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Apr 4, 2016, 01:08 PM
 
I've heard these tapes. They're only damning when you edit out his qualifiers.

When was the last time the juiciest red meat anyone could dig up on a presidential candidate was a 30-year-old, out of context quote?

Let's face it. Relatively speaking, the guy is a saint compared to everyone else... and should he win the nomination, that's going to be a big problem for his opponent.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 01:34 PM
 
That's interesting because I think his transparency about liking big government, 'socialism', and raising taxes would obliterate him.
     
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I think you underestimate the draw of not being a ****ing jackass.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 02:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I think you underestimate the draw of not being a ****ing jackass.
Right, I have a hard time believing most people would rate that above either the issues or taxes.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 03:11 PM
 
As luck would have it, the Republican front-runner's Achilles heel is issues.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
As luck would have it, the Republican front-runner's Achilles heel is issues.
Yet arguably his character is far worse. He tells them what they want to hear on the issues.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 03:30 PM
 
Q.E.D.

Who wins that fight?
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Q.E.D.
Not QED. Unless you want to argue Cruz and Kasich have even worse character.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 04:03 PM
 
I'm not sure I understand your point.

My response to what I understand your point to be is "what works in a primary won't necessarily work in the general".
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
 
I think that's a fair philosophy. But then with regards to Bernie v trump, I have no ****en idea how that goes
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 04:29 PM
 
I'll tell you exactly how it will go.

More so than at any other time in recent memory, the country will genuinely get the president it deserves.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 04:56 PM
 
Quaint, but I wouldn't trust anyone who thinks they have a firm handle on how the American electorate thinks.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 05:30 PM
 
Well, I wasn't exactly predicting a winner.
     
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Apr 4, 2016, 05:33 PM
 
Funny, I thought you calling him being a saint compared to other politicians and saying that made things difficult for his opponents was doing just that.
     
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Apr 5, 2016, 08:19 AM
 
Difficult doesn't mean a slam dunk.

I mean, Hillary is winning right now.

As for Bernie's sainthood trumping Trump's ego... the electorate is only nominally involved in that prediction. At its core, I'm predicting Trump sinking himself. I don't feel this will be determined so much by the whimsy of the electorate as opposed to how many full clips Trump can empty into his own foot before the thing falls off.
     
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Apr 5, 2016, 04:26 PM
 
Bernie needs to figure a way to use this to his advantage. Hillary made the mistake of "humanizing the unborn" by using the term "unborn person" and "child" in response to Todd's question.
Planned Parenthood Worker Rips Hillary For Humanizing Fetuses
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Apr 5, 2016, 04:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Difficult doesn't mean a slam dunk.

I mean, Hillary is winning right now.

As for Bernie's sainthood trumping Trump's ego... the electorate is only nominally involved in that prediction. At its core, I'm predicting Trump sinking himself. I don't feel this will be determined so much by the whimsy of the electorate as opposed to how many full clips Trump can empty into his own foot before the thing falls off.
I feel like an alternate take of your perspective would be judging outcome by favorability ratings. Not sure how well that tracks historically, assuming there's even enough data for it to be worthwhile.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 02:07 AM
 
I'd flip that. It's about unfavorability ratings.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 10:07 AM
 
I'm not sure what the difference is, but I have no complaint otherwise.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 11:29 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I'd flip that. It's about unfavorability ratings.
General elections in the US aren't about how many like you, they're about how many dislike you. In a two party system, if >60% of the voter base would never vote for you, you simply can't win.
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Apr 6, 2016, 11:31 AM
 
When asking people their opinions about a candidate, they options are generally favorable, neutral, unfavorable, usually with a "very" on either side to make it five options in general. Early on neutral means "haven't heard of the person", but at this point, it can be taken to mean "acceptable but not my favorite". Unfavorable essentially means that someone has excluded that candidate from consideration, and it will take something very special to bring them around - it provides a ceiling.

