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Ahhh, Topic Police! It's about time They showed up on these forums.
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And beyond!


I meant to do this off-topic stuff earlier, so its ok
     
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well that makes a smidge more sense.
     
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It makes a disturbing amount of sense because the guy rockets himself out to space with a post it note that says "FIX IT!" because he thinks aliens can cure his prostate cancer.
     
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That is indeed slightly disturbing.
     
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ALL IN GOOD FUN

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I KNOW! I knew from the start, I'm not that daft. I'm just having fun with it.
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Is that really what Shaddim meant? That sounds very different from the way he was portraying things so I'm curious as to why you'd try to clarify in that fashion, but it's no business of mine either way.
Yeah, I meant 20-30k. Hard to pass up a chance at a quick $1M for so little effort.
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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Yeah, I meant 20-30k. Hard to pass up a chance at a quick $1M for so little effort.
Surely $1M would be the outlay not the profit?
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Since we're not allowed to discuss Shaddim's Net Worth any more, could sombody please start a separate thread about it ?

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Surely $1M would be the outlay not the profit?
Umm, no. I already had the 458 Italia brochure sitting on my desk. So beautiful in yellow. Mmmm.


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Since we're not allowed to discuss Shaddim's Net Worth any more, could sombody please start a separate thread about it ?

-t
I already talked about it when I sold that business months ago. People became irritable, for some reason.
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Aug 29, 2011, 06:27 PM
 
Haters.

The only way for you to gain the love of the lefties is to complain about being taxed too low.
They love that kind of sincerity. Lip service FTW.

But I digress.

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Those 458s are prone to catching fire.

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I wanna be rich but I can't figure out how. That's why I stay Liberal.
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Working hard ≠ rich

Not anymore, anyways.
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Keep on topic boys.
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Hows about that hurricane eh?
     
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That's how Tim Cook should end all of his keynotes.

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I want to be rich but I don't want to become the man it takes in order to do it.
You don't want to build a successful business, sell it, and then invest while retiring? I'll admit, it takes some attention to detail, but it doesn't it turn you into Dr. Evil. You can treat it any way you like. Personally, we donate 5x more to non-profits than we spend, which I guess is unusual for "that type of person".
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Anyhoo, the agency who represents that photographer is standing its ground.

Steve Jobs TMZ Ill Photo Not Fake, It Is Real

We spoke with someone directly at Pacific Coast News photo agency, the same agency that represents the photographer who took the Steve Jobs picture. According to them, it is a real image of what the former Apple CEO looks like today.

“These pictures were taken by a staff photographer. I can assure you that photograph is not fake. The only photoshop that has happened on those frames is some very basic color correction and a few alternative crops,” a representative from Pacific Coast News said in a statement.

“I’m afraid the guys with the conspiracy theories are wrong. It is rather sick to suggest anyone would manipulate a photograph of a gravely ill man to make him look worse. So, humbling and sad as the pictures are, they are 100% genuine,” the representative said.
     
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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
You don't want to build a successful business, sell it, and then invest while retiring? I'll admit, it takes some attention to detail, but it doesn't it turn you into Dr. Evil. You can treat it any way you like. Personally, we donate 5x more to non-profits than we spend, which I guess is unusual for "that type of person".
I don't know what line of business you were in but there are definitely some where being a dick really helps you to succeed. I'm not saying its 100% essential, just helps a lot.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Anyhoo, the agency who represents that photographer is standing its ground.

Steve Jobs TMZ Ill Photo Not Fake, It Is Real

We spoke with someone directly at Pacific Coast News photo agency, the same agency that represents the photographer who took the Steve Jobs picture. According to them, it is a real image of what the former Apple CEO looks like today.

“These pictures were taken by a staff photographer. I can assure you that photograph is not fake. The only photoshop that has happened on those frames is some very basic color correction and a few alternative crops,” a representative from Pacific Coast News said in a statement.

“I’m afraid the guys with the conspiracy theories are wrong. It is rather sick to suggest anyone would manipulate a photograph of a gravely ill man to make him look worse. So, humbling and sad as the pictures are, they are 100% genuine,” the representative said.
Ya, but fanboys won't believe it. They believe whatever Apple/The WSJ feed them.
     
