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Dark Helmet · 04:50 PM

Download from the usual places.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303411

Just a heads up, I installed it on the current gen Dual 2GHz G5. After the install when the computer restarted it went to the usual gray spinning round thing, then just before it went to the progress bar screen it rebooted on its own and repeated the procedure. After that the computer booted normally.

Either this was a fluke or a new feature.

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 3, 2006, 04:53 PM

Yay. Yet another non-update from Apple. Amazing amount of trivial non-sense they seem to be spending their time to fix instead of real OS improvements.

That's what the big upgrades are for, but still a gradual improvement of the OS is appreciated! It's not like OS X is perfect in any way.

cheers

W-Y

Jellytussle · Apr 3, 2006, 04:54 PM

From the KB:

With the Mac OS X 10.4.6 system software update, PowerPC-based Macs will restart twice, instead of once, after the initial installation.

But you would have read that first, right :-).

slugslugslug · Apr 3, 2006, 04:57 PM

Anyone know what new phone support was added? The iSync page doesn't seem to have been updated yet..

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jellytussle

From the KB:

With the Mac OS X 10.4.6 system software update, PowerPC-based Macs will restart twice, instead of once, after the initial installation.

Strange, I wonder why it does that.

baw · Apr 3, 2006, 05:10 PM

Feels snappier®! Guess the debug code is removed.

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 3, 2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jellytussle

From the KB:

With the Mac OS X 10.4.6 system software update, PowerPC-based Macs will restart twice, instead of once, after the initial installation.

But you would have read that first, right :-).

Yeah I noticed that.. wonder why that is?

cheers

W-Y

tooki · Apr 3, 2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Yay. Yet another non-update from Apple. Amazing amount of trivial non-sense they seem to be spending their time to fix instead of real OS improvements.

Yeah, "trivial" stuff like bug fixes and security patches. No, those aren't "real" improvements at all...

tooki

vasu · Apr 3, 2006, 05:22 PM

anyone with a dual g5 notice if the fan speed bug has been fixed?

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by vasu

anyone with a dual g5 notice if the fan speed bug has been fixed?

It only seems to effect the first gen Duals from what I see.

The current Duals have no such problem. I'll find out for sure when I get home but I am not holding my breath as the last update didn't fix it.

harrisjamieh · Apr 3, 2006, 05:36 PM

108 MB for my iMac CD! Wow, there must be some serious stuff in that....
65 meg on my iBook just for reference

pat++ · Apr 3, 2006, 05:38 PM

- it fixes the zsh issue (introduced in 10.4.0 !) about time !
- menus seems to draw much faster on my iBook
- genie effect seems to be slightly different

fisherKing · Apr 3, 2006, 06:22 PM

snappier.
stable (hasn't crashed once since installing).

safari..opening pages faster? (or am i imagining this...)

happily, my haxies work (shapeshifter, fruitmenu); and transparent dock seems to work (!?).

am happy, but, truth be told, no more so than i was 10 minutes before updating...

anyone know when 10.4.7 will be released?
"first person to ask that" ©

MartiNZ · Apr 3, 2006, 06:23 PM

Yeah I got the double restart, and hadn't read the knowledge base article, so it came as a bit of a surprise, but all was well.

I repaired permissions after installing and was pleased to see that the crazy "special permissions" like 32261 are no longer listed - makes the drive look much cleaner to me

. I remember reading something to this effect on here a couple of days ago - glad it was true.

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by fisherKing

snappier.
stable (hasn't crashed once since installing).

Does OSX normally crash on you ever 10 min?

pat++ what the hell is so different about the Genie effect?

harrisjamieh · Apr 3, 2006, 06:28 PM

The genie effect is significantly faster.

We seem to be rattleing through these updates at quite a pace, and we've only got 10.4.7, 8 and 9 left - anyone think we might see 10.5 before November?

version · Apr 3, 2006, 06:29 PM

Will the double restart have anything to do with a firmware upgrade?

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by version

Will the double restart have anything to do with a firmware upgrade?

Nope. My guess is some sort of cashe as the first restart is always slower.

Apfhex · Apr 3, 2006, 06:31 PM

•Makes Mac OS X aware of United States Daylight Savings Time (DST) changes enacted by the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

What's this now?

version · Apr 3, 2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Nope. My guess is some sort of cashe as the first restart is always slower.

Ah, ok, cool. I've still to instal it.

