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May 19, 2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Ok, fair reminder. But I think that reinforces the Dems point: that having a hand in firing Comey looks shady. If he wanted to avoid the appearance of impropriety he shouldn't have gotten involved. And, considering Rosenstein, I don't know why he would have risked it.
Rosenstein isn't reliable. Trump needed more cover, and Sessions determined providing it was less risky than not.
     
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May 19, 2017, 04:18 PM
 
Why is Rosenstein not reliable?
     
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May 19, 2017, 04:20 PM
 
The scuttle I hear on him is that relatively speaking, he's a stand-up guy.
     
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Why is Rosenstein not reliable?
I reckon subego meant this from Trump's perspective: Rosenstein's decision to appoint a special counsel means he isn't loyal to Trump.
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I reckon subego meant this from Trump's perspective: Rosenstein's decision to appoint a special counsel means he isn't loyal to Trump.
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But that after the fact. Why was he not reliable before the firing of Comey?
     
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May 23, 2017, 06:45 AM
 
I'm going to give in to ease of communication.

There's reliable, and there's cockholster reliable.

I'm talking about the second kind. They knew he wasn't that from lack of moisture.
     
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May 23, 2017, 09:56 AM
 
They didn't need reliable they needed cover. They were asking him for a list of grievances. If he didn't deliver Sessions could have gotten involved at the cost of a whole day perhaps.
     
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They didn't need reliable they needed cover. They were asking him for a list of grievances. If he didn't deliver Sessions could have gotten involved at the cost of a whole day perhaps.
Look, your reply is entirely logical, and I think Trump's actions just aren't based on logic. Trump could have fired Comey for the same motives in a manner that could be politically explainable. Instead, he has no filter between his brain and mouth that prevents him from saying things that will get him into deep trouble.
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May 23, 2017, 01:04 PM
 
We're talking Sessions here, though. Presumably he had a choice in the matter. He chose to get involved even though he shouldn't.
     
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May 23, 2017, 02:07 PM
 
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They didn't need reliable they needed cover. They were asking him for a list of grievances. If he didn't deliver Sessions could have gotten involved at the cost of a whole day perhaps.
The cover doesn't hold up as well if the guy resigns in protest the next day for being used as cover.

The scuttle is that's what he threatened.
     
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May 23, 2017, 02:33 PM
 
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The cover doesn't hold up as well if the guy resigns in protest the next day for being used as cover.

The scuttle is that's what he threatened.
Again you're using something after the fact to justify their reasoning. If they had known that they wouldn't have used him at all.
     
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May 23, 2017, 03:05 PM
 
I'm using things which happened after the fact to judge his character, which is presumably unchanged from before he wrote the memo, and to some extent, known to his bosses.

They took a risk, which looks like it's not going to pan out. The possibility of that is why Sessions had to be attached.
     
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I'm using things which happened after the fact to judge his character, which is presumably unchanged from before he wrote the memo, and to some extent, known to his bosses.

They took a risk, which looks like it's not going to pan out. The possibility of that is why Sessions had to be attached.
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If he didn't deliver Sessions could have gotten involved at the cost of a whole day perhaps.
     
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May 23, 2017, 05:00 PM
 
Deliver what?

He delivered the memo, but didn't deliver on standing behind it.
     
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May 23, 2017, 09:23 PM
 
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We're talking Sessions here, though. Presumably he had a choice in the matter. He chose to get involved even though he shouldn't.
Agreed.
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May 24, 2017, 09:48 AM
 
His choice was "provide cover or kiss my pardon goodbye".
     
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May 24, 2017, 10:27 AM
 
In retrospect, I'm looking for logic and sense in Trumps actions. I am at fault here.
     
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May 24, 2017, 10:29 AM
 
+1

(The lack of sense part)
     
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May 24, 2017, 10:43 AM
 
I have to assume Trump dragged Sessions into it, who may have dragged Rosenstein in to try to get the heat off him. But the damage was done.
     
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May 24, 2017, 10:54 AM
 
No question. Whatever objections Sessions had, Trump, culling from his years of experience in these types of matters, replied to him "this is not what I'm paying you for".
     
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In retrospect, I'm looking for logic and sense in Trumps actions. I am at fault here.
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