[philzilla]

The Darkness. utterly pathetic, how so many people have been sucked in by them.
Coldplay too. miserable bunch of girls, pull yourself together!

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by philzilla:
Coldplay too. miserable bunch of girls, pull yourself together!

Isn't that what all rock bands are like?

[sanity assassin]

Originally posted by philzilla:
The Darkness.

I just heard them for the first time the other day, it's the kind of music you'd probably use for a car boot sale advert.

[James Christ]

Originally posted by philzilla:
The Darkness. utterly pathetic, how so many people have been sucked in by them.
Coldplay too. miserable bunch of girls, pull yourself together!

But The Darkness is parody, not a proper band. And they do parody well, like Austin Powers does 60s spy spoof well.

Coldplay's Martin really is the shittest singer tho. All that croaking and wailing.

[James Christ]

Linkin Park, Helmet, the modern Metallica, 9 Inch nails, - music for overweight sugarfed kids who think they're tough and luv those wrestling matches.

[MindFad]

That's, like, a generalization or something.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by James Christ:
Linkin Park, Helmet, the modern Metallica, 9 Inch nails, - music for overweight sugarfed kids who think they're tough and luv those wrestling matches.

Linkin Park: Agreed
Helmet: Agreed
Mod. Met: Agreed

But NIN... Back off !!!

[Crusoe]

Originally posted by The Placid Casual:
Coldplay.

The same song over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over...

(I have seen them live a few times and they were just as bad in the flesh)

Along with U2, too many songs use the same freaking chords.

Metallica was fine till Cliff died.

Dylan and Neil Young should have wrote songs but should not have been allowed to sing.

My vote though Nirvana.

Don't mess with the Zep, though LZ4 is my least favorite album, LZ1 in '69 is still ahead of it's time. Heck I wasn't born yet.

[MacGorilla]

Nirvana. Kurt Cobain was talented guy but c'mon.

[James Christ]

Let's All Grow Goaties And Make Scary Faces!

That's a good name for a band with no originality.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Crusoe:
Dylan and Neil Young should have wrote songs but should not have been allowed to sing.

Thank you.

I find myself in the same split - it's impossible to discount their achievements, talent, and influence, but I really can't stand to hear them sing.

They're not "overrated" though. I don't think it's possible to overrate Dylan.

-s*

[sanity assassin]

Tom Jones and all those so-called 'hip' (damn, did i just usethat word?) British bands who thought it was cool to use him in their songs.

The old fart has a voice that sounds like a student has just thrown a drum kit down a flight of stairs.

[xenu]

I alo vote Nirvana. Yawn.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by xenu:
I alo vote Nirvana. Yawn.

He was ahead of his time, and was an original. You can't knock that, it wouldn't be right.

[yukon]

not rock, but Aphex Twin, the most overrated underrated talent.

Overrated rock, hmm....Bon Jovi/Van Halen? Underrated, not sure, I'm just getting into rock.

I still listen to Zeppelin, only 1.4gb of that on my HD.

[d4nth3m4n]

creed. and the rest of the crap that you see on the tube.

[Cipher13]

Of course... how could I forget Nirvana and The Darkness?

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Nirvana ahead of its time?!?! Original?!? You people need to start listening to more good music.

Neither ahead of its time, NOR particularly original. Just pure genius.



greg

[Geo669]

Originally posted by ShortcutToMoncton:
Nirvana ahead of its time?!?! Original?!? You people need to start listening to more good music.

Neither ahead of its time, NOR particularly original. Just pure genius.



greg

Nirvana are one of the most talented, and greatest bands ever.
How dare you call them overrated.

There music is original, and the lyrics cryptic.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Geo669:
Nirvana are one of the most talented, and greatest bands ever.
How dare you call them overrated.

There music is original, and the lyrics cryptic.

Man, who cut you a check? I like Nirvana, but I'm not gonna go all music label intern on your asses.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally posted by Geo669:
Nirvana are one of the most talented, and greatest bands ever.
How dare you call them overrated.

I didn't. I love them. In Utero is in my top-5 albums ever.



greg

[Geo669]

I think you guys kinda took me too seriously.

I mean Nirvana is in my all time, and are not overrated.

But dont take offense to what i said.

Were just chatting.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by yukon:
not rock, but Aphex Twin, the most overrated underrated talent.

That's kind of Aphex in a nutshell isn't it. Sometimes I sit there wondering whether what I'm hearing isn't just ****...but in the end, judgement always ends up at "brilliant".

I think occasionally he just takes the piss.

-s*

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Geo669:
Nirvana are one of the most talented, and greatest bands ever.
How dare you call them overrated.

