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Oct 8, 2002, 03:13 PM
 
just found this over at macrumors.com. A browser based on mozilla that I've never heard or or seen. It's like Chimera and you can get it here-

http://www.concepthause.com/dev/

I grabbed the aqua version but it seems they have a brushed metal version as well. I'm posting this message from it, so far not bad. Chimera fans will like this.
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Oct 8, 2002, 03:28 PM
 
Originally posted by KidRed:
It's like Chimera
Well, it seems that they took Chimera and modified it.
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Oct 8, 2002, 03:31 PM
 
Originally posted by JLL:


Well, it seems that they took Chimera and modified it.
Weird, that outta tick some people off. Nothing else is different?

     
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Oct 8, 2002, 03:36 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:


Weird, that outta tick some people off. Nothing else is different?

Yep, will tick some people off, but you know... I like it. I haven't noticed anything REALLY different other than esthetics, but the Aqua version is very pleasing to the eye (at least mine...). i'm going to keep an eye out on this one.
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Oct 8, 2002, 03:38 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:


Weird, that outta tick some people off. Nothing else is different?

Why would this tick anyone off? Chimera is an open-source project.
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 03:40 PM
 
Originally posted by Parvulesco:


Why would this tick anyone off? Chimera is an open-source project.
No reason why of course. You're right it shouldn't. But remember the flap over Blobber and Beachball??
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Oct 8, 2002, 03:41 PM
 
So does this mean I can make my own back, forward, and reload icons, slap them on Chimera and rename it?

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Oct 8, 2002, 03:45 PM
 
Originally posted by swiz:
So does this mean I can make my own back, forward, and reload icons, slap them on Chimera and rename it?
LOL, no kidding.

     
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Oct 8, 2002, 05:46 PM
 
Originally posted by swiz:
So does this mean I can make my own back, forward, and reload icons, slap them on Chimera and rename it?
Technically, yes. That's what open-source means.

But the more polite way of doing things is to make your own back, forward & reload buttons and submit them to Chimera's maintainers with a request that they become the default.

(yeah, I know you were kidding, but I thought it worth pointing out the answer anyway)
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Oct 8, 2002, 05:52 PM
 
wow. it really is just chimera with a new interface. do they mention that anywhere on their site? or are they just pretending they did all the work.
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 06:11 PM
 
Originally posted by Ozmodiar:
wow. it really is just chimera with a new interface. do they mention that anywhere on their site? or are they just pretending they did all the work.
Nope, no mention of ANYTHING to do with Cunning on their website at all.
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Oct 8, 2002, 06:40 PM
 
I heard about this a few weeks ago, supposedly the pipelining is better, there is supposedly spelling enabled, history enabled, shortcuts for bookmark drawer in and out, speech compatibility, and stolen icons. But I didn't check it out for more than a second or two.
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 06:49 PM
 
The icons are indeed stolen. I think the Nav Buttons are Mikkel Madsen's work...
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 07:14 PM
 
Originally posted by tenchi71:


... i'm going to keep an eye out on this one.
Oooooh, that sounds painful
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 07:35 PM
 
Crashed on startup for me....
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 07:43 PM
 
Same for me too, no splash screen or anything. Oh well.
     
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Oct 8, 2002, 07:55 PM
 
For your information pple....it does state the authors of the icons:

"Cunning .5.1(v22)

2002 ConceptHaus Inc. except where indicated

Gecko Rendering Engine 2002 the Mozilla Organization
Throbber 2002 Benjamin <[email protected]>
App icon 2002 Hein Mevissen, http://www.mixthepix.com

Much love to MacManX and CNaughton for testing and feedback (...)"

So there you go, stop being prejudice. It also comes with Hein Mevissen's "Readme" file
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 05:27 AM
 
The reason for Cunning is because the folks behind Chimera are somewhat unresponsive to changes suggested by users. While they might have been in the earlier days of Chimera, they aren't as much now.

