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Sep 17, 2018, 12:41 AM
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.aa81e9b0970e
Kevin Downing, an attorney for Manafort, gave a brief statement outside the courthouse after the hearing. “He wanted to make sure his family remained safe and live a good life,” Downing said of Manafort. “He has accepted responsibility.”

When asked whether the deal with Mueller’s team is a full cooperation agreement, Downing replied, “It is.”
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...03383732604928
A little hint, perhaps, of how important Manafort’s guilty plea is to the investigation:

Mueller signed the criminal information himself. He hasn’t done that for any other plea deal, not even for Flynn.


I also read a lot of his team showed up to watch the proceeding Friday. It's pretty clear this is a big get for them, whatever the case they're trying to make.
     
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Ah, here's the post flip reaction.
     
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Sep 17, 2018, 09:23 PM
 
I wonder who's sitting on Trump. You'd think he would go nuts on twitter. Instead, a press release vetted by the lawyers for once.
     
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Sep 18, 2018, 06:10 AM
 
Running scared.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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*not technically Mueller
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.36fb16a764bd
Elena Khusyaynova, 44, was charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States. Prosecutors said she managed the finances of “Project Lakhta,” a foreign influence operation they said was designed “to sow discord in the U.S. political system” by pushing arguments and misinformation online about a host of divisive political issues, including immigration, the Confederate flag, gun control and National Football League protests during the national anthem.
Court papers say Khusyaynova’s operation was funded by Russian oligarch Yevgeniy Prigozhin, an associate of Russian President Vladi­mir Putin who is known as “Putin’s chef,” and two companies he controls: Concord Management and Consulting, and Concord Catering. A federal judge in Washington this week expressed reservations about the special-counsel office’s prosecution of one of Prigozhin’s companies and directed Mueller’s prosecutors to provide a more detailed response to the company’s bid to dismiss the central charge.

A criminal complaint filed against Khusyaynova charges that she managed the finances of Project Lakhta, including detailed expenses for activities in the United States.
This is somehow tied to the firm trying to get Mueller's case against the indicted 19 thrown out.
     
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...25009986850816
New: Roger Stone has amended his House Intelligence Committee testimony THREE separate times since last year as new reports have emerged about his ties to WikiLeaks. But he’s still vulnerable to a perjury charge if Mueller determines he lied to Congress.
Always a great sign.
     
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The election is Tuesday right? So the most fun time for Mueller to drop a bombshell would be Monday afternoon? Fingers crossed...
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Nov 26, 2018, 10:01 PM
 
Guess who's in breach of his plea dealllllllllllllllll
     
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Cohen cooperating with Mueller, admits to lying to congress about working on a Russian deal for Trump during the campaign.
     
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Nov 29, 2018, 12:23 PM
 
I think we can all agree that nothing has come of this investigation.
     
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Nov 29, 2018, 01:00 PM
 
If you mean finding Trump colluded with the Russians, then nothing has surfaced so far. But the investigation's directive is to find Russian interference in the election.

Bunch of GRU agents are facing arrest, if they ever set foot in US jurisdiction. Half of Trump's senior campaign staff are facing criminal charges, though unrelated to Russian election meddling.
     
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Cohen, earlier today:
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
If you mean finding Trump colluded with the Russians, then nothing has surfaced so far. But the investigation's directive is to find Russian interference in the election.
This has largely become a question of how many levels of indirection there are. A lot of the discussion just focusses on whether there was a crime (i. e. a violation of law), and whether there is enough evidence to convict Trump. And you end up with a lot of things that in the court of public opinion are clear cut (“So his son and three other of his most senior campaign people meet with Russians, but Trump didn't know about any of it!?! Yeah, right.”). Or if his people acted Mafia-style in the interest of his boss on implied orders (“He's become a nuisance, I wish I didn't have to deal with him anymore.”).

That's why I believe it is his business dealings and his not-being-able-to-tell-the-truth* that could do Trump in.

* Trump's lying seems compulsory, he lies even when it is not necessary for him to do so.
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Bunch of GRU agents are facing arrest, if they ever set foot in US jurisdiction. Half of Trump's senior campaign staff are facing criminal charges, though unrelated to Russian election meddling.
That's the other thing: Trump has surrounded himself with shady characters and crooks, and feels very comfortable about that. (This includes former and current members of his Administration.) Again, not a crime in itself, but it shows what kind of person Trump is.
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Dec 5, 2018, 10:20 AM
 
I'm trying to figure out what Mueller end game looks like. It's clear that crimes have been committed. It's clear that Trump is involved in some shit. It's also clear that ~40% of the country believes the investigation is illegitimate.

