough in characters to get into season 2 (never mind season 4). It was depressing.
The only bad season is the last season. They sort of gave up trying.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
In most things, Rome > Paris.
Ah, France vs Italy. The eternal grudge match. In pretty much every arena the country that thinks it's the best in Europe vs the one that actually is.

Food: Italy
Fashion: Italy
Architecture: Italy
Scenery: Italy
cars: Really really Italy
Language: Italy
Culture: Italy
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Edit: and if you take the first season as a complete show, the ending is really depressing.
and you see why I never tried season 2.
     
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ps. Stuffed crust Pizza!

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and you see why I never tried season 2.
They ultimately “erase” a lot of what happened in the first season. Everything was so screwed up at the end of S1, they had to, or it would have to be an entirely different show.

I give them credit, though. It wasn’t poof, everything’s fine. They slow-walked it through like, 10 episodes.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
I only remember two white detectives from the first season. McNulty and Herc. Herc’s the fat one.

There’s the Polish kid, but I’d argue he’s more of a side story, and he certainly isn’t fat.
I don’t mean either of them. If you check back, the first season is full of people who then disappear when it’s about the core team that are involved in all the seasons.

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Ah, France vs Italy. The eternal grudge match. In pretty much every arena the country that thinks it's the best in Europe vs the one that actually is.

Food: Italy
Fashion: Italy
Architecture: Italy
Scenery: Italy
cars: Really really Italy
Language: Italy
Culture: Italy
Italy is lovely, except for the politics. I have been there quite a bit for work and once or twice for vacation, but I wouldn’t live there.
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Jun 10, 2019, 09:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
French food. I went to Paris about two months ago and clearly overrated.
Perhaps you went to the wrong places to eat? To start with, Paris is very expensive, so getting good French food can cost you a fortune. I've had some really great food while being in Paris, but a lot of the time I was with Parisians or people who have lived in Paris at one point.

Here in Japan, you can get some of the best French food anywhere on the planet. And in some cases it is cheaper than in Paris. A friend of mine spent about 3 years in the North of Italy and then became the sous chef in a 3-star restaurant in Paris. He has his own restaurant with his own star now, and it is certainly in the Top 3 places I have ever eaten in my life — and relatively affordable. He blends French, Italian and Japanese flavors, but mostly sticks to the European ones for the big notes.
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Ah, France vs Italy. The eternal grudge match. In pretty much every arena the country that thinks it's the best in Europe vs the one that actually is.

Food: Italy
Fashion: Italy
Architecture: Italy
Scenery: Italy
cars: Really really Italy
Language: Italy
Culture: Italy
I think it is a bit simplistic to make such blanket comparisons. Any Italian will tell you there are many Italies, and the food differs humongously. Amongst my best friends two are Italian, one is from the North, the other from the South. But the one from the South is married to a woman from the North. So I got to sample a wide variety of foods. The Southern food is much simpler peasant food than what you get in some of the richer regions. Italians in general take pride in the food of their region, something that is not really a thing in Germany. (Of course there are local dishes, but they are not as central to our identity, I think.) This is one thing that they have in common with the French, e. g. if you are from Lyon, you will be very proud of your food and that Lyon (according to you as a Lyonese) is the French food capital.

The French food most people think of is fancy food, even though there is tons of very delicious “simple” food. France has much more fresh cheeses, which perish much more easily rather than the famous Italian hard cheeses. Plus, a lot of what I consider French food nowadays comes from the Magreb through immigration.
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IMHO Italy is full of good food, but Rome is nothing special.
Some of my most interesting Italian foods I have had were in quite simple places, e. g. a restaurant in Livorno run by communists (you see the hammer and sickle flag hanging there). The food and the experience around it was simple, but great, a place I'd never have picked out myself. Rome is overrun by tourists, so finding good, affordable eateries is a challenge. Since I usually travel with a reasonable budget, I prefer to pick unusual places.

Definitely not overrated is food in Japan — not just Japanese food, but food in Japan. Last weekend I was road racing with my team mates (the head of the team is the owner and chef at the aforementioned restaurant), and we had dinner in the middle of nowhere at an Italian restaurant. The food was amazing. The pizza was not as good, because the restaurant did not have the proper oven, so it was more of a good “home style” pizza that my Italians friends have made numerous times. But he used unusual ingredients like pig feet and such, cooked the pork roast for ~4 hours, etc. This was just great food.
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Italy is lovely, except for the politics.
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Jun 11, 2019, 04:07 AM
 
French accents though. Partly because Italian is over-parodied.
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Jun 13, 2019, 07:25 AM
 
French macarons. Super expensive and is just sugar and food coloring. Not delicious even if can buy quality ones five for a dollar. I went to a cooking class to know how to make them and they are super easy to make. No idea why they are so pricey.
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Macaroon > macaron
     
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Jun 13, 2019, 02:29 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Yes.

