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Nov 3, 2008, 06:25 AM
 
It's finally coming to pass! The four stages of communist takeover Yuri Bezmenov described in his lengthy 1984 interview about Communist subversion in American society is coming true!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jVZ4Lkm6JQw

And so the takeover is almost complete as the "liberal progressives" in the media and the pollsters, or what the Soviet Union called "useful idiots", chose Obama for the people by depicting him as a popular leader for positive change.

Obama a positive changer? This is the man who worked with and represented ACORN, a massive umbrella group led by Marxist-Leninists who are implicated in massive voter fraud and intimidating banks into giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. ACORN was largely responsible for the credit crisis yet are being bailed out by the US government to the tune of millions. Why? Because the credit crisis allowed government to grab more power and become a Bigger Brother, just as Bezmenov said subversion would create.

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search...rch_type=&aq=f

The Chinese government, via their communist subversive allies in ACORN, were asked to invest billions in the two banks to encourage the wreckless lending. This information was passed on to two major Chinese banks who invested over $20 billion and now also stand to be bailed out by the US taxpayer.

http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

The relationship doesn't end there. Far from it, Obama received over $120,000 from his relationship with Freddie and Fannie who channeled the money to him from the Chinese on condition that he pledged to end the Space Defense Initiative/Star Wars program and also cut the US Defense budget, which could also mean rolling back missile defense programs in Europe.

Obama will work with other Communist Subversives in the American Elite to cause what is called the "Great Greening" of the United States. This is a Communist programme that uses the Green language of environmentalism to effectively create a civilian army, or what is called Green-collar workers, to police all thought and actions, and oppress all dissent.

Patrick Moore, ex-founder of Greenpeace, said it himself that Marxists were using Green language to impose their will on government, companies and people. (In Britain we have a newly created Environmental Dept headed by the Marxist Ed Miliband, given this job by his nepotist brother David Miliband.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3InQzsLltHE

We'll also see Al Gore return to politics and some "useful idiot" celebrities taking on top positions in this apparatchik too. They will use the most far fetched paranoia and skewed science to scare people into paying higher taxes to "save the planet", but all it will do is further enrich and empower Big Brother.

And that's when it will turn ugly folks! Many Democrats will see the oppressive policies start to hurt themselves and they'll turn on each other like starving dogs. Bezmenov said that at this point people start to disappear, or are lined up and shot.

Why did I just smile? Because I have full faith that this Communist takeover will fail just like how Ken Livingstone failed to completely turn London into a communist city state (although we still have a fight on our hands). Just how the other subversive George Galloway, an Islamo-fascist Communist, is now hiding his head between his legs. Just how Michael Moore, another Elitist Communist subversive who tried to turn Americans against each other, now has to lay his head low. He is hoping to make a comeback in some political sphere if Obama wins.

But it still depends on you brave patriots, you defenders of liberty and common sense, to put these "useful idiots" and megalomaniac elitists to bed. You can only do it by being very vocal, very defensive, use your votes wisely, demand to vote on more than just four year elections, use your consumer power to only spend money on companies that value your freedom, by putting pressure on media organisation, by using direct action, and if all else fails then using all force necessary. You can do it.
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Nov 3, 2008, 09:14 AM
 
The Communists figured out with the fall of Soviet Communism that they would never be able to destroy the West and particularly America economically because of the inherent inadequacy of their economic model. They decided that in order to have a chance at destroying us, they would have to undermine our institutions. They would have to take over the media and education, and eventually they would be able to take progressively greater political power. BHO looks like their best chance yet to move their evil agenda forward. Tomorrow we get to find out if the American people are gullible and greedy enough to elect him.

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Nov 3, 2008, 09:24 AM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
Tomorrow we get to find out if the American people are gullible and greedy enough to elect him.
Well, the American people are gullible enough to believe all the Land Of The Free™ guff, so...
Been inclined to wander... off the beaten track.
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Nov 3, 2008, 09:27 AM
 
I think the RAND corporation is really behind all this, in conjunction with the Saucer People. Some folks think they're under the supervision of the Reverse Vampires, though.
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 09:31 AM
 
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use your consumer power to only spend money on companies that value your freedom
Like AT&T ?
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 10:43 AM
 
The scary thing is that people actually believe this drivel.