At some point Trump is going to be in handcuffs. What happens then? More mail bombs? Riots? No matter what evidence is presented, a significant portion of the country won't accept it - Soros, Clintons, Deep State - someone manufactured this conspiracy and has usurped our government. I don't see anyone saying, "Well shit, I guess Trump was actually the bad guy after all!"

But Mueller knows that and is clearly taking his time in building the case. If there was a way that this could go down and gather support of some on-the-fence Trump supporters, what would it be?
     
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Dec 5, 2018, 11:29 AM
 
Video of him cheering the hookers peeing on the bed.

Basically proof will have to be irrefutable and embarrassing.

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Flynns sentencing memo came out last night. 19 interviews with SC investigation, spanning three investigations, all redacted. I'm guessing one involves The Gulen kidnapping business. Another his FARA violations.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Video of him cheering the hookers peeing on the bed.
What's the issue with that? Trump has all kinds of awesome sex with hot women. It's a selling point, not a problem. Evangelicals have proven over and over again that they'll fall in line, they're the only ones that theoretically would have a problem with it.

Basically proof will have to be irrefutable and embarrassing.
Not possible. Claim deepfakes.
     
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Dec 5, 2018, 12:40 PM
 
The access hollywood audio would have been enough to bury any other candidate but his base didn't care. it would have to be bad, and blatant, for them to give him up. Since they are overlooking his faults due to their abortion agenda, I think evidence of him paying a mistress to have an abortion is pretty much the only thing that will rock the base.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
At some point Trump is going to be in handcuffs.
Never gonna happen. At least, not while he's in the White House, and even then, I'm skeptical.

What happens then? More mail bombs? Riots?
Honestly, I'm somewhat surprised some nutter hasn't taken a potshot at Mueller yet.
(I guess it says something about the current state of the nation that such a thing really happening even crosses my mind.)
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
The access hollywood audio would have been enough to bury any other candidate but his base didn't care. it would have to be bad, and blatant, for them to give him up. Since they are overlooking his faults due to their abortion agenda, I think evidence of him paying a mistress to have an abortion is pretty much the only thing that will rock the base.
What evidence? Anything short of him specifically stating that he paid for an abortion and would do it again repeatedly would be discarded - lord knows they wouldn't trust anything a woman says, doctors can't easily share medical information, and any documents, testimonies, or other evidence is easily dismissed as a conspiracy by Soros, the Clintons, the DNC, Run D.M.C., etc.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
The access hollywood audio would have been enough to bury any other candidate but his base didn't care.
It helped immeasurably that Russia wikileaks immediately dumped emails to deprive the story of oxygen.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
What evidence? Anything short of him specifically stating that he paid for an abortion and would do it again repeatedly would be discarded - lord knows they wouldn't trust anything a woman says, doctors can't easily share medical information, and any documents, testimonies, or other evidence is easily dismissed as a conspiracy by Soros, the Clintons, the DNC, Run D.M.C., etc.
Tell me, have you had this conversation recently?
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
The access hollywood audio would have been enough to bury any other candidate but his base didn't care. it would have to be bad, and blatant, for them to give him up. Since they are overlooking his faults due to their abortion agenda, I think evidence of him paying a mistress to have an abortion is pretty much the only thing that will rock the base.
Having multiple affairs with porn stars and then paying them off should be way, way past acceptable for “conservative Christians”.

So I don't think they'd care even when we have proof that Trump pressured a woman to have an abortion. Trump's die hard supporters don't believe what the “main stream media” report, and even those reluctant Trump supporters would probably still maintain it was worth it given Trump's choices for Supreme Court Justices or the tax breaks. Even if we had tapes where Trump would discuss getting the Clinton and DNC emails from Russia with his son, his son-in-law and his then campaign head, and green light the whole deal personally, I don't believe this would be enough to tip people over.
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Tell me, have you had this conversation recently?
Trump gets arrested, do you see Chongo saying, "Welp, looks like I was wrong about Trump guys, sorry about that"? And Chongo's mellow. I was sitting next to a bunch of guys in Louisiana when they found out about the mail bombs to the Clintons, Obamas, CNN, etc. "CNN probably sent the bombs to themselves" was the immediate consensus.
     
