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Sep 5, 2016, 01:11 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Not the pin, the badge... also, listen to what he says to her during that one speech, it sounds exactly like what a trauma counselor would say to a patient.
This is the picture in question, correct?



The badge around his neck is the indicator? In the video, the vlogger cuts to a closeup on the pin.

Regardless, the pin in the other pic is pretty clearly a Secret Service pin. If the claim is he's not Secret Service, there needs to be an explanation of why there are photos of him with a pin.

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Sep 5, 2016, 01:19 AM
 
Here's the other pic I came across. It's not as high res as I'd like, but the pins on the guys with suits look the same at this resolution.

     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
This is the picture in question, correct?



The badge around his neck is the indicator? In the video, the vlogger cuts to a closeup on the pin.

Regardless, the pin in the other pic is pretty clearly a Secret Service pin. If the claim is he's not Secret Service, there needs to be an explanation of why there are photos of him with a pin.

(Just finished rehearsal, and am heading home)
She was talking about the pin, which is just a SS pin, but *I* was talking about the badge (on the lanyard around his neck, which no one else is wearing), which appears to have an EMT logo on it. Also, see the syringe?

Also, there's his actions during the speech (when she zoned out), which isn't SS behavior, it's what a crisis counselor would say and do.

@2:14 of the first video:

Hillary: *Panicked silence while she looks around, appearing to not know where she is and seems to almost go rigid. Then EMT/SS guy frightens her as he rushes the podium. Then he reassures her by patting her on the back.*
EMT/SS agent: "You're okay. Keep talking, you can handle it. We're not going anywhere."
Hillary: *Then she snaps out of whatever trance she was in* "Okay... Here we are!" *nervous laughter*
EMT/SS agent: "Keep talking, man, keep talking!"
Hillary: "We'll keep talking!" (as she repeats his orders)

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Sep 5, 2016, 01:50 AM
 
Just got home, and will watch the video in a second. I may be tipsy.

Is there still a question he's Secret Service? I'm not saying he isn't an EMT, I'm saying there's a bunch of evidence he's Secret Service.

The badge around his neck seems like a plain ID badge. Aren't EMT badges usually red?
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 02:00 AM
 
I rewatched it.

You are 100% correct I misheard it, but I question her "trance" just happening to coincide with a protester doing their protester deal.

There is no behavior here I see which doesn't match up with the Secret Service dealing with a potential threat. I'd wait to see what was up, too.
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 05:01 AM
 
FFS.

You two are picking over "evidence" from a youtube video made by a valley girl for crying out loud. Keep looking on youtube, you'll find that alien lizards are really in charge of everything and your debating badges and syringes is all for nought.

She doesn't even have "an episode". Someone distracts her, she stops talking for a sec, then she starts again as if nothing happened after getting the ok that whatever is going on that we can't see isn't some maniac Trump supporter with a gun or a bomb vest.

Get a grip.
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Sep 5, 2016, 12:43 PM
 
I know. **** me for trying to give things a fair hearing.
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 12:51 PM
 
It's pretty funny to me that the YouTube's lead piece of evidence was the comical double-take, calling that a seizure.

Yes, she had a seizure coincidently at the exact time that people asked her silly questions giving an opening for the comical reaction, she managed to stay on her feet, her arms and legs remained in control, she made no noises, and she recovered just in time to respond. A seizure? Are you guys mental?

Seriously, what is wrong with you people? You have years and years and years of legitimate substantive material to use that many on the left would be completely empathetic to and might actually align with you on, and you choose material like this? Are you trying to lose the election? You realize this is exactly what you tried against Obama - the throw all of your spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, despite a good portion of this being complete and utter fluff? You could argue that you had to do that against Obama because there wasn't any dirt on him being relatively inexperienced.

Clinton is not inexperienced. She has years and years and years and years of material to work with. Talk about Benghazi some more, or her emails some more. Talk about any of the stuff that was used against her by Bernie Sanders and Obama. Talk about her record as secretary of state. Talk about her record on war, including her Iraq war vote. Talk about establishment politics. Talk about her taking money from Wall St. Talk about Bill Clinton. Talk about her Goldman Sachs speeches.

Jesus Christ, she is a complete gift to you guys in substantive red meat.

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Sep 5, 2016, 01:00 PM
 
I'm being harsh because you guys are smart. It is up to smart people like you to help stimulate intelligent conversation out there, not feed the idiot circus brigade.

Our country is not going to heal itself being fed with tabloid-style stories like this.
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 01:26 PM
 
Yes... bring on the healing power of "**** you for what you're talking about".
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 01:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I'm being harsh because you guys are smart. It is up to smart people like you to help stimulate intelligent conversation out there, not feed the idiot circus brigade.

