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May 27, 2008, 11:20 AM
 
Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth View Post
I've always found Heineken far too bitter for my taste. I'm not much for beer, but I usually drink Yuengling Lager.
Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
It's not even that bitter, it's like bitter and sour had a bastard offspring.
Heineken bitter ?

You should try a Jever then.



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May 27, 2008, 11:43 AM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Shiner Bock
Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Guiness
Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout or Pure Brewed Lager
Others....

Heineken is not "bad" but only when compared to wimpy American beers like Bud and Miller. A really robust beer that has decent flavor beats the green bottle all the time. But I still like their commercials.
Young's and Guinness plus a LOT more (I've until now tasted more than 100 different beers - of course not in a row!)...

Bud and Miler are not beer, but more urine coloured water.
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May 27, 2008, 12:00 PM
 
I've been thinking that as well.
     
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May 27, 2008, 12:08 PM
 
No German beer will ever contain rice.
     
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May 27, 2008, 12:12 PM
 
Originally Posted by Mastrap View Post
No German beer will ever contain rice.
Oh glorious German Purity Law.

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May 27, 2008, 12:22 PM
 
because as far as such beer goes, it has a LOT more flavor than bud or miller or whatever.

i'm partial to IPA's personally lately... cant get enough bite... or alcohol in one bottle... mmmm... beer.
     
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May 27, 2008, 12:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Oh glorious German Purity Law.

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Sam Adams Boston Lager claims to have passed the German Purity Laws and can be sold there.
     
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May 27, 2008, 12:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Sam Adams Boston Lager claims to have passed the German Purity Laws and can be sold there.
Actually, you CAN sell rice beer in Germany.

But you CAN NOT brew beer in Germany and call it beer if it contains anything other than hopes, malt, water (plus, optionally, yeast and wheat).

In detail, it's more complicated than that, but for this discussion, this should suffice.

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May 27, 2008, 02:35 PM
 
Personally, I like Heineken. It's not my favourite, but I certainly wouldn't turn it down if it was handed to me.

It's the beer of the Jedis after all.



P.S. There is a beer joke up here in Canada... What the difference between US beer and sex in a canoe? Not much, cuz they're both fracking close to water.

P.P.S. I also like this green-bottled beer:



Again, it's not my fave, but I think it's pretty good.
     
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May 27, 2008, 03:18 PM
 
Ok, just tried something worse than Miller or Bud. It was a Maternus Gold which came in a 500 ml. plastic bottle - really classy!



Avoid it at all costs. It tastes like water with a hint of malt and salt, and has a colour like an urine sample! Nasty...
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Originally Posted by Mastrap View Post
There is so much good beer out there, I have no idea why people drink this stuff.
Marketing. Same reason why people like Red Bull and Mountain Dew.
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May 27, 2008, 03:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by vexborg View Post
came in a 500 ml. plastic bottle - really classy!
Tsingtao beer gets sold in plastic bags. Still tastes good.



I also buy wine in plastic bottles. Some Australian and New Zealand wines come that way for example.

I don't doubt your claim that Maternus Gold tastes like crap, but I suspect it has nothing to do with the bottle.
     
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May 27, 2008, 03:39 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Again, it's not my fave, but I think it's pretty good.
Considering that it is also known as Asia's Heineken that makes sense.

It's not for me, but in a pinch I'll drink it.
     
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May 27, 2008, 03:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Tsingtao beer gets sold in plastic bags. Still tastes good.

I also buy wine in plastic bottles. Some Australian and New Zealand wines come that way for example.

I don't doubt your claim that Maternus Gold tastes like crap, but I suspect it has nothing to do with the bottle.
Never tried Tsingtao - where is it sold?

But one thing is wine (which can come in glass or plastic bottles, or in cardboard boxes - and still taste good. But I really believe that beer should come in a glass bottle. It might just be me, I might just be a snob?
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May 27, 2008, 04:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Tsingtao beer gets sold in plastic bags. Still tastes good.



I also buy wine in plastic bottles. Some Australian and New Zealand wines come that way for example.
Ha,

This reminds me of some high school trips to the Czech Republic in the early 90es.

We'd go and take 1/2 gal Coke bottles and have them refilled with beer at the train station pub before boarding the train. The refill cost like $ 0.30. For about 1/2 gal of beer. Can't beat that price

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May 27, 2008, 04:53 PM
 
Living abroad for 8 years, I found that Heinekein was the most common beer to find, so you develope a taste for it much as people swill Buds.

In other words, it's good for general beer drinking but not when you can get the good stuff.

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May 27, 2008, 04:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by vexborg View Post
Never tried Tsingtao - where is it sold?
All over the world.

But one thing is wine (which can come in glass or plastic bottles, or in cardboard boxes - and still taste good. But I really believe that beer should come in a glass bottle. It might just be me, I might just be a snob?
Personally I think beer should come out of a tap.
     