Or at least that's what I read on the Chimera forums. Something about ideas for changing certain UI elements went unheard, so some guy started implementing them and called it Cunning.



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Oct 9, 2002, 09:07 AM
 
No one else mentioned it so I thought I'd post it. When Cunning starts up it goes to http://www.chrisjdavis.ath.cx/ which has a little info and some screen shots of what is different between it and Chimera. Two changes I have noticed while typing this post are the size of the text in text areas (ie. the one I'm typing this post into) is much bigger than Chimera and the Submit/Preview buttons don't get that line through them that they do with Chimera under Jag. It might even scroll a bit better, then again that might just be an illusion.

edit: Found some more features/changes to list:
  • History appears to work, there are some history related option in the prefs.
    There is a popup blocking option in the prefs - haven't tested it though.
    There are fairly extensive privacy options (untested).
    Has option to store passwords in KeyChain which appears to work.
    Also has an ImageBlock pref button that doesn't work yet.
    Uses favicons in the Toolbar Boookmarks
    There is a keyboard shortcut to cycle tabs instead of next/prev tab
    There is a menu item, goto shortcut page that brings up a sheet asking what I wanted to search Google for, after entering something it went straight to the Google results.
    Close Window has a different keyboard shortcut to close tab
Well that's it for now to my knowledge the aboce are differences to Chimera but I could be wrong.

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Oct 9, 2002, 10:48 AM
 
Recent Chimera nightly builds also have the popup blocking preference item, KeyChain storage of passwords, and the ability to show a History tab by adding a line to the prefs.js file.

Addendum: I'm using it right now. No new functional preferences. One new feature - when importing bookmarks, it asks you whether you want to allow cookies for several of the sites (but not all). This is with the prefs set to ask about new cookies.
It is slower to load a page with new cookies than Chimera. And what a butt-ugly app icon!
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Oct 9, 2002, 11:48 AM
 
Yeah, that icon is rather not "Cunning"....how does a slime green big-eyed Octopus relate to an internet browser?

     
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Oct 9, 2002, 11:56 AM
 
Downloaded it this morning and it seems to zip along fine, no problems so far.
Is there a way of importing my Chimera bookmarks and can i change the look from brushed metal to aqua without downloading the aqua version.
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Oct 9, 2002, 01:22 PM
 
That green thing would be one of those icons this guy didn't make.

So, take a lot of different things other people have done, tweak a few elements, and release it as your own. I seem to remember someone else doing this...
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 01:27 PM
 
Originally posted by Ozmodiar:
That green thing would be one of those icons this guy didn't make.

So, take a lot of different things other people have done, tweak a few elements, and release it as your own. I seem to remember someone else doing this...
If done with the permission of the others or within the rules the other stuff was released than that is fine. Why do you assume otherwise? Just be happy someone is "tweaking" for you at all.
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Oct 9, 2002, 01:53 PM
 
Crashes on startup on two different Macs running 10.2.1
No splash...
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Oct 9, 2002, 02:22 PM
 
Originally posted by Developer:
If done with the permission of the others or within the rules the other stuff was released than that is fine. Why do you assume otherwise? Just be happy someone is "tweaking" for you at all.
They don't seem to mention Chimera anywhere - only Gecko.
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Oct 9, 2002, 02:30 PM
 
Originally posted by chezpaul:
Crashes on startup on two different Macs running 10.2.1
No splash...
Did you install the new Real Player? As mentioned in another thread, Chimera also crashes on startup if you have the new Real Player plugin.
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Oct 9, 2002, 02:42 PM
 
works pretty well for me - it's Chimera+ a few added features.
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 05:50 PM
 
Originally posted by Mactoid:
Did you install the new Real Player? As mentioned in another thread, Chimera also crashes on startup if you have the new Real Player plugin.
That's strange. I have the new Real Player installed but Chimera still starts up fine. I don't get it. Maybe it'll get fixed in the next release.
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 05:52 PM
 
Originally posted by Mactoid:
Did you install the new Real Player? As mentioned in another thread, Chimera also crashes on startup if you have the new Real Player plugin.