Our country is not going to heal itself being fed with tabloid-style stories like this.
Like I said before, Hillary can't claim stupid because she hit her head, then claim all is well. While her "Cold Chai Brain freezes" are a serious issue because there are lingering affects from her concussion, there is the even more serious issue with the coverup of the deletion of material under subpoena. Could be the Clinton campaign itself is feeding this issue with her health to distract from the coming Wikileaks release. I can say one thing, if Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman had that same "cold chai brain freeze" you would be calling them bat sh t crazy and Saying they had brain damage.
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Sep 5, 2016, 01:53 PM
 
Still waiting for Hillary's salute to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
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Sep 5, 2016, 02:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Still waiting for Hillary's salute to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
'She's not presidential! She's not pandering to MY special interest group!"
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 02:41 PM
 
And it should be noted St. Terry isn't exactly universally admired.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
'She's not presidential! She's not pandering to MY special interest group!"
Come on, the Clintons are Pander Bears extraordinaire, just ask former Senator Tsongas. Heck, Trump already posted his YouTube salute.


That brain damage has made a slacker out of her.
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Sep 5, 2016, 03:01 PM
 
Tsongas?

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

A long time.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
FFS. You two are picking over "evidence" from a youtube video made by a valley girl for crying out loud. Keep looking on youtube, you'll find that alien lizards are really in charge of everything and your debating badges and syringes is all for nought.
Blair White, a "valley girl" trans-woman (so she tends to overemphasize being feminine, because she's still transitioning), who just so happens to have a Master's in criminology. Try not to be a bigot. Thanks.
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Sep 5, 2016, 03:12 PM
 
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It's pretty funny to me that the YouTube's lead piece of evidence was the comical double-take, calling that a seizure.
That's not even the instance we've been talking about. Fail.
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Sep 5, 2016, 03:24 PM
 
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That's not even the instance we've been talking about. Fail.
It came up in another thread, and it's all part of the same basic campaign of fluff. I don't remember who here was a part of that campaign, but I'm sure this thread exists because I learned about this "issue" from this forum.
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 03:37 PM
 
I would expect the bulk of the people in this thread, except for Chongo, to vote for Johnson or Stein, because this seems like the only rational choice that supports your stated belief systems.

There aren't really any swing states this election so far, except for Iowa, so what do you have to lose?
     
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Sep 5, 2016, 04:00 PM
 
As I've said, I'm voting for Johnson because my state isn't in play.

If that wasn't the case, I'd vote "colossal ass-reaming", which is the technical term for Hillary Clinton.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I would expect the bulk of the people in this thread, except for Chongo, to vote for Johnson or Stein, because this seems like the only rational choice that supports your stated belief systems.

There aren't really any swing states this election so far, except for Iowa, so what do you have to lose?
Is this what it boils down to?

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Sep 5, 2016, 04:17 PM
 
ALERT ALERT

Mystery hacking cough makes it reemergence.



This will be the new Fluffy Cough Alert
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Sep 5, 2016, 04:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Is this what it boils down to?

Existentially shallow Trump analysis.

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Mystery hacking cough makes it reemergence.

That was a really uncomfortable four minutes of video.

Holy shit. I feel bad for her.

ProTip: point the mic away when that's happening.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Existentially shallow Trump analysis.

Rates about a 0.2 on the Dank-O-Meter.
Yet, it's Trump said this, Trump said that.
The other is Trump is racist. If this is true, why did Jesse have such nice things to say about Trump? Come to think of it, I haven't seen Jesse on tv since this clip surfaced.


Was this before or after the debates?.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
That was a really uncomfortable four minutes of video.

Holy shit. I feel bad for her.

ProTip: point the mic away when that's happening.
And make sure to confiscate any imaging equipment.

It looks she's about to cough up her nuts.
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Yet, it's Trump said this, Trump said that.
The other is Trump is racist. If this is true, why did Jesse have such nice things to say about Trump? Come to think of it, I haven't seen Jesse on tv since this clip surfaced.
None of my arguments against Trump are that he's a racist, and would say most accusations he is aren't constructive.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
It came up in another thread
So you were just trolling in this thread? How is it relative? Why does discussing candidates' health bother you so much? You think a potential Commander-In-Chief of the USA having what could be a debilitating mental illness isn't worth discussion? She's one of the most privileged people in the entire world and doesn't need your protection.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Is this what it boils down to?

But... but... feelings matter.