There music is original, and the lyrics cryptic.

So cryptic = good? What if, in their case, cryptic = nonsense? I'm not saying that's the case, but you seem to just be praising the fact that they talk a lot of ****, and automatically assume it "means" something.

Either way, how dare you take offense to somebody's opinion as such? Just because you think they're so wonderful... well, doesn't mean they are.

My favourite band right now is a barely-known local all-girl 3-piece outfit; I think they're amazing - no doubt, a lot of people don't share my views. That doesn't mean they're wrong, nor I.

Nirvana are overrated, in my opinion; do I respond with "How dare you praise Nirvana!"? No.

[xenu]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
He was ahead of his time, and was an original. You can't knock that, it wouldn't be right.

Well, I disagree, but that's just my opinion.

[tterp]

Most overrated band: Nirvana!
Most overrated musician: Kirk Hammet!

/tterp

[Zoom_zoom]

Hmm I would say the Vines.

All hype, can't sing, and the same music on every song!

[chris v]

Originally posted by Patrick:
But Montrose was cool. That was before my time, so if I don't know what I'm talking about, feel free to correct me.

Consider yourself corrected.

Hackneyed chord progressions, banal, trite lyrics, just like everything else Hagar was associated with.

CV

[Geo669]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
So cryptic = good? What if, in their case, cryptic = nonsense? I'm not saying that's the case, but you seem to just be praising the fact that they talk a lot of ****, and automatically assume it "means" something.

Either way, how dare you take offense to somebody's opinion as such? Just because you think they're so wonderful... well, doesn't mean they are.

My favourite band right now is a barely-known local all-girl 3-piece outfit; I think they're amazing - no doubt, a lot of people don't share my views. That doesn't mean they're wrong, nor I.

Nirvana are overrated, in my opinion; do I respond with "How dare you praise Nirvana!"? No.

Like i said dude, i think you kinda took my comments too seriously.

Each to his own. i supose

[Link]

Personally I think all rock/metal/whatever is overrated.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Link:
Personally I think all rock/metal/whatever is overrated.

Your opinion stems from complete ignorance.

I bet you think Linkin Park is metal, too.

[Luca Rescigno]

Originally posted by Link:
Personally I think all rock/metal/whatever is overrated.

But you can't just lump it all into one category. There's pop, metal, hard rock, alternative, classic rock, punk, and a lot more categories and sub-categories. It's very closed-minded to consider Eric Clapton (classic rock) to be in the same category as Slipknot (death metal). Yeah, both ultimately stem from a huge overarching genre called "rock," but you can't compare them any better than you can compare a guppy to a great white shark.

Oh, and the most overrated bands? Creed, Linkin Park, and basically all of those cookie-cutter angst-ridden punk bands. At least with those super-intense bands like Slipknot and Mudvayne, you know exactly what to expect when you listen to their music. With Creed, though, it's always some asshole who thinks he's somehow great or holy (literally, the guy poses like Jesus constantly) singing about some bullsh*t "emotional" or "powerful" subject. They've got PHONY written all over them.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Your opinion stems from complete ignorance.

I bet you think Linkin Park is metal, too.

Well, he is Link. Everything he says is stupid.

He probably listens to boy bands.

[Link]

In reply to PowerMacMan:

Does this sound like boy band music? It's the most played stuff in my itunes playlist:

Candy Dulfer - Finsbury Park, Cafe 67
Marc Antoine - New York Strolling
Paul Taylor - On the Move
Chris Botti - Indian Summer
Ronny Jordan - Summer Smile
Bona Fide - X-ray Hip
Antonio Jobim - Desafinado
Santana - Black Magic Woman
Sade - By Your Side
Wayman Tisdale - Can't hide love

Does ANY of that classify as "boy band" music?

And I am wrong for dropping rock into one big category, admittedly there's some awesome stuff in that group, but the uber popular punk stuff gets old fast.

As for you, PoweMacMan: I find your constant misjudgment, following me around to flame my posts, and deformating me downright hilarious. Your devotion to constantly mocking me is honorable.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Link:
If you want an example of total music ignorance go to iTMS' jazz store.

Their first 2 on the top 10 aren't even jazz. (Norah Jones? Come now).

Sure, I'll get you mad about classifying all sorts of rock into one genre..

That's what people do with jazz

Bona Fide and John Coltrane have very little to do with each other... about as much as Linkin Park and Eric Clapton

Metal is terribly easy to make. Just grab an expensive guitar, distort the living crap out of it, and yell at the top of your lungs 95% profanity.

I've been told before that accounts for the small section of metal or whatnot that consists of rednecks and old firebirds, so I can't really say ALL rock is bad..

