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May 18, 2017, 10:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-jam...t-donald-trump
"What James Comey Told Me About Donald Trump"
Just read this.

I feel the part about Comey "training" the White House is going to be the defense to questions about why he didn't report things at the time.
     
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May 18, 2017, 11:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Just read this.

I feel the part about Comey "training" the White House is going to be the defense to questions about why he didn't report things at the time.
I looked at it as a sting operation. Having a man on the inside is key. Also, Trump's statement wouldn't be damning enough in a vacuum.
     
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May 18, 2017, 11:02 PM
 
Well, when you report things on time you get fired anyway and painted as a disgruntled employee. I would suspect the timing is all in the relationships. All Comey would have to say is "I was following Trump's orders" and most people would think that's just fine, right?
     
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May 18, 2017, 11:06 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I looked at it as a sting operation. Having a man on the inside is key. Also, Trump's statement wouldn't be damning enough in a vacuum.
If it was a sting, he really shouldn't be casually talking about it over lunch.
     
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May 18, 2017, 11:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Well, when you report things on time you get fired anyway and painted as a disgruntled employee. I would suspect the timing is all in the relationships. All Comey would have to say is "I was following Trump's orders" and most people would think that's just fine, right?
Which orders?
     
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May 18, 2017, 11:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
If it was a sting, he really shouldn't be casually talking about it over lunch.
Sting is probably not the right word, but it makes no sense to resign if you have concerns. If you think Trump could compromise the next FBI head, resigning is the last thing you do.


I do think Wittes is underselling his relationship with Comey though. Which makes me wary.
     
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May 20, 2017, 09:58 PM
 
This nails the whole thing:



(No cheerleading from either of them.)
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May 20, 2017, 10:39 PM
 
What are these "entanglements with the DOJ" that Gowdy speaks of?
"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church" Saint Tertullian, 197 AD
     
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May 21, 2017, 12:15 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
This nails the whole thing:



(No cheerleading from either of them.)
Not familiar with Crowder. He comes off like a dickhead.

I like Ben however, and his analysis isn't bad, but if the vultures are in fact circling Kushner, it becomes harder to buy Trump was only thinking of himself.
     
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May 21, 2017, 03:46 AM
 
he's a radio shock jock, they're all dickheads.
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May 21, 2017, 04:06 AM
 
I'm surprised to hear a Greg Louganis AIDS joke from someone who isn't even 30.
     
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May 23, 2017, 01:03 AM
 
BTW, I love that this so far has given us two Trump quotes that are full of projection:
Look he’s a showboat, he’s a grandstander
He was crazy, a real nut job
     
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May 23, 2017, 01:11 PM
 
^^^^

Yeah when I heard that all I could think of is "the pot calling the kettle black".

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^^^^

Yeah when I heard that all I could think of is "the pot calling the kettle black".

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May 23, 2017, 01:18 PM
 
That saying implies Comey is similar. It's more like the pot calling the washbasin black.
     
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Racist.


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May 23, 2017, 11:33 PM
 
https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/s...52509449764864
NEW: Pres. Trump expected to retain Marc Kasowitz as private attorney representing him on matters related to Russia probe, @ABC confirms.
Meanwhile, Kasowitz' law partner Joe Lieberman is front runner for FBI chief.
I have no reaction gif for this
     
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May 29, 2017, 03:43 PM
 
The counter-swipe to the Russia "email" is interesting.

"Doesn't matter that it's fake. If it leaked, the damage would be done."

I don't necessarily disagree, but it says something the system can get subverted to this extent just by making some shit up.
     
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May 29, 2017, 03:47 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
The counter-swipe to the Russia "email" is interesting.

"Doesn't matter that it's fake. If it leaked, the damage would be done."

I don't necessarily disagree, but it says something the system can get subverted to this extent just by making some shit up.
It's a symptom of the political climate. Which is to say our democracy wouldn't be so vulnerable if we hadn't been so busy painting each side as evil incarnate for the past 25 years.
     
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May 29, 2017, 07:38 PM
 
^^ Precisely.
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Jun 2, 2017, 03:52 PM
 
White House says it's considering blocking Comeys testimony and I still don't believe it when I read it in the news
     
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Jun 2, 2017, 06:14 PM
 
How are they planning to block a Congressional summons? Arrest him for "resisting arrest" and lose him in processing?
     