Franz · Apr 3, 2006, 06:38 PM

The only problem I have come across so far is in Mail 2.0 - the awful ugly horrible looking (default) toolbar buttons came back.

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 3, 2006, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Yeah, "trivial" stuff like bug fixes and security patches. No, those aren't "real" improvements at all...

tooki

The security patches have already been released. They're not a feature of this update, just bundled.

The bug fixes are according to the list, trivial and insignificant. I read through them and had never heard of one of them.

They aren't improvements, just fixes. iDisk is supposedly faster, but I don't use that because it was always unusably slow anyway and I gave up on .Mac a while ago.

In other words, nothing has changed for me since 10.4.5 (or 10.4.4 for that matter)

cheers

W-Y

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 3, 2006, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Yeah, "trivial" stuff like bug fixes and security patches. No, those aren't "real" improvements at all...

tooki

Don't feed the Yutani.

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 3, 2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

The security patches have already been released. They're not a feature of this update, just bundled.

The bug fixes are according to the list, trivial and insignificant. I read through them and had never heard of one of them.

They aren't improvements, just fixes. iDisk is supposedly faster, but I don't use that because it was always unusably slow anyway and I gave up on .Mac a while ago.

In other words, nothing has changed for me since 10.4.5 (or 10.4.4 for that matter)

cheers

W-Y

Your majesty, I believe Apple is terribly sorry for not bending to your will of adding more features. And Apple feels terrible for offering the update to you for free when they could have *paid* you 40 bucks for you to install it.

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

In other words, nothing has changed for me since 10.4.5 (or 10.4.4 for that matter)

Why would it? Apple sold you 10.4 and didn't promise any updates or new features for it.

You want new junk and not just bug fixes you have to BUY the next OS upgrade 10.5.

Heck you should be happy Apple does anything at all because they have already made their sale and owe you nothing but a bug fix.

Look at Windows and how often they update their OS with new features... EVERY 5 YEARS.

wadesworld · Apr 3, 2006, 06:43 PM

Folks, the "double restart" is because it updates the Mac's firmware to fix an issue would could allow people with physical access to the machine to get around your open firmware password, if you had one set.

Wade

FireWire · Apr 3, 2006, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Yeah, "trivial" stuff like bug fixes and security patches. No, those aren't "real" improvements at all...

Bug fixes are for sissies, we all know that

Originally Posted by apfhex

What's this now?

This. Didn't you hear about that?

real · Apr 3, 2006, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Franz

The only problem I have come across so far is in Mail 2.0 - the awful ugly horrible looking (default) toolbar buttons came back.

what about a display bug in mail with the smart folders not updating the number of unread messages, requires a deselect and reselect then you get the correct number. not a big bug just really anoying.

fortepianissimo · Apr 3, 2006, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Franz

The only problem I have come across so far is in Mail 2.0 - the awful ugly horrible looking (default) toolbar buttons came back.

Yes - what was with that? I tried to run CageFighter again and it now doesn't work!

I can run Mail Stamps to get rid of the stupid icons too - but CageFighter's version is much cleaner. Anyone has a tip or two how to "fix" this?

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by wadesworld

Folks, the "double restart" is because it updates the Mac's firmware to fix an issue would could allow people with physical access to the machine to get around your open firmware password, if you had one set.

Wade

How do you know that?

gperks · Apr 3, 2006, 06:51 PM

Awesome if they really fixed the PAC file problem. I will be *very* happy if that's the case!

Sync'd phone: nobody on forum with terrible news: installation next.

version · Apr 3, 2006, 07:07 PM

Installed fine, double restart, etc. Thank whoever that the 'using special permissions' has gone from Disk utility.

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 3, 2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Horsepoo!!!

Your majesty, I believe Apple is terribly sorry for not bending to your will of adding more features. And Apple feels terrible for offering the update to you for free when they could have *paid* you 40 bucks for you to install it.

Install or not, like 10.4.5 this doesn't change anything. I was quite pleased with 10.4.4 and didn't hesitate to say so, but this is just yet another underwhelming update. The only interesting thing it did was restart my Mac twice.

I'm not bashing Apple, just wondering why they're releasing updates that aren't actually, shall we say, important.