Then again Sciencetology is a religion, but so is Christianity for that matter.

The sheep will unite!!! <----- New GOP slogan for 2012
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Nov 3, 2008, 10:55 AM
 
Obama is communist! That's argument #3 on my grand master list!

- he's a Socialist
- he's a Marxist
- he's a Communist
- he's a dictator
- William Ayers
- he's an elitist
- Jeremiah Wright
- he's unpatriotic
- he wants to raise everybody's taxes
- he's running a dirty campaign
- he's inexperienced
- he reneged on his promise to accept public financing
- Joe the plumber/Tito the builder/etc.
- Obama's aunt
- Michelle Obama being proud of her country for the first time
- he voted "present" too many times
- he's a secret Muslim
- he wants to kill babies
- he's the most liberal candidate ever
- he wants to wipe Israel off the map
- he wants to destroy small towns
- he will be soft on terror and will meet with foreign leaders in a very careless way
- he wants us to stop singing the national anthem or reciting the Pledge
- he has secretly been making last minute changes to his tax plan that don't appear on his website
- he's been accepting illegal donations
- he's an empty suit
- he's not ready on day one
- he doesn't write his own speeches and relies on a teleprompter for staged theatrics
- he went to a Madrassa
- he's black/taking advantage of the fact that he is black/playing the race card
- he's godless/the anti-Christ
- he hates town hall meetings
- he's not a US citizen
- Tony Rezko
- The other Palestinian professor whose last name starts with a K
- Doesn't take care of his half brother
- He was a community activist/organizer.
- Truth Squads.
- Many of the things listed above prefaced with the term 'radical'.
- He likes arugula.
- He thinks he's the messiah.
- People think he's the messiah.
- He doesn't put his hand over his heart for the national anthem.
- He doesn't wear a flag pin.
- He thinks he's a rock star.
- He had columns behind him.
- He snubbed the Clintons.
- He's opposed to nuclear energy
- He can't pay for anything he is proposing
- He supports homosexual civil unions
- He's not black enough.
- He's obsessed with homosexuals and their 'rights'.
- He's arrogant.
- He smokes.
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 11:32 AM
 
I love the master list!! That should be the new Obama ad!

Where's the McCain master list? Oh that's right because we didn't attack McCain like the GOP did to Obama.

All we did was tell the truth about McCain and Palin and we still came out ahead.
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Nov 3, 2008, 11:34 AM
 
Originally Posted by PaperNotes View Post
<much propaganda>
Wow. That's impressive. Do you wear your tinfoil hat 24/7, or just during the day?
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 11:43 AM
 
"Thomas Jefferson once said: 'Of course the people don't want war. But the people can be brought to the bidding of their leader. All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked and denounce the pacifists for somehow a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.' I think that was Jefferson. Oh wait. That was Hermann Goering. Shoot." --Jon Stewart
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Nov 3, 2008, 11:51 AM
 
Are you "deniers" who are trying to ridicule me trying to say:

-That the Soviet Union didn't help create radical Marxist-Leninist groups all over the world including the US where it manifested in the form of many radical and environmental groups during the 60s-70s
-That Patrick Moore didn't personally see Marxist learn Green/environmentalist language
-That many of the modern elite in the media, such as actors and musicians, weren't 60s radicals, connected to 60s radicals or befriend radicals to get ahead in business and politics
-Obama took no money from Freddie and Fannie.
-The Chinese weren't heavily invested in Freddie and Fannie.
-That Obama hasn't said he is going to scrap SDI and cut defense spending
-That Obama has no connection to ACORN
-That ACORN didn't put pressure on banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them
-That ACORN isn't a radical group
-That ACORN isn't being watched right now by the Justice Dept for possible voter fraud

I can provide evidence indefinitely to prove all the above is true (In fact I will give you a list of names and verifiable actions of each person).

I have already given you "useful idiots" who are brainwashed a start so you can deprogramme yourselves. If you are trying to deny the above at all, then Yuri Bezmenov's interview is validated - useful idiot Leftists will always deny such and such is happening until they feel the pinch themselves
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Nov 3, 2008, 11:52 AM
 
ACORN! I forgot to put ACORN in my list...