I hate this shit gets associated with my city. New York, or even Detroit style is vastly superior.

The only okay deep dish I’ve had is Lou Malnati’s. Bacino’s makes a okay stuffed pizza. Neither are as good as my nearby New York place.
Conans Pizza, Austin, TX. Deep Pan Pizza baked in a magical oven... They don't call it "Chicago Style" or anything like that. Excellent (thick) crust, great ingredients, a sauce that makes other sauces envious. It's wonderful stuff.

But I see that a lot of people just don't care for "deep dish pizza." Why?

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I never understood it, either. I’ve had great deep-dish pizza, and I’ve had utter rubbish NY pizza, and vice-versa. It doesn’t matter how it’s made as long as it’s tasty. I have little patience for declarations that X-food must be done exactly one way.
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But I see that a lot of people just don't care for "deep dish pizza." Why?
They get offended by calling it pizza. But it is just an entirely different dish, that has a common ancestor with the pizza
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French macarons. Super expensive and is just sugar and food coloring. Not delicious even if can buy quality ones five for a dollar. I went to a cooking class to know how to make them and they are super easy to make. No idea why they are so pricey.
Are you suggesting that five for a dollar is:

1. for quality macarons
2. Expensive

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Conans Pizza, Austin, TX. Deep Pan Pizza baked in a magical oven... They don't call it "Chicago Style" or anything like that. Excellent (thick) crust, great ingredients, a sauce that makes other sauces envious. It's wonderful stuff.

But I see that a lot of people just don't care for "deep dish pizza." Why?
“There’s really good pan pizza if I drive 80 miles for it.”

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I never understood it, either. I’ve had great deep-dish pizza, and I’ve had utter rubbish NY pizza, and vice-versa. It doesn’t matter how it’s made as long as it’s tasty. I have little patience for declarations that X-food must be done exactly one way.
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Are you suggesting that five for a dollar is:

1. for quality macarons
2. Expensive

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Sorry maybe a little misunderstanding. Saying macarons are expensive and not delicious (price notwithstanding). Just sugar and food coloring. No way they should be that pricey.
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They get offended by calling it pizza. But it is just an entirely different dish, that has a common ancestor with the pizza
It's like how a burger and a sandwich are the same thing, just prepared differently.

Well, yeah — different dishes get different names. That’s how it works.
     
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Gordon Ramsay. Don't know why people on Youtube (and other people) like him so much. He contradicts himself constantly and if it weren't for his British accent and "good looks," he might still be famous, but people wouldn't like him as much. He still is good, but is overrated.
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Sorry maybe a little misunderstanding. Saying macarons are expensive and not delicious (price notwithstanding). Just sugar and food coloring. No way they should be that pricey.
$0.20 each? Can you get a Tootsie Roll for $0.20?

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$0.20 each? Can you get a Tootsie Roll for $0.20?

Did you mean to say $5 each?
At $5, it it is too expensive hence it is overrated. If it was cheaper, but not necessarily under a dollar cheaper, it may be better, but the price premium is too great.
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Mary Janes > Tootsie Rolls
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
It's like how a burger and a sandwich are the same thing, just prepared differently.
Yup. Ditto with beer, there are plenty of Belgian beers that would, legally speaking, not be considered beer in Germany. Who cares, whether you call it beer or not, it is very tasty. (I don't mind calling it beer, because I respect Belgium's beer culture. I refuse to call many American and Canadian “beers” beers, even though they might legally be considered “beers” in Germany. To be clear, I am thinking of Millers, Canadian and the like, not the good stuff you can get from microbreweries.)
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Gordon Ramsay. Don't know why people on Youtube (and other people) like him so much.
I guess he is entertaining to watch for some and a savvy business man. From that perspective, Ramsay is not overrated. But once you own so many restaurants that you may call it a chain, quality goes down, and then yes, the food is overrated.
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Most people I talk to hate Gordon Ramsey, they think he's mean. I think that part of his act is exaggerated. I'm sure he's not the easiest going, but he clearly cares about people who earn his respect. He is forever hiring young hard workers with no other qualifications, giving them a real leg up in life.
I actually think he's a good role model. He works really really hard, never stops. He was set to be a professional football (as in Soccer) player until he had a career ending injury and instead of just giving up and moping about he just went off and become the most successful chef in the history of the world. Not bad really.
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Mary Janes > Tootsie Rolls
Well, sure. Tootsie Rolls, while certainly durable, wouldn't make the most comfortable footwear.
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Oh, speaking of the French.

French wine is definitely overrated.

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California > France
     
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California > France
Yes, but that’s often a matter of taste (subjective), because generally, the grapes used are different.

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California grape will shank a bitch-ass French grape.

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