PS: I can't stand pop music. My brother on the other hand LOVES that garbage.

You hit that edit button a little too slowly... here's the original post.

Metal is terribly easy to make? Sigh. I won't even bother saying anything to that, except to download The Odyssey, by Symphony X.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Link:
In reply to PowerMacMan:

Does this sound like boy band music? It's the most played stuff in my itunes playlist:

[easy-listening internet penis stuff deleted]

Does ANY of that classify as "boy band" music?

Dude.

Nobody cares.

But if you post idiotic flame-bait like "Personally I think all rock/metal/whatever is overrated" to a forum where you KNOW that a bunch of people have been involved with the stuff at least twice as long as you have, some of them actively, prepare to get flamed and be called an idiot.

Idiot.

-s*

P.S.: I liked your original post version better.
PPS: Sade is pop. Always has been. In fact, quite a bit of what you posted was "pop" at the time.

[Link]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
PPS: Sade is pop. Always has been. In fact, quite a bit of what you posted was "pop" at the time.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by Link:
In reply to PowerMacMan:

Does this sound like boy band music? It's the most played stuff in my itunes playlist:

Candy Dulfer - Finsbury Park, Cafe 67
Marc Antoine - New York Strolling
Paul Taylor - On the Move
Chris Botti - Indian Summer
Ronny Jordan - Summer Smile
Bona Fide - X-ray Hip
Antonio Jobim - Desafinado
Santana - Black Magic Woman
Sade - By Your Side
Wayman Tisdale - Can't hide love

Does ANY of that classify as "boy band" music?

No, it just sounds like your taste sucks. I'm sorry for the misjudgement.

And I am wrong for dropping rock into one big category, admittedly there's some awesome stuff in that group, but the uber popular punk stuff gets old fast.

Yes, you were wrong. And according to your unedited post that Cipher managed to quote you on, you're still wrong.

As for you, PoweMacMan: I find your constant misjudgment, following me around to flame my posts, and deformating me downright hilarious. Your devotion to constantly mocking me is honorable.

Shut up hippy. I don't like you.

If your posts weren't so annoying, I wouldn't have to confront you. And if your annoying posts were only confined to the lounge, I wouldn't run into you as often. But no, you have to make annoying posts in the hardware forums telling people that they are sheep for having Microsoft peripherals in the Power Mac/PowerBook picture threads.

No, I don't stalk you. I just hunt stupid people.

[Chemmy]

Nirvana isn't overrated because they singlehandedly killed 80s rock, and brought punk to the mainstream in the form of grunge. They're an important band as far as the evolution of pop-rock goes.

Originally posted by AutoJC:
At the top of my list is Jesus and Mary Chain, an alternative band popular in the early 90's. Noise that masquerades for talent.

Your opinion is incorrect.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Chemmy:
Nirvana isn't overrated because they singlehandedly killed 80s rock, and brought punk to the mainstream in the form of grunge. They're an important band as far as the evolution of pop-rock goes.
Your opinion is incorrect.

Chemmy,

You have put into words the greatness that was Nirvanna.

Thank you.

[icemank121]

Overrated: Green Day
Underrated: Alkaline Trio (My fav band)

[zigzag]

Originally posted by DBursey:
Talent-wise, I'd have to finger the Rolling Stones as one of the most overrated bands ever.

I saw them at the Downsview concert last summer in Toronto. They were eclipsed by the other talent sharing the headline. AC/DC in particular put on an excellent show at that event. The Stones performance, by contrast, was rather a disappointment.

The Stones are / were a mediocre band whose initial success IMO was derived from being at the right place at the right time with the 'right' image. That, or else Keith Richards sold his soul to the dark lord in 1962.

Insofar as they've overstayed their welcome and become a self-parody, The Stones are certainly overrated, but to most of those who were there when it was really happening, they were sensational, the greatest ever. That includes everyone from Bowie to Patti Smith.

I also know people who don't understand what the big deal is about The Beatles. If you weren't there, it's hard to grasp how new and exciting it all was. But The Beatles are certainly more accessible than The Stones or Dylan.

[Cipher13]

Oh, hell yes, The Rolling Stones... overrated as all hell. Greenday, same - they're goddamn horrible.

I just remembered another one though - Kiss. WTF? On a different note, if those guys could cut their dicks off and sell them, they would.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by zigzag:
I also know people who don't understand what the big deal is about The Beatles. If you weren't there, it's hard to grasp how new and exciting it all was. But The Beatles are certainly more accessible than The Stones or Dylan.