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May 27, 2008, 05:14 PM
 
They recently started selling Heineken Light here in Sint Maarten. You might as well be drinking water. What a joke.

I like all kind of beers. I love to experiment with the micro-brewery beers. I don't know why everyone bitches about beers like Bud. For a pale lager I think it's just fine (although I suppose the addition of rice may be deemed blasphemous).
     
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May 27, 2008, 05:22 PM
 
I don't like Bud. But I like the ads.

     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
I don't like Bud. But I like the ads.
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May 27, 2008, 06:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Personally I think beer should come out of a tap.
Unless you're home and don't have the luxury to have a keg on hand. Then glass is the way to go.

For some reason, Young's actually packages their products, including Double Chocolate Stout, in aluminum cans. I don't care if it's a bit less expensive, I will NOT buy that. I will buy it in bottles and be happier.

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May 27, 2008, 06:55 PM
 
I drink budweiser sometimes, when all I want is a cold beer on a hot day. Rolling Rock is another go-to favorite.

I love beer, except I'm not a fan of the heavy on the hops ipas everyone stateside seems so enamored with. Sometimes all I want is a nice cold summer drinking beer.
     
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May 27, 2008, 08:26 PM
 
used to drink Heineken but now i think it is gross.

I dont drink much anymore but when i do i like

Summit Extra Pale Ale
New Castle Brown Ale
Paulaner Hefe-Weizen

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May 28, 2008, 01:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug View Post
P.S. There is a beer joke up here in Canada... What the difference between US beer and sex in a canoe? Not much, cuz they're both fracking close to water.
Heh. It seems the joke may be universal.

From a guy from the Netherlands:

An American enters a bar in Amsterdam and asks for an American beer. They don't have any in stock so he asks the closest thing to it: He gets a glass of water.
Josh Vanbeek, Amersfoort, Netherlands


P.S. J/K. There are many American beers I've tried which I liked.

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Unless you're home and don't have the luxury to have a keg on hand. Then glass is the way to go.
It was just a mildly sarcastic remark, to the statement that snobs require it to be in a bottle.
     
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May 28, 2008, 02:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
For some reason, Young's actually packages their products, including Double Chocolate Stout, in aluminum cans. I don't care if it's a bit less expensive, I will NOT buy that. I will buy it in bottles and be happier.
WTF is Double Chocolate Stout ???
     
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Originally Posted by Mastrap View Post
Sorry, but that's wrong - you can't possibly compare these two. Beck's is a traditional Northern German beer. It hasn't been changed for export and is still brewed in Germany according to German laws rather than under license.
I never said they tasted similar, just that they were fairly equally bad.
     
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May 28, 2008, 02:43 PM
 
I've been drinking this local beer lately (not because it's organic, but just because I like it).

Original Organic Lager :: Mill Street Brewery :: East Toronto's First Commercial Brewery



Costs too much though.

P.S. I never buy Heineken, even I say I think it's fine. And I also think Beck's is fine too, although I don't buy that one either.
     
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May 28, 2008, 02:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cipher13 View Post
I never said they tasted similar, just that they were fairly equally bad.
There's a difference between I don't like it and this is bad.
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
I've been drinking this local beer lately (not because it's organic, but just because I like it).

Original Organic Lager :: Mill Street Brewery :: East Toronto's First Commercial Brewery



Costs too much though.

P.S. I never buy Heineken, even I say I think it's fine. And I also think Beck's is fine too, although I don't buy that one either.
I tried it, because I am a granola muncher at heart. Too fizzy and thin for my personal liking.
     
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Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
WTF is Double Chocolate Stout ???
They use malt barley that's roasted to a chocolate brown, then they add real chocolate to the brew. It has a rich, complex flavor that you actually can taste the chocolate in. So it's a stout (+), it's rich for a stout (++) and it's got subtle but definite chocolate flavors (+++!). What's not to like about it?

To be honest, I thought it would turn out to be kind of sweet, but I tried it because my wife said she couldn't drink a whole bottle. It's not sweet, but it is great.

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There's a difference between I don't like it and this is bad.
No there isn't - not when we're talking about something that can only ever be subjective. Any criticism is, naturally, nothing more than my opinion.
     
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Thing is, most people that buy Heineken see it next to the Bud Light at the gas station and think they're getting something really exotic. I'd recommend Becks if you like Heineken.

The Double Chocolate Stout rules by the way. It isn't my favorite, but kicks the hell out of Guinness.
     
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Originally Posted by Mastrap View Post
I tried it, because I am a granola muncher at heart. Too fizzy and thin for my personal liking.
Hmmm... I can see how people might think it's "thin", as it does have a rather light taste to it. However, I didn't find it particularly fizzy, or at least not any more so than most of the commonly available bottled beers.
     
