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starman · May 22, 2008, 11:03 PM

I'll keep this simple:

Stupid

ALIENS? Are you f'n KIDDING ME? ALIENS????

/sigh

rickey939 · May 22, 2008, 11:06 PM

Did you really go into it thinking it was going to be excellent?

starman · May 22, 2008, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by rickey939

Did you really go into it thinking it was going to be excellent?

Well, let's see....

Yes.

You have seen Raiders and Last Crusade, right?

rickey939 · May 22, 2008, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Well, let's see....

Yes.

You have seen Raiders and Last Crusade, right?

Oh, you mean the ones from years ago that didn't need to try so hard? Yeah. There is a reason why this story took so long to "develop"....

Stogieman · May 22, 2008, 11:19 PM

What about Temple of Doom? Oh wait...

So I guess the rule of thumb is to treat the Indy movies like Star Trek but opposite. Stay away from the even numbered movies?

So Starman which was better? II or IV?

BasketofPuppies · May 22, 2008, 11:38 PM

Harrison Ford is too old to play Indiana Jones.

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iLikebeer · May 23, 2008, 01:19 AM

It was not good, not even a little bit.
LaBeouf is not a good actor. Lucas writes scenes to include a silly gag, bad CGI, or just with horrible dialogue. I give it 2 big mehs.

Jawbone54 · May 23, 2008, 02:22 AM

So does this mean that I'd be better off seeing Iron Man?

starman · May 23, 2008, 02:26 AM

Probably

Peter · May 23, 2008, 04:37 AM

oh my god this was bad. Like, really bad.

ALIENS?

and there were so many lines of terrible dialogue.

Iron Man is much much better. I want to see it again.

Knof8 · May 23, 2008, 08:59 AM

Didn't enjoy it too much. Fortunately it was only $5 to see :-). I'd give it a 6 out of 10, and Iron Man a 9 out of 10.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 23, 2008, 09:14 AM

What did you think that weird looking skull would be? I am seeing it tomorrow but I don't see how aliens are any stranger than the spooky religious stuff that happened in the other movies. Cup of Christ and immortality? I can believe in aliens easier than that!

Peter · May 23, 2008, 09:23 AM

you'll see. really ****ing stupid movie!

osiris · May 23, 2008, 09:28 AM

I'll still see it, maybe... It sounds kinda shlocky, but bad shlocky.

MrNo · May 23, 2008, 09:37 AM

Verdict:

IT STUNK!!!

andi*pandi · May 23, 2008, 09:53 AM

oh no.

why would they mess it up???

PaperNotes · May 23, 2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

What did you think that weird looking skull would be?

NOT. Aliens.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Crystal skulls 'are modern fakes'

Angelo78 · May 23, 2008, 11:09 AM

Ok, so clearly this film isn't the best Indy but it isn't so bad that it should be avoided. While there's a lot of action the story itself did feel empty to me. I found myself wishing out certain things but laughing and liking much of the action.

The CGI wasn't like Iron Man but they said it wouldn't have that look right from the start. In the other films the CGI was ok but never so good that you didn't notice it. Then again it was decades ago. However they did manage to do what they wanted, to keep the look of the other movies. Did it work? For me it did because I respect real stunts and camera work to completely computer generated effects.

This is straying off a bit but why is everyone hating The Temple Of Doom? I thought that one was great. Of course it had some "out there" content but so does every other Indian Jones movie. The Temple Of Doom and The Last Crusade are ones I can watch over and over. I only watched Raiders Of The Lost Ark three times. It's been a while so I think I'll be revisiting it soon.

starman · May 23, 2008, 11:11 AM

Problems with Temple of Doom:

Falling out of a plane and surviving was ridiculous
Willie Scott was f'n annoying
The mine cart chase was unbelievable
Did I say Willie Scott was annoying?
The unnecessary need to gross out the audience.

Dakar the Fourth · May 23, 2008, 11:16 AM

How about the inconsistency of pulling out the guy's heart out shirtless, but the chick's through a blouse. That pissed me off when I was 8.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 23, 2008, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Angelo78

This is straying off a bit but why is everyone hating The Temple Of Doom?

Cuz it was super gross, dark and scared the **** out of kids.

SirCastor · May 23, 2008, 11:53 AM

When I was 5 or 6, Temple of Doom was playing on the TV in the basement of my babysitters house. I saw a guy's heart pulled out of his chest and freaked out a bit. When I complained to my sitter, she said irritated "Well don't watch it then." As though I'd gotten in the way. I hated that babysitter.