I installed this one just because I hadn't installed the security updates already and I skipped 10.4.5, but it didn't actually *do* anything. I would have hoped for at the very least a significant update on Spotlight and its integration into the Finder.

cheers

W-Y

xe0 · Apr 3, 2006, 07:10 PM

Snappy™

Cadaver · Apr 3, 2006, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by harrisjamieh

The genie effect is significantly faster.

We seem to be rattleing through these updates at quite a pace, and we've only got 10.4.7, 8 and 9 left - anyone think we might see 10.5 before November?

Why would you think 10.5 must come out after 10.4.9?? What's stopping Apple from releasing a 10.4.10, 10.4.11, 10.4.12...? Its not like these are real, actual numbers, where 10.50 must follow 10.49.

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cadaver

Why would you think 10.5 must come out after 10.4.9?? What's stopping Apple from releasing a 10.4.10, 10.4.11, 10.4.12...? Its not like these are real, actual numbers, where 10.50 must follow 10.49.

I don't think Apple has ever done that with OSX.

I am pretty damn sure 10.4.9 would be the last for 10.4.

Tomchu · Apr 3, 2006, 07:22 PM

Just because an update isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant for everyone else.

You're narrow-minded if you think everyone out there uses their computer for the same purposes, in the same ways, as you do.

rickey939 · Apr 3, 2006, 07:23 PM

Wow, this update is so much better than v10.4.7®

Dark Helmet · Apr 3, 2006, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tomchu

Just because an update isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant for everyone else.

You're narrow-minded if you think everyone out there uses their computer for the same purposes, in the same ways, as you do.

Actually I think the correct term you are looking for with him is jerk ass.

Franz · Apr 3, 2006, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by real

what about a display bug in mail with the smart folders not updating the number of unread messages, requires a deselect and reselect then you get the correct number. not a big bug just really anoying.

Good news, this seems to be fixed now!

I've had that happen too before, but after this update my smart folder updated the unread count automatically without me having to click it first.

fisherKing · Apr 3, 2006, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Does OSX normally crash on you ever 10 min?

sorry, let me add:

jasonsRX7 · Apr 3, 2006, 07:51 PM

I hope I'm not just imagining it, but Safari really does feel faster. It still beachballs some when waiting for big pages to load though

CharlesS · Apr 3, 2006, 07:53 PM

This update erased my hard drive and made my computer catch fire!

[/color][/quote]BELATED APRIL FOOLS![quote][color=white]

fisherKing · Apr 3, 2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

This update erased my hard drive and made my computer catch fire!

from the Apple technotes:

"10.4.6 will erase your hard drive and make you Mac catch fire if you post nonsense on Mac forums"

so...posting this from my roommie's pc...

Angus_D · Apr 3, 2006, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by wadesworld

Folks, the "double restart" is because it updates the Mac's firmware to fix an issue would could allow people with physical access to the machine to get around your open firmware password, if you had one set.

Nonsense.

Velocity211 · Apr 3, 2006, 08:04 PM

Since installing this update, my phone won't sync with iSync anymore (says sync failed), Azureus won't start-up anymore. Does anyone know how to resolve these two problems?

Tomchu · Apr 3, 2006, 08:13 PM

You know ... I've been thinking about this perceived snappiness that everyone talks about when it comes to OS X updates, and I think I've arrived at a conclusion:

Cache cleansing. The perceived snappiness has to be as a result of a fresh set of kernel/system/user caches. True, the first boot and login are always slow as molasses, but that has to be the only explanation for why everyone always mentions Safari.

tooki · Apr 3, 2006, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

I'm not bashing Apple, just wondering why they're releasing updates that aren't actually, shall we say, important.

Bug fixes are very important to the people affected by the bugs.

tooki

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 3, 2006, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tomchu

Just because an update isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant for everyone else.

You're narrow-minded if you think everyone out there uses their computer for the same purposes, in the same ways, as you do.

Please tell how this update affected/helped you. I'm all ears. If it adressed one issue you had, then that's pretty good but it sure didn't add any features.

Still, I'm all ears. Can't wait to hear how I am narrow minded and this update was significant to everyone else. In fact, people you're all invited.

Come one come all and tell the class how this updated mattered to you.

cheers

W-Y

Weyland-Yutani · Apr 3, 2006, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Bug fixes are very important to the people affected by the bugs.

tooki

I'm sure, but those are some rather obscure bugs and OS X is affected by far more obvious and irritating bugs that affect all users. Such as Spotlight inconsitancy etc.

cheers

W-Y