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Originally Posted by CollinG3G4 View Post
Thing is, most people that buy Heineken see it next to the Bud Light at the gas station and think they're getting something really exotic. I'd recommend Becks if you like Heineken.

The Double Chocolate Stout rules by the way. It isn't my favorite, but kicks the hell out of Guinness.
I like Beck's a lot. But I prefer more complex beers, like Double Chocolate Stout. Not that I dislike Guinness, but Guinness seems sort of harsh in comparison.

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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Guinness seems sort of harsh in comparison.
Have to have had a well-poured pint before you truly experience Guinness as it was meant to be.

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Originally Posted by vexborg View Post
But one thing is wine (which can come in glass or plastic bottles, or in cardboard boxes - and still taste good.
Outside of America, many higher quality wines are stored in a box. It holds the flavor a lot better than a bottle with cork/wax. A cardboard box just doesn't seem as fancy as a bottle, though.
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May 28, 2008, 04:29 PM
 
I don't mind Heneiken as long as it's really cold. I myself like Corona, but I will drink pretty much anything.
     
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No there isn't - not when we're talking about something that can only ever be subjective. Any criticism is, naturally, nothing more than my opinion.
Sorry, but that's wrong. One is a beer brewed in Germany by German brewmasters according to the German purity law. The other is a beer brewed wherever under license. One is of higher quality than the other. That doesn't mean that you have to like it, but there is a difference in quality there that has little to do with being subjective.
     
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Originally Posted by Randman View Post
Have to have had a well-poured pint before you truly experience Guinness as it was meant to be.
I'm told that the closer to Dublin you have it, the better it is. The closest I've been is Topronto... Which means I've only ever had Guinness in bottles or in local bars that thought they were cool. The one place I might have had it served right I'm quite certain I never had Guinness in (Maggie Mae's in Austin). Pity...

I don't remember the last place I had Guinness draft, but it was here in Texas, and I wouldn't bet that the guy behind the bar knew stout from Starbucks. LOTS of places call themselves "pubs" and even "Irish pubs," but I have it on good authority that almost all of them are full of it.

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May 28, 2008, 06:16 PM
 
i would just like to say, as someone who lives in China,

tsing tao is amazing in america
and absolute piss water in china...
although, I live a long ways from tsing tao, and i hear in the city itself it's pretty good...

but.. that said it used to cost about 10cents per bottle... (now its closer to 50cents) and thats still a good price for a beer.

Heineken in china is WAY better than tsing tao (which by the way, is pronounced ching dao)
     
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I agree. I had Guinness a few times stateside and it was ok. But then while abroad, I was able to have a truly good pint and I've become a fan even though I prefer it with a hearty meal rather than by itself (liquid bread). I've not been to Ireland (London is as close for me), but you can get a good pour stateside if you look around. It's worth it.

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Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
WTF is Double Chocolate Stout ???
A very excellent ale - take a look here...

Young's Double Chocolate Stout - Wells & Young's Brewing Company Ltd - www.wellsandyoungs.co.uk
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I know at least a handful of bartenders who take pride in a proper Guinness pour. A couple of them even have Irish accents.(stateside)
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Originally Posted by IceEnclosure View Post
I know at least a handful of bartenders who take pride in a proper Guinness pour. A couple of them even have Irish accents.(stateside)
The best pour doesn't help if the barrel is old or you get the last pints of a barrel.

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Originally Posted by vexborg View Post
To be honest I'm shocked.

The same company that makes Directors makes Double-Choco-Poofta-Juice. I don't know any of my mates thats would stay in the pub with me if I ordered that. Its a bit like ordering a shandy or something.
     
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Duvel and Chimay are excellent beer brands. Americanwise, I am a fan of Bell's and San Francisco Brewing Co. brands.

There's a lot of good beer out there, and even more bad. Heneiken is no different than bud/miller/coors in that they attempt to please as many people as possible and market as much as possible.
     
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Originally Posted by Railroader View Post
Duvel and Chimay are excellent beer brands. Americanwise, I am a fan of Bell's and San Francisco Brewing Co. brands.

There's a lot of good beer out there, and even more bad. Heneiken is no different than bud/miller/coors in that they attempt to please as many people as possible and market as much as possible.
A dear lady friend of ours says that if you give a lady Chimay, "she might."

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Originally Posted by IceEnclosure View Post
I know at least a handful of bartenders who take pride in a proper Guinness pour. A couple of them even have Irish accents.(stateside)
At the Guinness Brewery, they teach you how to pour the perfect pint and then give you a certificate. It was fun.

Anyway, Heneiken is nasty stuff. I think I would rather drink Bud heavy than Heneiken.

For cheap beer I drink coors light. For enjoying, I drink sierra nevada pale ale, various sam adams, green monsta ale, dogfishhead 90 minute IPA, and some others.

I feel like wheat beers are for people that don't really like beer. Gross stuff.
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