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Nov 3, 2008, 11:54 AM
 
The Grand Master List (GML) is up to 56 "arguments" now!

- he's a Socialist
- he's a Marxist
- he's a Communist
- he's a dictator
- William Ayers
- he's an elitist
- Jeremiah Wright
- he's unpatriotic
- he wants to raise everybody's taxes
- he's running a dirty campaign
- he's inexperienced
- he reneged on his promise to accept public financing
- Joe the plumber/Tito the builder/etc.
- Obama's aunt
- Michelle Obama being proud of her country for the first time
- he voted "present" too many times
- he's a secret Muslim
- he wants to kill babies
- he's the most liberal candidate ever
- he wants to wipe Israel off the map
- he wants to destroy small towns
- he will be soft on terror and will meet with foreign leaders in a very careless way
- he wants us to stop singing the national anthem or reciting the Pledge
- he has secretly been making last minute changes to his tax plan that don't appear on his website
- he's been accepting illegal donations
- he's an empty suit
- he's not ready on day one
- he doesn't write his own speeches and relies on a teleprompter for staged theatrics
- he went to a Madrassa
- he's black/taking advantage of the fact that he is black/playing the race card
- he's godless/the anti-Christ
- he hates town hall meetings
- he's not a US citizen
- Tony Rezko
- The other Palestinian professor whose last name starts with a K
- Doesn't take care of his half brother
- He was a community activist/organizer.
- Truth Squads.
- Many of the things listed above prefaced with the term 'radical'.
- He likes arugula.
- He thinks he's the messiah.
- People think he's the messiah.
- He doesn't put his hand over his heart for the national anthem.
- He doesn't wear a flag pin.
- He thinks he's a rock star.
- He had columns behind him.
- He snubbed the Clintons.
- He's opposed to nuclear energy
- He can't pay for anything he is proposing
- He supports homosexual civil unions
- He's not black enough.
- He's obsessed with homosexuals and their 'rights'.
- He's arrogant.
- He smokes.
- ACORN
- Obama took money from Fannie and Freddie
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 11:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by PaperNotes View Post
Are you "deniers" who are trying to ridicule me trying to say:

-That the Soviet Union didn't help create radical Marxist-Leninist groups all over the world including the US where it manifested in the form of many radical and environmental groups during the 60s-70s
-That Patrick Moore didn't personally see Marxist learn Green/environmentalist language
-That many of the modern elite in the media, such as actors and musicians, weren't 60s radicals, connected to 60s radicals or befriend radicals to get ahead in business and politics
-Obama took no money from Freddie and Fannie.
-The Chinese weren't heavily invested in Freddie and Fannie.
-That Obama hasn't said he is going to scrap SDI and cut defense spending
-That Obama has no connection to ACORN
-That ACORN didn't put pressure on banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them
-That ACORN isn't a radical group
-That ACORN isn't being watched right now by the Justice Dept for possible voter fraud

I can provide evidence indefinitely to prove all the above is true (In fact I will give you a list of names and verifiable actions of each person).

I have already given you "useful idiots" who are brainwashed a start so you can deprogramme yourselves. If you are trying to deny the above at all, then Yuri Bezmenov's interview is validated - useful idiot Leftists will always deny such and such is happening until they feel the pinch themselves
Neo it's time to go back to the Matrix. Morpheus is calling.
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Nov 3, 2008, 12:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
The Communists figured out with the fall of Soviet Communism that they would never be able to destroy the West and particularly America economically because of the inherent inadequacy of their economic model.
Soviet Communism was a threat to the West because of its right-wing authoritarian, militarist, and hyper-nationalist nature. Authoritarianism, militarism, and hyper-nationalism were the threats, not the left-wing communist economic model. The economic model was such a "threat" to the West that we've practiced variations of it in Western Europe for over 100 years.