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Ya, but fanboys won't believe it. They believe whatever Apple/The WSJ feed them.
I don't NEED the WSJ to feed me pictures like that. My mind is not that sick.

I'll stick to the official news as they come in.

F*cking paparazzi. That whole industry can go to hell.

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I don't understand how paparazzi can stalk people legally, yet if I go hide out side of a random pretty girl's house and take pictures of her, I'm a stalker and go to jail.
     
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I don't NEED the WSJ to feed me pictures like that. My mind is not that sick.

I'll stick to the official news as they come in.

F*cking paparazzi. That whole industry can go to hell.

-t
Ya... But I think you misuderstood. The WSJ is the Apple puppet. They're the ones saying Steve is great! In a nutshell. Apple PR uses them to communicate with the world. The picture, on the other, is sadly where the truth likely resides.
     
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We'll now the truth once we read the official obituary.

Until then, I hope he has a great time with his family and friends. I don't care to know the details of his health.

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We'll now the truth once we read the official obituary.

Until then, I hope he has a great time with his family and friends. I don't care to know the details of his health.

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Ya. But you have to realize the man is behind a very profitable public company. People want to know what's up to plan their investments.
     
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I don't understand how paparazzi can stalk people legally, yet if I go hide out side of a random pretty girl's house and take pictures of her, I'm a stalker and go to jail.
I hope you're not speaking from experience.

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This is from the DPReview forums:

Paparazzi and legal issues: Open Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

What I am about to write is based upon U.S. law. Canada, the UK and Australia tend to be alike, but my expertise in the U.S. As for my expertise, I served as Executive Director of ASMP, American Society of Media Photographers from 1988 through 2002. I live this kind of issue ever day.

The law (Right to Privacy) is not based upon commerce. The Right to Privacy is a US Constitutional guarantee. At the same time the right to free speech is also guaranteed in the Constitution. Publishing a photograph as information is protected Free Speech. So, it is in a book, a newspaper, an exhibit, etc. no one can stop you from publishing it without a court order, which they would be unlikely to get in the USA (and I think Canada, the UK, and Australia).

However, a person's privacy is protected from allowing others to use their likeness to promote a product or service. These uses are commonly referred to a trade and advertising uses. they boil down to uses that directly are aimed at selling something from a toaster to a corporate image. In those cases you need a model release.

Licensing a photo for use in a newspaper, book, etc is a commercial transaction. So you can now see that commerce is not the issue. Advertising and promotion are the issues. In short, it is how the photograph is used that determines whether permission to publish it is needed.
     
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Aug 30, 2011, 12:13 AM
 
No I don't speak from experience.
I'm actually assuming that I can't stalk people. But the rest of what you just wrote doesn't explain the difference between what a paparazzi does and what a sneaky obsessed person would do. In other words, why can't famous people call the police and have all of the paparazzi arrested for stalking? Cause it IS stalking, in my book.
     
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IANAL, but it my understanding that if it's in a public place, or at least if the photographer is in a public place, and the photograph is licenced for a news report, then that is considered acceptable. Obviously, breaking into someone's yard to take a picture of them showering isn't the same thing as sitting in the back of a car on a public road and shooting a picture as you drive by a celebrity's house. I use this latter example because it's what was postulated by some as how the supposed Steve Jobs picture was obtained.

Right to privacy vs. right to free speech.

However, laws are changing, and are different in different countries. Princess Caroline of Monaco successfully sued a bunch of magazines for publishing her family's private activities, even though they were in public places. eg. Shopping, dining, etc.
     
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You can take a picture of anything in public (in the United States).

As mentioned, you cannot misappropriate a person's likeness for commercial gain. So you can't take a picture of Steve Balmer walking down the street, and use that picture in an advertisement saying "I'm Steve Balmer and I love [Product X]." But you can certainly take a picture of him, and sell it for as much as you want. Even without his permission (the reason that some reality TV producers ask folks to sign waivers after being filmed in public is to cover their asses, because in theory you can be sued for anything).

