[Thorzdad]

There are pros and cons to his argument. I can see his point about iLife. Those apps do tend to embody the general consumer impression of what Macs are best at...all that graphic creative stuff. As such, some version of them should be included gratis. Call it brand identity reinforcement.

I am sort of confused about his assertion that OSX ships with the "crippled" versions. I did a quick check of the iApps on my Mac and discovered the following:

iPhoto: v4.0.3
iMovie: v4.0.1
iDVD: v4.0.1

iDVD, of course, being the one he claims OSX has never shipped with. I, myself, have never purchased iLife. So...did someone do me a favor at the factory or did someone rip him off? Or were they all updated with the last couple of incremental OS updates?

[CubeWannaB]

Originally posted by Thorzdad:
So...did someone do me a favor at the factory or did someone rip him off? Or were they all updated with the last couple of incremental OS updates?

No. You just didn't notice that your new Mac came with iLife included.

[Randman]

Hmm, reminds me of the line about not biting the hand that feeds you ...

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by Thorzdad:
iDVD, of course, being the one he claims OSX has never shipped with. I, myself, have never purchased iLife. So...did someone do me a favor at the factory or did someone rip him off? Or were they all updated with the last couple of incremental OS updates?

iLife is bundled with Macs (the computers). It is not bundled with Mac OS (the operating system).

This is clearly stated anywhere on Apple's website. Nowhere does Apple do any misleading advertising as this guy claims. Sure it would be cool if all kind of stuff would be bundled with the OS for free. But Apple doesn't and they are by no means obliged to do. If Microsoft does so with Windows and you think it's the better deal, then just get that. Incidentally you will find that when you purchase a PC that all kind of software is bundled with it (Microsoft Office for example) that is not part of the operating system. You will not get new versions of this bundled software with a Windows update as well. So I'm not sure what the whining is about.

[eevyl]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
So I'm not sure what the whining is about.

The whining IMHO is that they would prefer that people spent their money in Unsanity products while Apple gives theirs for free with the OS. Other claim seems to be false advertisement, but that as someone already pointed out hasn't much ground, Apple rarely advertise Mac OS X, they do advertise the hardware, and those come preloaded with the very latest versions of all the software included in the price .... so

[rotorwash]

Can I upgrade from ilife '04 to ilife '05 without paying the full retail price for ilife '05?

[SS3 GokouX]

There is no special upgrade price. $59 for students though.

[utidjian]

Originally posted by rotorwash:
Can I upgrade from ilife '04 to ilife '05 without paying the full retail price for ilife '05?

Sometimes you can use the upgrade coupons that are included with a new Mac... sometimes not. Using the coupons can reduce the price.

When you consider the features and integration of iLife and iWork put together they are less than the price of many a college textbook.

We may see iWork bundled with "academic" Macs or even Macs in general.

Apple has often bundled various bits of software with new Macs. Over the years I have gotten various games (sometimes on a separate CD), encyclopedias, and even movies on DVD. At one time I had 13 DVDs of "Bug's Life" when we bought the iMac DVs for our department. Gave all but one away to people with kids.