The reasoning above is indeed about unfavorability ratings. Trump has always had high unfavorability ratings, while Bernie doesn't - at least not yet. That indicates that Bernie is more "acceptable" to voters at this point. Not sure how relevant that is, though - unfavorables can rise sharply after a few attack ads, and there have been few of those aimed at Bernie yet.

Also note that Hillary's unfavorables are quite high, which would be an issue for her most years.
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Apr 6, 2016, 11:34 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
General elections in the US aren't about how many like you, they're about how many dislike you. In a two party system, if >60% of the voter base would never vote for you, you simply can't win.
It's why going negative works.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 12:35 PM
 
Among US voters Hillary's unfavorables are 2nd only to Trump's, which are the worst in recorded history. Putin's rating is higher than both, FYI.
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Apr 6, 2016, 12:39 PM
 
Howwwwwww?
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 12:42 PM
 
We have ways of making you vote favorable.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 12:56 PM
 
We also have ways of making what we report not match reality.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 12:57 PM
 
Wait, are we talking Putins favorability on Russia or among Americans? Because if it's the former LOL
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 01:03 PM
 
She has lower unfavorability in the US, but not by much. Less than 10 point spread.

I'm using an aggregate for Hillary, so I'm sure there are singular polls which put her higher. I should also note the Putin number is from 2015.

People apparently do not like this woman. Can't imagine why.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 01:08 PM
 
Well whatever you do, don't post the numbers. That wouldn't be interesting at all.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 01:13 PM
 
Sorry.

67% Putin. 55.2% Clinton.

So a touch more than 10 points. My bad.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 01:28 PM
 
I really hope most of 33% remaining on Putin have no opinion versus the slobbering approval of his 'strength' we sometimes see in the media.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 01:36 PM
 
I wonder how much overlap you have between those who approve of Putin and Trump supporters.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 01:59 PM
 
You read my unspoken comment.
     
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Apr 6, 2016, 02:34 PM
 
Putin supporters = Trump's
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Apr 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
 
Whomever wrote that joke is going to get a Clinton Power Thrashing.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Whomever wrote that joke is going to get a Clinton Power Thrashing.
Cautious Politician time?

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Apr 12, 2016, 06:38 PM
 
^^^

I certainly get the satirical nature of the joke punchline. But I also recognize that given the nature of the joke setup they were skating on thin ice at best ... especially in a highly charged political environment. The thing about comedy is that it's really dependent upon timing and delivery. Something that both Secretary Clinton and Mayor de Blasio sorely lack. Consequently, it came off as spectacularly tone deaf ... especially coming on the heels of President Clinton's highly publicized dustup with a few #BlackLivesMatter protesters. I don't expect this to do any lasting damage to the Clinton campaign but it definitely qualifies as an "unforced error" that was easily avoided.

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Apr 12, 2016, 08:24 PM
 
I had to rack my brain for what other meaning "cp time" could have. If the black guy hadn't said anything I would not have known it was even an attempt at a joke.
     
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`scuse me, but... WHAT'RE THOSE??
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bros?

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Apr 13, 2016, 11:36 AM
 
Yeah I'm missing the connection to bernie
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Yeah I'm missing the connection to bernie
Who said there's a connection to Bernie? I'm actually defending Hillary, people are way too quick to scream "racist" these days.
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Hey, I stopped waiting a day or two before I put up a turtle pic.
     
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Who said there's a connection to Bernie?
Sorry I was reading the thread title and thinking the content would be related.

As it was I wouldn't know how the pic related to Hillary, either.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
As it was I wouldn't know how the pic related to Hillary, either.
Even after I explained it.
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Apr 15, 2016, 10:48 AM
 
Saw some serious evil eye going on last night from the Hillary.

I know people say she's fake when she tries to act like the hu-mans, but jeez... it's okay to crack a smile every now and again.
     
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WHAT?? And risk cracking her face and you being able to see the scales under it?
     
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What's her name from V smiled all the time!
     
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I feel this primary has actually hurt me in a way no other has.
     
 
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