I have the new Real Player...Chimera still runs fine...the Cunning Browser crashes on startup before it gets to the splashscreen.
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 05:59 PM
 
Originally posted by jules:



I have the new Real Player...Chimera still runs fine...the Cunning Browser crashes on startup before it gets to the splashscreen.
Yep, after I removed the new RealOne B2 plugin, Cunning worked.
BTW... at least on my system, Cunning does not have a splash screen at start. And I haven't done anything to it. I swear!
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Oct 9, 2002, 06:03 PM
 
After using it for a while, I concluded that it generally loads pages a bit slower than Chimera. The text rendering looks marginally better, but overall I doubt I'll be using Cunning very much.
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Oct 9, 2002, 06:24 PM
 
This basically is a tweaked chimera.
With stolen ( and ugly ) icons.
The octopus icon is (c) Hein Mevissen.
Interesting..
I also noticed scolling is a bit faster.. hmmm..
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 06:44 PM
 
Cunning crashes on startup for me, too. Can someone post a screenshot?
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 08:30 PM
 
Why can't he just put both metal and aqua in the same damn app? Stupid having to download two to see what they are like.
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Oct 9, 2002, 10:00 PM
 
God you people are stupid. Read the thread - it answers all of your questions.

1) Delete the RealPlayer plugins from your plug-ins folder to make the latest Chimera and Cunning to work.

2) It's not stolen - it has credit for the icons, for using Chimera code (since its open source anyway you moron)...
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 11:02 PM
 
Originally posted by CheesePuff:
God you people are stupid. Read the thread - it answers all of your questions.

1) Delete the RealPlayer plugins from your plug-ins folder to make the latest Chimera and Cunning to work.

2) It's not stolen - it has credit for the icons, for using Chimera code (since its open source anyway you moron)...
I second what he just said. Also I renamed the app to "Webmuncher" just goes with the icon I prefer the interface icons on the brushed version but I use Demetallifizer to do just that.... Anyone know how I can actually and completely rename tha app?? I prefer Webmuncher than Cunning
     
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Oct 9, 2002, 11:21 PM
 
Originally posted by Dace:
I prefer Webmuncher than Cunning
That is way too much like assmuncher for me, but I am having one of my immature days
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Oct 10, 2002, 02:25 AM
 
I've been using Cunning and I like it better than Chimera.

It has a useful stickies pad which you can paste text into, nicer icons, hideable toolbars, smooth scrolling and the history function actually works.

I don't care if it's a rip off, I'm sticking with it.
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Oct 10, 2002, 02:53 AM
 
Only problems i've had so far are:
1.Slow to launch homepage, seems to take forever.
2.When holding down the dock icon all my favourites are listed.
3. When typing text sometimes disapears and then reapears.
Other than that it's okay for an early release.
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Oct 10, 2002, 04:49 AM
 
This is just a blatent rip of Chimera, anyone can download the dev tools and do this:

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/OSX36.jpg

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/SearchHack.jpg

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/SearchHack2.gif

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/ChimeraCrystal.jpg

The guy doesn't mention Chimera anywhere when he's clearly just downloaded the latest nightly (to get all of those so called features like keychain access etc) and opened it in Interface builder.

The search "feature" is a single line, in the latest Chimera there is a search box in the prefs, enter this:

javascript:Qr=document.getSelection();if(!Qr){void (Qr=prompt('What do you want to search for on Google?',''))};if(Qr)location.href='http://google.com/search?query='+escape(Qr)+'&num=10&sa='


and that will implement that amazing search feature.