But the legal issue of misappropriating a person's likeness has little to do with photographing and publishing people's photos, and more to do with making it appear as though a person is endorsing a product.
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Surely any photo published in a paper or magazine is intended to sell papers or magazines?
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
You can take a picture of anything in public (in the United States).

As mentioned, you cannot misappropriate a person's likeness for commercial gain. So you can't take a picture of Steve Balmer walking down the street, and use that picture in an advertisement saying "I'm Steve Balmer and I love [Product X]." But you can certainly take a picture of him, and sell it for as much as you want.
Which part of "selling it for as much as you want" does NOT constitute "commercial gain"?

Even IF you were saying would you thought you were saying, you'd be wrong. Since you've roundly canceled yourself out, there's not even ground for discussion, though.
     
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Spheric--do you understand what misappropriating one's likeness means, in the legal sense? It does not mean "taking a picture."

There is a subtle yet significant difference between taking a picture and selling it, and using a picture to misappropriate the likeness of a celebrity. The latter is not relevant to this discussion of Steve Jobs, but Eug brought it up with the article he posted.

Let me boil it down to a basic example: You can't take a picture of Steve Jobs and put it in an advertisement for Levis jeans. You can't even dress a robot up in a black turtleneck, jeans, grey sneakers, and round glasses, and put the robot in a commercial for, say, Samsung. This would be considered misappropriating his likeness for commercial gain.

You can, however, take a picture of Steve and sell it to whomever you like, for however much you want. That's because you are merely taking his picture, not "misappropriating his likeness." It's a weird distinction, and you can blame California attorneys for creating it.
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I bet if I start taking pictures of teenagers in public space, and then selling it to some "news outlet", I'd be in jail fast.

It's a double standard.

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It's cool, because it's legal to lie in America if you're a publication.
     
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I bet if I start taking pictures of teenagers in public space, and then selling it to some "news outlet", I'd be in jail fast.

It's a double standard.
Not necessarily. First, let's assume it's an adult teenager for simplicity's sake.

Let's say you sold it to a porn site. Yes, you'd get into trouble, and for good reason.

Now let's say you sold it to a newspaper doing an article on current teenage clothing styles. You still may get an irate parent threatening to sue, or maybe a punch in the face, but it's a completely different kettle of fish.

Legal Pitfalls in Taking or Using Photographs of Copyright Material, Trademarks and People.

I wonder if you're confusing law with ethics.
     
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First off, thanks Kerrigan for pointing out the "misappropriation" distinction. I'd indeed missed that. That distinction is in line with the link Eug posted above.


Regarding the teenagers vs. Jobs, there's a clear distinction in most jurisdictions between "common" folk and public personalities.

If you're a celebrity, it comes with the status and the job that you need to tolerate some degree of exposure, which includes candid photography. There are limits to this, however, and especially in Europe, court decisions have recently come rather heavily in favor of celebrities who saw their, or their families', privacy encroached.

In this case, I'm sure Jobs would have a case if he decided to sue, especially if the image was manipulated. That would be incredibly bad taste, but since this isn't satire or commentary (where it would definitely be protected), I'm not sure how the legal status is. It's probably quite different in the US from over here, as well.

Can anybody in the know clarify the borders of privacy and image manipulation?
     
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No, but I can assume, speculate, and call those that disagree with me "fanboys."
     
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It's cool, because it's legal to lie in America if you're a publication.
Or politics.
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Or politics.
Turtle?
     
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Tim Cook's newest idea posted on his Twitter:


The iPhone 5? What a load of sh*t! - sent from my iToilet


     
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it's cool that tim cook is now the most powerful (openly) gay man in america/world...
     
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I don't think he's openly gay. At least, he hasn't announced it to the public at large.

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I have an easier time believing that photo.
     
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it's cool that tim cook is now the most powerful (openly) gay man in america/world...
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I don't think he's openly gay. At least, he hasn't announced it to the public at large.
I think it's generally just an "understood" thing. He doesn't make a big deal about it, and I doubt he will in the future. I don't see him granting any personal interviews dealing with his sexuality.

I've already heard about people threatening a boycott.
     
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I've already heard about people threatening a boycott.
I hope it's by gay people protesting he's not open enough about it.
     
 
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