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Jun 2, 2017, 06:31 PM
 
Citing executive privilege is what I've read.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
White House says it's considering blocking Comeys testimony and I still don't believe it when I read it in the news
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Jun 6, 2017, 09:31 PM
 
https://apnews.com/97d2df602a664ae3a2b65b874a640baf
A nonprofit issues group is labeling James Comey a political “showboat” in a television ad set to air Thursday, the day the former FBI director testifies on Capitol Hill.
Channeling my inner Lenin, people have too much damn money when they're spending it to attack non-elected officials just for testifying in front of congress.
     
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Someone is serving appetizers for Thursday
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 12:19 PM
 
The smears on Comey I expected aren't really materializing.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 12:22 PM
 
Prediction: Yet another nothing burger, but leaving enough crumbs to keep the conspiracy theorists engaged.
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Jun 7, 2017, 12:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
The smears on Comey I expected aren't really materializing.
The attack ad doesn't count? Not vicious enough?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
The attack ad doesn't count? Not vicious enough?
I was imagining whatever they could dig up being the topic du jour with the Hannity-Limbaugh axis.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 12:42 PM
 
Gotcha. Asshole is probably squeaky clean.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 12:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Gotcha. Asshole is probably squeaky clean.
Lawfare, certainly a biased source, did an article on what the rank and file think of him.

The author needed several paragraphs, right up front, which summarize as "yeah... I know it sounds like bullshit people love the guy this much".
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 01:01 PM
 
That's different. But yes Wittes outspokenness has been irking me. Simplest answer is hes using the opportunity to get traffic to his blog but otherwise i am suspicious of his motives.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Prediction: Yet another nothing burger, but leaving enough crumbs to keep the conspiracy theorists engaged.
It's shaping up to be like an iPhone announcement. The confirmed new features are he got leaned on, Trump is a liar, and Sessions is a wuss.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
That's different. But yes Wittes outspokenness has been irking me. Simplest answer is hes using the opportunity to get traffic to his blog but otherwise i am suspicious of his motives.
I certainly wouldn't take it as gospel, and Wittes bothers me as well, but the article fits with the lack of dirt.

I'm not sure how much it matters, but I feel obligated to note this particular article wasn't written by Wittes.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 01:17 PM
 
A cynical view is of course the guy who burned Hillary is beloved by his employees.

A realistic view is the kind of man who was deputy AG under Bush has the kind of honor and integrity you rarely find anywhere.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 01:47 PM
 
Comey's opening statement...

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...mey-060817.pdf

Giving it a read now.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:11 PM
 
I suppose the relevant question here is, is 'asking' for an investigation to be dropped actionable? I assume not.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:13 PM
 
Looks like the main new things are they discussed the dossier, and Comey did in fact tell Trump he wasn't under investigation a bunch of times.

I'm still thinking through what insights can be gleaned about his firing.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I suppose the relevant question here is, is 'asking' for an investigation to be dropped actionable? I assume not.
This ultimately hinges on what Flynn did, and whether Trump knew.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:20 PM
 
Let's assume Trump didn't know and just assumed his friend was the target of fake news. Then it's nothing?
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:29 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Let's assume Trump didn't know and just assumed his friend was the target of fake news. Then it's nothing?
The accurate answer is beyond my pay grade, but my personal opinion is that probably should be nothing.

My stab at the accurate answer is throwing the book at the president for an honest mistake is too tough a sell, even with legit grounds.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:30 PM
 
I tend to agreeing. Though asking around or multiple times might muddy the waters.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:32 PM
 
As an aside, kudos to Comey for releasing this.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:38 PM
 
It's his statement for tomorrow. Technically I think SSCI released it early.
     
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One would hope with Comey's leave.
     
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I think Comey put up a pretty rock-solid argument there was no reason to fire him.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:59 PM
 
Honestly I don't recall the rock solid reasoning given for his firing. I feel like it changed a few times.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 02:59 PM
 
Drive-by speculation...

"That thing you know" is Comey with the Weiner lappy.
     
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Jun 7, 2017, 03:02 PM
 
The consensus is Trump thinks Comey purposely got him elected by doing that.
     
 
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