The guy is disillusioned thinking he's created an entire new browser.
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Oct 10, 2002, 08:53 AM
 
Originally posted by dazzla:
This is just a blatent rip of Chimera, anyone can download the dev tools and do this:

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/OSX36.jpg

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/SearchHack.jpg

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/SearchHack2.gif

http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla/Public/ChimeraCrystal.jpg

The guy doesn't mention Chimera anywhere when he's clearly just downloaded the latest nightly (to get all of those so called features like keychain access etc) and opened it in Interface builder.

The search "feature" is a single line, in the latest Chimera there is a search box in the prefs, enter this:

javascript:Qr=document.getSelection();if(!Qr){void (Qr=prompt('What do you want to search for on Google?',''))};if(Qr)location.href='http://google.com/search?query='+escape(Qr)+'&num=10&sa='


and that will implement that amazing search feature.

The guy is disillusioned thinking he's created an entire new browser.
The guy has implemented the keychain thing before it was in a Chimera nightly, the 'notepad' Idea for the spellchecking is his idea also (a major drawback with the Chimera browser is the lack of the spellchecker, built in to the OS. I thought both Carbon & Coca(?SP) could now use OS Services in 10.2?) It seams to be a bit more than Chimera with a .nib hack.

The chrashing on startup with RealPlayer, is an issue with the plugin, and nightly builds. if you delete the plugin then run RealPlayer it will recreate the plugin and connect it with the NEW version of Chimera.
RealPlayer must attach the plugin to the browser somehow, and with the nightly's being 'same but different' it must have a fit and crash the browser.
     
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Oct 10, 2002, 12:39 PM
 
Originally posted by ambush:
This basically is a tweaked chimera.
With stolen ( and ugly ) icons.
The octopus icon is (c) Hein Mevissen.
Interesting..
I also noticed scolling is a bit faster.. hmmm..
Read about 10 posts above yours for-
For your information pple....it does state the authors of the icons:

"Cunning .5.1(v22)

2002 ConceptHaus Inc. except where indicated

Gecko Rendering Engine 2002 the Mozilla Organization
Throbber 2002 Benjamin <[email protected]>
App icon 2002 Hein Mevissen, http://www.mixthepix.com

Much love to MacManX and CNaughton for testing and feedback (...)"

So there you go, stop being prejudice. It also comes with Hein Mevissen's "Readme" file
Can we get off the stolen icons trip now?
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Oct 10, 2002, 03:45 PM
 
Originally posted by CheesePuff:
God you people are stupid.... It's not stolen - it has credit for the icons, for using Chimera code (since its open source anyway you moron)....
The terms of the Mozilla Public License, which Chimera is distributed under, state:

Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted Electronic Distribution Mechanism to anyone to whom you made an Executable version available....
This means the author of Cunning is obligated to distribute the source for the modifications he made.

Finally, even if you give credit for something, you have to get permission to use it. It's not clear whether the author of Cunning did this for the icons.
     
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Oct 10, 2002, 04:06 PM
 
Can we get off the stolen icons trip now?
No.

God you people are stupid.... It's not stolen - it has credit for the icons, for using Chimera code (since its open source anyway you moron)....

Hey, I'm not sure if you noticed but he also uses a Matthew Bice "toolbar" icon (www.iheartny.com/xicons).

From Bice's site:
These icons were created for personal use only. Please ask permission before distributing them or displaying them in any public forum. Under no circumstances may these icon sets be bought or sold, or distributed in an incomplete form or without proper documentation.

Who's the "moron" now, uh?
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Oct 10, 2002, 04:13 PM
 
Originally posted by ambush:


Who's the "moron" now, uh?
The crazy monkey sitting behind you, about to pounce.


edit: whats "uh"?
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Oct 10, 2002, 04:15 PM
 
Originally posted by hyperizer:
The terms of the Mozilla Public License, which Chimera is distributed under, state:

This means the author of Cunning is obligated to distribute the source for the modifications he made.
I don't know about Chimera, but most of Mozilla is tri-licensed under the MPL/GPL/LGPL. Even so, he would be modifying Chimera itself, which means that under the terms of any of those agreements he'd be obligated to release his changes.
     
   
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