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Originally Posted by PaperNotes View Post
Are you "deniers" who are trying to ridicule me trying to say:

-That the Soviet Union didn't help create radical Marxist-Leninist groups all over the world including the US where it manifested in the form of many radical and environmental groups during the 60s-70s
-That Patrick Moore didn't personally see Marxist learn Green/environmentalist language
-That many of the modern elite in the media, such as actors and musicians, weren't 60s radicals, connected to 60s radicals or befriend radicals to get ahead in business and politics
-Obama took no money from Freddie and Fannie.
-The Chinese weren't heavily invested in Freddie and Fannie.
-That Obama hasn't said he is going to scrap SDI and cut defense spending
-That Obama has no connection to ACORN
-That ACORN didn't put pressure on banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them
-That ACORN isn't a radical group
-That ACORN isn't being watched right now by the Justice Dept for possible voter fraud
10 points. Only 3 about Obama; 1 of which is irrelevant, 1 which is spun and 1 which can also be said about McCain.
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 12:14 PM
 
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ACORN! I forgot to put ACORN in my list...

Thanks PaperNotes!
He's an "inadequate black male" - Harriet Christensen

An "Ay-Rab" - White trash supporters.

He's an "Arab/ Terrorist/ Kill Him!" -Palin supporters

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Nov 3, 2008, 12:15 PM
 
Monday mornings can always be a bit of a slow go... thanks for the comedy to brighten the start of the day!

     
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Originally Posted by The Crook View Post
He's an "Arab/ Terrorist/ Kill Him!" -Palin supporters
The Secret Service has no record of that utterance. On the other hand, you have a gay radical talk show host in Frisco calling for the death of Joe the Plumber.

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Originally Posted by The Crook View Post
Soviet Communism was a threat to the West because of its right-wing authoritarian, militarist, and hyper-nationalist nature. Authoritarianism, militarism, and hyper-nationalism were the threats, not the left-wing communist economic model. The economic model was such a "threat" to the West that we've practiced variations of it in Western Europe for over 100 years.
lol. That's right, folks. This brainwashed guy believes the left-wing communist economic model is productive. Even Marx said that productivity is created by capitalism. When productivity can no longer progress then the capitalist model and technology reaches its maximum level, then capitalism evolves into socialised system according to Marxist theory.

No left-wing, big government, socialised system can be productive because by its very nature it has too much red tape, bureaucracy, political control and profit distribution. This makes it unrewarding for individuals and companies (if they can even exist without interference) to be inventive or productive. They prefer to run away to a free land.

I can't believe we can even have such a conversation in 2008. When such conversations takes place it is so shocking that the words of Yuri Bezmenov hit home even harder. Really, so many demoralised, brainwashed, "useful idiots" who have been turned against the very capitalist free market system that feeds them, educated them, and allows them to be expressive and productive.
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Nov 3, 2008, 12:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
The Secret Service has no record of that utterance. On the other hand, you have a gay radical talk show host in Frisco calling for the death of Joe the Plumber.
Or you have a Joe the Plumber saying Obama's election is a "threat to democracy" and that he's "unpatriotic."

On a major cable news channel, Fox News.

Yeah, touché for me.

Edit: And as for "no record." It's on tape for anyone to hear. It's clearly audible. You're actually disputing supporters said this? I was expecting at least some sort of paranoid explanation like "Obama sent those guys into the crowd to make us look bad!"

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The Secret Service has no record of that utterance. On the other hand, you have a gay radical talk show host in Frisco calling for the death of Joe the Plumber.
You're free to start an anti Joe the Plumber list.
     
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Nov 3, 2008, 12:29 PM
 
We should write a random generator of some sort using the master list. If someone can help me think of a way to use it in a funny way I'll do the code
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Nov 3, 2008, 12:39 PM
 
I don't think either he or McCain is really supportive of our freedom. We're kind of over the barrel either way. But Obama could strangle kittens for relaxation and he'd still be slightly preferable to McCain's VP choice.
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I draw the line at strangling kittens. Adult cats maybe, but definitely not kittens.
     
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But Obama could strangle kittens for relaxation and he'd still be slightly preferable to McCain's VP choice.
Play the Kitten Cannon!

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lol. That's right, folks. This brainwashed guy believes the left-wing communist economic model is productive. Even Marx said that productivity is created by capitalism. When productivity can no longer progress then the capitalist model and technology reaches its maximum level, then capitalism evolves into socialised system according to Marxist theory.