More recently I watched Temple of Doom. I still don't like the scene, and as a Jones story, ToD doesn't seem to go very well. The one thing that I did like was the sexual tension between Willie and Jones. Otherwise, like Starman said, Willie is obnoxious. Short round is also obnoxious. One thing that sets ToD apart from Raiders and Crusade is that's not quite the same quest type feeling. In Raiders and Crusade, Jones sets out to find a lost and famous artifact. Something that the audience can connect with. The bad guys are also something the audience is familiar with.
In Temple of Doom, the quest is a bit random...

As a random side note: Temple of Doom is part of the reason we have a PG-13 rating from the MPAA.
I think one thing that made Crusade work so well is that it brought back so many elements of Raiders, while adding new elements. Temple of Doom just feels disconnected.

andi*pandi · May 23, 2008, 12:34 PM

We all liked the chick from the first movie and hated the chick in the second. Scared of fricking bugs. Needed to be rescued. Bah.

ebert liked IV.

imitchellg5 · May 23, 2008, 03:30 PM

I liked it, but that's just me. I enjoyed the references to other Lucas projects. Aliens were odd, but I still liked it. It won't be a classic like the other three though.

Randman · May 23, 2008, 03:37 PM

I'll go see it sometime but there's no overriding urge to do so.

Chuckit · May 23, 2008, 03:43 PM

Wow, I was going to see it this weekend, but after reading this thread, I guess I'll wait for it to come to Netflix.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 23, 2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Wow, I was going to see it this weekend, but after reading this thread, I guess I'll wait for it to come to Netflix.

Critics seem to like it:
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Movie Reviews, Pictures - Rotten Tomatoes

ghporter · May 23, 2008, 04:56 PM

I'm going to see it. And I'll like it. Will I like it the way I liked Iron Man? Good question. Iron Man was "net ground" while I "know" Indy.

From the trailers, though, I can see a lot of things that will make nit-pickers happy (or at least not as upset) when compared to the first three Indy movies. For example, Raiders was riddled with anachronisms, from the Pan Am Clipper flying over the (not yet completed in 1936) Golden Gate Bridge to the Germans having lots and lots of MP38 (many of them MP40) submachine guns which were not introduced until 1938 (or 1940). It was still a kick ass romp. That, of course, was the point.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 23, 2008, 04:58 PM

I'm just happy to see from the trailers that the Germans are no longer the default bad guys although I could be wrong.

Middle Easterns are the new Germans apparently

Randman · May 23, 2008, 05:01 PM

Movie is set in the 1950s. Soviets = bad guys. Bad commie, bad commie.

ghporter · May 23, 2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

I'm just happy to see from the trailers that the Germans are no longer the default bad guys although I could be wrong.

Middle Easterns are the new Germans apparently

In 1957 you can't beat "the Reds" for being great bad guys...And they're there.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 23, 2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

In 1957 you can't beat "the Reds" for being great bad guys...And they're there.

Ya well I am guessing that for most young audiences today they won't even understand and Soviet or german thread so they have to make them Arabs to get the point across that they are bad.

Chuckit · May 23, 2008, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Critics seem to like it:
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Movie Reviews, Pictures - Rotten Tomatoes

Eh, I don't know. 63% among the cream of the crop critics, and most of those "fresh" reviews sound strangely like the "rotten" ones. They seem to boil down to, "The movie has good production values, but it's hackneyed and stupid." We'll see how much free time I have, I guess.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 23, 2008, 05:12 PM

I watched the last crusade the other night and there are TONS of really stupid and convient situations in it.

Such as under the library is a tomb that is almost FILLED with petroleum yet for some reason every rat in the city likes to live and swim in it. I guess they eat petroleum. Not to mention Indy has the bright idea to to light a rag and tie it to a bone when down in the petroleum and you can see at least 5 big flaming bits fall into the petroleum and extinguish themselves.

I also never understood how any old civilization could build such elaborate booby-traps that last 3000 years.

These are just things you have to ignore when watching a George Lucas movie as he is a bit of an idiot in the writing department.

olePigeon · May 23, 2008, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Falling out of a plane and surviving was ridiculous

But perfectly possible. This "myth" has been tested many times, including on the show Myth Busters. The surface area of the average life raft is large enough to produce enough air friction to have you land and survive a fall from 20,000 feet.

Angelo78 · May 23, 2008, 07:03 PM

Ok, well the points made are good ones for some people and I can respect that. For me it's not something which bothers me much. I've never taken the movies seriously enough to care if something is actually plausible in real life. To me they are fun, fictional action movies where some crazy things happen. With that in mind I tend to ignore the silly things that make it ridiculous at times. What works for some doesn't for others I suppose.