Best. Songwriting. Evar.*)

If you look at musical history, the Beatles pretty much kicked off everything that has been pop music since then - both in terms of production technique (much of which they - I include George Martin, of course - revolutionized) and in terms of songwriting. Most of what sounds so familiar about Beatles records didn't even exist prior to them.

That's what many don't get - clich�e wasn't always clich�e. There is stuff so commonplace that you don't realize that someone at some point actually had to go *invent* it...

-s*

*) there is Gershwin, of course.

[tterp]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Chemmy,

You have put into words the greatness that was Nirvanna.

Thank you.

Indeed he did, but at the same time he put into words ALL that NIrvana ever was and ever will be...

And one could even argue that the rock bands of the 1980-95 killed them self off with delayed shows, too drunk to play, scandals etc. That would leave Nirvana with out any reason d�etre and legacy... And now as the decandent rock n' roll is slowly returning Nirvana won�t be there to stop them... thank God!

Underrated band: Foo Fighters - they kick Nirvanas butt in any way, both songwriting wise and musically, but will never get the recognition Nirvana got!

/tterp

[Malt Magics]

Originally posted by Link:
In reply to PowerMacMan:

Does this sound like boy band music? It's the most played stuff in my itunes playlist:

Candy Dulfer - Finsbury Park, Cafe 67
Marc Antoine - New York Strolling
Paul Taylor - On the Move
Chris Botti - Indian Summer
Ronny Jordan - Summer Smile
Bona Fide - X-ray Hip
Antonio Jobim - Desafinado
Santana - Black Magic Woman
Sade - By Your Side
Wayman Tisdale - Can't hide love

Does ANY of that classify as "boy band" music?

And I am wrong for dropping rock into one big category, admittedly there's some awesome stuff in that group, but the uber popular punk stuff gets old fast.

As for you, PoweMacMan: I find your constant misjudgment, following me around to flame my posts, and deformating me downright hilarious. Your devotion to constantly mocking me is honorable.

Jobim




if you like Jobim, listen to Stan Getz, Bebel Gilberto, or Esquivel, just to name a few...

and Suba!

[tterp]

Originally posted by James Christ:
But The Darkness is parody, not a proper band. And they do parody well, like Austin Powers does 60s spy spoof well.

In a black and white world yes! They are not a parody, they are tongue in cheek at most - it a european thing, i wouldn�t expect americans to get it...

/tterp

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally posted by tterp:
Underrated band: Foo Fighters - they kick Nirvanas butt in any way, both songwriting wise and musically, but will never get the recognition Nirvana got!

/tterp

The Foo Fighters write polished POP-ROCK for the masses. Besides the first album, everything since then has been nicely produced, with great hooks and absolute radio playability. I'm not saying this is a bad thing...but you'll never find a great song like tourettes or Milk It on a Foo album.

80s rock had become overproduced and pompous by '88. Nevermind blew the doors off that shi�e, and for me In Utero absolutely stomped them in the dust.

...Foo Fighters underrated?! They're one of the biggest rock groups in North America, if not the world!!!!

[zigzag]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
If you look at musical history, the Beatles pretty much kicked off everything that has been pop music since then - both in terms of production technique (much of which they - I include George Martin, of course - revolutionized) and in terms of songwriting. Most of what sounds so familiar about Beatles records didn't even exist prior to them.

That's what many don't get - clich�e wasn't always clich�e. There is stuff so commonplace that you don't realize that someone at some point actually had to go *invent* it...

Yes, that's the word I was looking for - commonplace. As you suggest, what The Beatles invented is now so commonplace that some people have trouble seeing what the fuss is about. It's understandable, but, at least in terms of historical importance, it's pretty difficult to overrate them.

[Jansar]

Originally posted by tterp:
Underrated band: Foo Fighters - they kick Nirvanas butt in any way, both songwriting wise and musically, but will never get the recognition Nirvana got!

Foo Fighters aren't really that underrated. They're good and they definitely get the recognition. Nirvana happened to help start the alternative revolution, and that's mostly what they got recognized for.

A lot of people happened to mention Led Zeppelin as being overrated...but guess what? That's because they're actually good. Many have tried to emulate Jimmy Page on the guitar without success. Especially for their time, they were way ahead of everyone else, so many other newer rock bands looked up to them.

Now, if we're really talking about overrated bands, I mean c'mon...look at about 95% of the popular bands today. We've got Britney Spears, just about every R&B band, etc, who don't write their own songs and they cannot perform (and I'm talking sans eye-candy technology, voice alterations, and backup dancers - all that crap).

Most new rock bands are decent and can perform unplugged, with the exception of punk rock (which I'm not too fond of).