No left-wing, big government, socialised system can be productive because by its very nature it has too much red tape, bureaucracy, political control and profit distribution. This makes it unrewarding for individuals and companies (if they can even exist without interference) to be inventive or productive. They prefer to run away to a free land.

I can't believe we can even have such a conversation in 2008. When such conversations takes place it is so shocking that the words of Yuri Bezmenov hit home even harder. Really, so many demoralised, brainwashed, "useful idiots" who have been turned against the very capitalist free market system that feeds them, educated them, and allows them to be expressive and productive.

So is Obama Communist, Socialist, or both?
     
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Play the Kitten Cannon!
1005 feet!

P.S. I choose to believe those are adult cats, and not kittens.
     
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1005 feet!

P.S. I choose to believe those are adult cats, and not kittens.
Impressive distance.

My best so far is only 571 feet.
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Nov 3, 2008, 12:52 PM
 
So, now people who vote for Obama are not only "useful idiots" they are also "brainwashed"?

Let me see if I understand:

1) McCain and Republicans spend their time attacking Obama and trying to scare people into voting for McCain (see besson's Master List) rather than talking about the issues because they know they can't win on the issues.

2) Based on the issues, people who feel Obama/Biden are better for the country are "useful idiots" who are "brainwashed".

3) If Obama is elected by these brainwashed useful idiots, he is going to usher in an era of Communism, Socialism, Marxism, and far-left wing liberal policies that are going to destroy our nation because ONE man has the power to do so.

Does that about sum things up? I have never seen people so irrationally scared of one person in my entire life.
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ACORN! I forgot to put ACORN in my list...

Thanks PaperNotes!
You also forgot that he flip-flopped on his support during the MLB playoffs.

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So, now people who vote for Obama are not only "useful idiots" they are also "brainwashed"?

Let me see if I understand:

1) McCain and Republicans spend their time attacking Obama and trying to scare people into voting for McCain (see besson's Master List) rather than talking about the issues because they know they can't win on the issues.

2) Based on the issues, people who feel Obama/Biden are better for the country are "useful idiots" who are "brainwashed".

3) If Obama is elected by these brainwashed useful idiots, he is going to usher in an era of Communism, Socialism, Marxism, and far-left wing liberal policies that are going to destroy our nation because ONE man has the power to do so.

Does that about sum things up? I have never seen people so irrationally scared of one person in my entire life.
I just hope my arugula salads* aren't tarnished in any way in this election. If not, then all is fine.

* These salads have arugula in them, but I don't make them exclusively out of arugula. It is in my nature to be inclusive after all.
     
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Is this the BIG news?!?!
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
So is Obama Communist, Socialist, or both?
I said already, he's an elitist useful idiot just like Al Gore, Richard Branson, Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, George Galloway, Ken Livingstone, etc who were all programmed during the 60s-70s and are now running the application that was coded into their stupid skulls. Once these useful idiots are no longer useful to their communist masters they will be sent to the Trash and deleted most quickly.

That was according to the plan that the Soviets had during the the time of the Soviet Union. Obviously conditions in Russia have changed and now the capitalist Russian elite is looking on in amusement as their old programme is running amock in America . One must laugh.

When the public sees this "global warming" hysteria was all bullshit and it keeps getting colder, and all these new taxes and controls make life expensive, and when more radical and terrorist groups gather strength abroad as they always do when Democrats are elected, then all these American Leftists will turn on each other like hungry dogs, each one breaking the promises they made to the other one.

The saddest thing is that a genuine black leader, and not this half baked fully scripted idiot Obama, will never be elected because of the lunacy going on right now. It will be Obama and the Democrat's fault.
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Nov 4, 2008, 08:54 AM
 
Comedy gold, Paper Notes, comedy gold!
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Nov 4, 2008, 08:57 AM
 
Come on! There has to be a link between this, HAARP and the FAKE RAINBOWS!!!

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Nov 4, 2008, 09:27 AM
 
Originally Posted by PaperNotes View Post
I said already, he's an elitist useful idiot just like Al Gore, Richard Branson, Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, George Galloway, Ken Livingstone, etc who were all programmed during the 60s-70s and are now running the application that was coded into their stupid skulls. Once these useful idiots are no longer useful to their communist masters they will be sent to the Trash and deleted most quickly.
Hmmmm... Maybe "he has a communist master" should go in my GML?