I can see I'm in the minority on this one though. I'm in my late 20's so I was fairly young when I watched The Temple Of Doom for the first time. I have to say I wasn't too bothered with the heart through the chest scene. Although I will agree that Willie being scared of everything in ToD was annoying.

Sourbook · 12:41 AM

Some people just don't 'get' what Indiana Jones is all about. It's not supposed to be about reality. it's about mimicking the fun 1950's style Saturday Matinee Heros of the Silver Screen. And all of the movies did that very well. Some better than others, but all succeeded. I enjoyed the Crystal Skull as much as all the others.

In this one, they just used commies instead of nazis and aliens instead of deities.

What's the problem with that?

PaperNotes · May 24, 2008, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Middle Easterns are the new Germans apparently

Hollywood is too chicken shitted and dictator loving to make Islamists an enemy in movies and they don't want to lose out on the middle eastern market. Looksy at Casino Royale. All terrorists were white or black and the one suicide bomber they had was white and not religious or nationalistic. Must have wanted to blow himself up for no reason then.

starman · May 24, 2008, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Some people just don't 'get' what Indiana Jones is all about. It's not supposed to be about reality. it's about mimicking the fun 1950's style Saturday Matinee Heros of the Silver Screen. And all of the movies did that very well. Some better than others, but all succeeded. I enjoyed the Crystal Skull as much as all the others.

In this one, they just used commies instead of nazis and aliens instead of deities.

What's the problem with that?

I "get" Indiana Jones, thank you very much.

I think George/Steven don't "get" what a good script is anymore.

Jar Jar. 'Nuff said.

PaperNotes · May 24, 2008, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Some people just don't 'get' what Indiana Jones is all about. It's not supposed to be about reality. it's about mimicking the fun 1950's style Saturday Matinee Heros of the Silver Screen. And all of the movies did that very well. Some better than others, but all succeeded. I enjoyed the Crystal Skull as much as all the others.

In this one, they just used commies instead of nazis and aliens instead of deities.

What's the problem with that?

De problem is in Raiders the Nazis pissed off Jehovah.
In Doom the bald guy pissed off Shiva.
In Last Crusade they pissed off the power of Jesus.

What the **** do aliens have to do with anything Mayan religion? Stargate was waaaaay better at this type of thing.

Harrison Ford has lost the plot too. I saw an interview with him and he said we're living in a new McCarthy era. These guys with too much money and drugs living in their gated communities live on another planet. That explains the Crystal Skull movie completely.

Peter · May 24, 2008, 05:05 AM

Indie 4 is a Phantom Menace

SirCastor · May 24, 2008, 11:21 AM

Can we stick "spoiler" on in the title of this. Please? I didn't know there were Aliens, and now I do... I didn't want to see that, I wanted the surprise.

PaperNotes · May 24, 2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by SirCastor

Can we stick "spoiler" on in the title of this. Please? I didn't know there were Aliens, and now I do... I didn't want to see that, I wanted the surprise.

They give it away in the first half hour at Hanger 51/Roswell plot etc

jokell82 · May 24, 2008, 12:15 PM

This movie sucked pretty bad. And I went in with very low expectations.

He survives a ****ing atomic blast? And just walks away while staring at a mushroom cloud? F*ck off, Spielberg.

Oh, and ALIENS?!?!?!?!

Cold Warrior · May 24, 2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by SirCastor

Can we stick "spoiler" on in the title of this. Please?

Done.

Hawkeye_a · May 24, 2008, 01:42 PM

They just had to ruin the series didnt they ? I havent seen Indy IV (and wont bother) given the 'spoiler' mentioned in the first post.

I'm steering clear of all the 'comeback' movies... Rambo, Die Hard, Indy, etc....

Hawkeye_a · May 24, 2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Jar Jar. 'Nuff said.

Jar Jar ? man he was terrible but in an annoyingly-comical way..... but the script of the other main characters are what really got me laughing.....

Steven n George have gone from artists to business men......and it shows.

analogue SPRINKLES · May 24, 2008, 09:47 PM

Ok you guys were right. That was pretty damn bad. Not because of the aliens though, didn't mind that so much but everything else was bad.

That Tazan part lost me.

Cold Warrior · May 24, 2008, 09:50 PM

The Tarzan scene was one of the worst parts.

Movie was ok overall. Last Crusade is still the best.

Stogieman · May 24, 2008, 10:37 PM

Saw it last night and I enjoyed the movie. Of course after reading this thread, I went in with very low expectations. Not as good as Raiders but not as bad as Temple of Doom. I place it about even with Last Crusade.