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Having multiple affairs with porn stars and then paying them off should be way, way past acceptable for “conservative Christians”.
He's got deniability. Stormy's lawsuit didn't turn out well, and again - do you think Trump's supporters trust or care about what women have to say? Every time someone mentions MeToo or TimesUp or BelieveWomen the resounding response from the Right is "But what about the men??"
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Trump gets arrested, do you see Chongo saying, "Welp, looks like I was wrong about Trump guys, sorry about that"? And Chongo's mellow. I was sitting next to a bunch of guys in Louisiana when they found out about the mail bombs to the Clintons, Obamas, CNN, etc. "CNN probably sent the bombs to themselves" was the immediate consensus.
I was speculating this was coming from a Thanksgiving dinner conversation.

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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
He's got deniability. Stormy's lawsuit didn't turn out well, and again - do you think Trump's supporters trust or care about what women have to say? Every time someone mentions MeToo or TimesUp or BelieveWomen the resounding response from the Right is "But what about the men??"
I wouldn't call it deniability, although I understand what you mean. People want to “believe” Trump, because they don't want “the other side to win”. I put believe in quotation marks, because I think many people actually don't care. They see Me Too as a partisan movement, and hence, are against it. Some of them are the exact same people who blew a gasket because of Bill Clinton's sexual improprieties*. I can't help them. They equate Obama breaking some of his campaign promises with Trump's serial lies.

They don't want to see that the most likely reason that Trump has always surrounded himself with shady business people is that he himself is a shady business person. Or that he boasts about his sexual escapades because he is a serial philanderer. So how do you convince these people that common sense says that Donald Trump is exactly the person who you see in front of you? I have no idea.
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Trump gets arrested, do you see Chongo saying, "Welp, looks like I was wrong about Trump guys, sorry about that"? And Chongo's mellow. I was sitting next to a bunch of guys in Louisiana when they found out about the mail bombs to the Clintons, Obamas, CNN, etc. "CNN probably sent the bombs to themselves" was the immediate consensus.
That's the reason why I am really concerned: there are plenty of even smart people who immediately entertain the most ludicrous conspiracy theories and deny the most obvious truths. You see claims that George Soros paid hundreds of thousands of actors to be protestors. Or part of the caravan. Or that [insert latest racist attack] was a false flag operation. Or that people, who happen to be of a different opinion on tax law or gun control want North Korea-style communism or “hate America”.

I see small traces of this here and there, too, in Germany amongst my friends and family, but we still live in the same universe of facts.
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More worrying is they see catching Trump and associates doing illegal things as a gotcha to deligitimize him rather than a real problem, while simultaneously seeing the birthed controversy as legitimate and not resolved.
     
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More worrying is they see catching Trump and associates doing illegal things as a gotcha to deligitimize him rather than a real problem, while simultaneously seeing the birthed controversy as legitimate and not resolved.
For me this is part of the problem I have described in my earlier post: in the end, people see everything as a party politically motivated move and themselves act in a party political way. If Obama had introduced, say, huge tariffs on imports from close allies and important trading partners, Republicans and Republican voters would be up in arms. Of course, Obama never even considered doing that, of course.

What do you think is a way out of this conundrum? I'm asking because I seriously don't have a good answer.
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
He's got deniability. Stormy's lawsuit didn't turn out well ...
Stormy's lawsuit is on hold. She primarily sued Cohen, who pleaded the 5th in the federal criminal case. So the civil case was put on hold until the criminal case wraps.

Oh, and Stormy has since stated she didn't authorize also suing Trump. Perhaps because he failed the sign the contract. The contract that says it goes into force when all 3 parties sign.

I suspect Stormy will win her lawsuit, finding the contract invalid. But it could be years before the criminal case & appeals finish up.
     
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I also feel that Stormy Daniels's lawsuit is ultimately pretty pointless: even if the contract isn't found to be null and void, the story she was supposed to keep quiet about is out in the open.
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Absolutely nothing happening the past few days regarding Cohen, Flynn, or Maria Butina. Nothing. Witch hunt.
     
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It is now Roger Stones time in the barrel.
     
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Arrested by unpaid FBI agents, at that.

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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Arrested by unpaid FBI agents, at that.

Here's a handy chart for fans keeping score at home
How many were charged with "colluding with the Russian government"?

BTW, the the Podesta boys are getting a fresh look at since they were partners in Manaforts consulting company
     
 
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