That was according to the plan that the Soviets had during the the time of the Soviet Union. Obviously conditions in Russia have changed and now the capitalist Russian elite is looking on in amusement as their old programme is running amock in America . One must laugh.
This is wonderfully incomprehensible

When the public sees this "global warming" hysteria was all bullshit and it keeps getting colder, and all these new taxes and controls make life expensive, and when more radical and terrorist groups gather strength abroad as they always do when Democrats are elected, then all these American Leftists will turn on each other like hungry dogs, each one breaking the promises they made to the other one.
You do know that the weather becoming colder and colder does not refute the theory of climate change? Just checking...
     
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Nov 4, 2008, 09:53 AM
 
The next generation of socialist Muslim community leaders being trained in a secret metal bunker:
     
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Nov 4, 2008, 10:36 AM
 
Well I don't buy any of this conspiracy crap either but before you laugh too hard remember that one of the insidious things about some of the worst leaders we have known is that you don't always see them coming.

Not sayin' I think that this describes Obama…just sayin'.
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Nov 4, 2008, 10:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
Well I don't buy any of this conspiracy crap either but before you laugh too hard remember that one of the insidious things about some of the worst leaders we have known is that you don't always see them coming.

Not sayin' I think that this describes Obama…just sayin'.

I would agree on both counts, and add as a corollary that you don't necessarily need a "capital C" sized conspiracy to get to that point either.
     
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Nov 4, 2008, 10:42 AM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
Well I don't buy any of this conspiracy crap either but before you laugh too hard remember that one of the insidious things about some of the worst leaders we have known is that you don't always see them coming.

Not sayin' I think that this describes Obama…just sayin'.
Have you ever stopped to think that your fears are irrational? I mean, you've had a really difficult time putting your finger on them, hence the GML. To an outsider looking in, the wide range of flailing arguments you have shared with us which have been picked apart at length seem either wildly incoherent, or else simply full of all sorts of bias.

You see, the best way to make a good argument is to make it without all of this emotional baggage, and to make it clearly and consistently, and if it is that important you should probably stick to it rather than switch every week or so, adding more to the GML.

Take vmarks for example... He believes that taxation is stealing (excuse me if my paraphrasing is a bit off, vmarks). He is very consistent in this regard, and people respect his opinion on this matter for the most part.


EDIT: Oppps.. disregard this, this is addressed to stupendousman, not smacintush. Sorry, I got the two confused.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Have you ever stopped to think that your fears are irrational?
Ummm... ...isn't the entire basis of every Dem campaign founded in irrational fears? ("Bush will cause WWIII, McCain is Bush!!!")
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Ummm... ...isn't the entire basis of every Dem campaign founded in irrational fears? ("Bush will cause WWIII, McCain is Bush!!!")
Many Democrats, this is true, but not mine. Then again, I don't think that irrational fears aren't an inherent property of either Democrats or Republicans, but of the stupid human race as a whole.
     
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Nov 4, 2008, 12:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Ummm... ...isn't the entire basis of every Dem campaign founded in irrational fears? ("Bush will cause WWIII, McCain is Bush!!!")
That's much more true of McCain's campaign this year than Obama's. With McCain, we have all these accusations of covert socialism and being a "secret Muslim" and all the other things on besson's list.

The "same as Bush" thing isn't so much an irrational fear as an observation of McCain's recent voting record. He used to be a maverick like he said, but he's been sticking pretty close to the President in recent years.
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Nov 4, 2008, 12:04 PM
 
Both parties prey on fear. The democrats make you afraid of the economy and the republicans make you afraid of being taxed to death and killed by terrorists.

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and all the other things on Dakar's list.
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Nov 4, 2008, 12:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Hmmmm... Maybe "he has a communist master" should go in my GML?
Make sure it says "soviet master" instead, if you add it
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
You're dead to me.
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
You're dead to me.
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Ummm... ...isn't the entire basis of every Dem campaign founded in irrational fears? ("Bush will cause WWIII, McCain is Bush!!!")
You're deflecting.
The arguments are not new, similar things were spread about JFK when he was running for president.
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