(They do in private life, of course, but in politics? Eh...)
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
So you were just trolling in this thread? How is it relative? Why does discussing candidates' health bother you so much? You think a potential Commander-In-Chief of the USA having what could be a debilitating mental illness isn't worth discussion? She's one of the most privileged people in the entire world and doesn't need your protection.

What you are calling discussion I'm calling obsession. And it's not worth the continued discussion because it's obviously dumb for the reasons stated.
     
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As I've said, I'm voting for Johnson because my state isn't in play.

If that wasn't the case, I'd vote "colossal ass-reaming", which is the technical term for Hillary Clinton.

Cool. I'm living outside the US now so I need to find out whether I would vote for the last state I lived in, but that state is Indiana which is definitely not in play. I'll probably vote for Stein.

Always found it weird that Indiana's politics are so radically different than Illinois'
     
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Jill Stein should change her first name to "Ein".
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
So you were just trolling in this thread? How is it relative? Why does discussing candidates' health bother you so much?
Because just like Obama's birth certificate it's a non-issue that takes away air time from really important problems that should be discussed.
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Fluffy Cough Alert


Hillary is actually answering questions when this happens.
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Always found it weird that Indiana's politics are so radically different than Illinois'
Subtract Chicago and they're identical.
     
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Fluffy Cough Alert


Hillary is actually answering questions when this happens.
Chongo, until you can explain how Clinton was able to get through her 14 hours of Benghazi hearings that your entire party was eagerly awaiting as a means to take her down, please stop wasting our time.

Unless your claim is that your party was no match for a neurologically impaired Clinton?
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Chongo, until you can explain how Clinton was able to get through her 14 hours of Benghazi hearings that your entire party was eagerly awaiting as a means to take her down, please stop wasting our time.

Unless your claim is that your party was no match for a neurologically impaired Clinton?
Your right, they can't come close to Hillary in being corrupt.
This cough, like her brain farts, is a recent manifestation. Are you saying you have no concerns when Hillary has a coughing fit in the middle of one of the live debates, and how the people who aren't regular viewers of the cable news channels will perceive it? You have no concerns that it will be like her "press conference" on the plane that ended abruptly because she could not stop coughing? That will look real good, right in the middle of the debate, Hillary starts coughing and can't stop, and the debate ends early.
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Why we still got vice presidents tho?
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Chongo, until you can explain how Clinton was able to get through her 14 hours of Benghazi hearings that your entire party was eagerly awaiting as a means to take her down, please stop wasting our time.
Am I completely convinced she has worrisome health problems? No.

That said, the optics on that video are nightmarish. When I hit the point of "please God... let this be over", I still had two more minutes left.
     
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Am I completely convinced she has worrisome health problems? No.

That said, the optics on that video are nightmarish. When I hit the point of "please God... let this be over", I still had two more minutes left.
Coughing is not a symptom of a concussion. The nutty healthers (I just coined that term) ought to figure out whether Hillary has a neurological condition or something viral, because it doesn't make sense for her to have all of the unhealthy things.

Presidential candidates are allowed to have colds, no?
     
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My point has absolutely zero to do with a concussion.

I've never seen a presidential candidate take a dive like that on stage.
     
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The video didn't make you cringe?
     
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The video didn't make you cringe?
On the contrary, it seemed authentic. Presidential candidates are human beings, not just perfect people in perfect suits with perfect haircuts. They get the coughs and sniffles just like anybody else.
     
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Authentically hacking up a lung.
     
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Authentically hacking up a lung.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
That's not even the instance we've been talking about. Fail.
Totally disingenuous. The 'seizure' was the lead piece of evidence in the video YOU posted.

Maybe it's not disingenuous, as you do have a very well documented history of not reading (or perhaps not understanding) much of the 'evidence' you post.
     
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No favors seen, yet, but adds to the Clinton sleaze factor.
Inside Bill Clinton’s nearly $18 million job as ‘honorary chancellor’ of a for-profit college
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...mepage%2Fstory
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Chongo, until you can explain how Clinton was able to get through her 14 hours of Benghazi hearings that your entire party was eagerly awaiting as a means to take her down, please stop wasting our time.
I already did.

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Because just like Obama's birth certificate it's a non-issue that takes away air time from really important problems that should be discussed.
False equivalence. The clip is damning, showing her to have serious lapses in cognition.
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
Totally disingenuous. The 'seizure' was the lead piece of evidence in the video YOU posted.
Lead piece? Look at the specific timestamps I mentioned, perhaps?

Maybe it's not disingenuous, as you do have a very well documented history of not reading (or perhaps not understanding) much of the 'evidence' you post.
Ahh, there you are, that's more of what I expected. Go back under your rock.
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