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Apple has to ditch the term "Rendezvous"
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Jul 21, 2004, 11:18 AM
 
Earlier today, Tibco representatives confirmed that the two companies had come to an out of court agreement, but were not at liberty to discuss the terms of the pact. An official request for dismissal was reportedly filed by Tibco earlier this month.

Sources close to the negotiations say that, as part of the deal, Apple has agreed to phase out its use of the "Rendezvous" name.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=558

Looks like it is OpenTalk from now on.

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Jul 21, 2004, 11:19 AM
 
That's dumb, but oh well...
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 11:27 AM
 
All those 3rd party printer and Apple packaging materials that have the tern Rendezvous now is obsolete. Not to mention all the help files in OSX have to be changed.

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Jul 21, 2004, 11:29 AM
 
What's dumb is that Apple dropped the ball and didn't get good lawyers involved. A trademark search isn't that hard.

Perhaps they had the Mozilla legal team working on this one....
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 11:31 AM
 
Originally posted by diskgolfking:
What's dumb is that Apple dropped the ball and didn't get good lawyers involved. A trademark search isn't that hard.

Perhaps they had the Mozilla legal team working on this one....
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Jul 21, 2004, 11:44 AM
 
Out of curiosity, a quick "Google" of OpenTalk yields a TON of things already out there...hmm...including Apple's old OpenTalk jargon from back in OS 9...
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 11:51 AM
 
I can't wait for a 10.3.5 update to address this serious issue!
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 12:26 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:
Out of curiosity, a quick "Google" of OpenTalk yields a TON of things already out there...hmm...including Apple's old OpenTalk jargon from back in OS 9...
Doesn't matter it's who has it Tradmarked with the "Gubment" and now that is Apple. I just checked the Trademark Office and Apple has the only "live" "Opentalk" tm.
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Jul 21, 2004, 12:32 PM
 
Originally posted by diskgolfking:
What's dumb is that Apple dropped the ball and didn't get good lawyers involved. A trademark search isn't that hard.

I am sure they knew about it and just didn't care. iTools and iDisk were also taken long before Apple started to use them. These guys just decided to fight back.

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Jul 21, 2004, 12:33 PM
 
i wonder iff the change will be made in 10.3.5 or 10.4
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 12:48 PM
 
Originally posted by mishap:
i wonder iff the change will be made in 10.3.5 or 10.4
I think it'll come into effect immediately.

Not sure about the new nae though, OpenTalk reminds me of AppleTalk.
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 12:52 PM
 
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
I think it'll come into effect immediately.

Not sure about the new nae though, OpenTalk reminds me of AppleTalk.
Probably a good thing since they are both related to networking.

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Jul 21, 2004, 01:02 PM
 
Originally posted by diskgolfking:
What's dumb is that Apple dropped the ball and didn't get good lawyers involved. A trademark search isn't that hard.

Perhaps they had the Mozilla legal team working on this one....
When Tibco was formed from the prior corporations who had trademarked ' Rendezvous' they failed to file the appropriate papers to move the � to their newly formed company. The � was then left open and available.
However, Tibco kept using it and basically they dropped the ball, not Apple. Seems that Apple relinquished the � to Tibco in an effort to stave off high court costs. I bet they didn't receive a dime, just an agreement for Apple to discontinue the use of it. The agreement could have included a phase out period so that existing literature, marketing materials, etc could be used without having to be replaced.
Our company was in a similar situation, over the use of an expired � from another company. We reached agreement where we didn't have to throw away existing materials which saved us a lot of money.
The use of Rendezvous is still in 10.3.5, at least in the current build.
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 01:11 PM
 
Originally posted by sanity assassin:
I think it'll come into effect immediately.
So they're going to put out an update right away for the sole purpose of changing the word "Rendezvous" to "OpenTalk?" I don't think so.
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 02:14 PM
 
Well, it is easy to spell...

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Jul 21, 2004, 02:28 PM
 
Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Not to mention all the help files in OSX have to be changed.
Things like this are why computers have had search-and-replace since, um, forever.

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
I think it'll come into effect immediately.
What part of "agreed to phase out" is unclear? "Phase out" is a gradual thing, and they didn't mention a timeframe.

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Jul 21, 2004, 02:31 PM
 
Originally posted by tooki:
Things like this are why computers have had search-and-replace since, um, forever.


What part of "agreed to phase out" is unclear? "Phase out" is a gradual thing, and they didn't mention a timeframe.

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They are idiots for choosing OpenTalk as the name now. It sounds dull and reminds you too much of the AppleTalk area. They might as well just use the generic "Zeroconf" name in that case.

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Jul 21, 2004, 04:51 PM
 
I wonder what this thread would look like if Apple had the � on "Rendezvous" and Tibco was using the term withoug their permission?
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 05:04 PM
 
Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I wonder what this thread would look like if Apple had the � on "Rendezvous" and Tibco was using the term withoug their permission?
"OMFG, Apple should SUE THEM INTO THE GROUND. PIECES OF ****," I would imagine.

So if Apple changes it, what are they going to call it? SuperEasyConnect? ISeeYou Networking? OhThereYouAre? Sup0rConnex0rs?
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 06:04 PM
 
Originally posted by wataru:
So they're going to put out an update right away for the sole purpose of changing the word "Rendezvous" to "OpenTalk?" I don't think so.
Not an update to the software, I don't think you understood the posters question. The question was if the change would happen in .3.5, in which I said the changes would probably happen as of right now. Makes sense, all references to Rendezvous will be updated to OpenTalk as soon as.
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 06:06 PM
 
Originally posted by tooki:
Things like this are why computers have had search-and-replace since, um, forever.


What part of "agreed to phase out" is unclear? "Phase out" is a gradual thing, and they didn't mention a timeframe.

tooki
And? The phasing out is obvious, Apple can't exactly just instantaneously change all references overnight, of course it wil happen gradually. In my mind, it wil happen as of now, and when humanely possible all references will be changed.

edit:

As per Appleinsiders info, the changes are happening as of now.

"Apple has already halted distribution of new Rendezvous brand licensees, and it would seem likely that Apple's Rendezvous technology will be re-branded under the name OpenTalk."
     
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Jul 21, 2004, 06:21 PM
 
Apple better send me a new user manual for 10.3 since mine is now obsolete.

Personally I think it should be named RendezvousExtreme, but that's just me.

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Originally posted by The DJ:
They are idiots for choosing OpenTalk as the name now. It sounds dull and reminds you too much of the AppleTalk area. They might as well just use the generic "Zeroconf" name in that case.
I like "OpenTalk". It bridges the gap between modern IP networking and the AppleTalk days of user-friendliness much more than the name "Rendezvous" ever did.

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Jul 21, 2004, 06:25 PM
 
OpenTalk? Totally a step down on the coolness scale.

I agree with tooki, though�it is much user-friendly. Rendezvous does sound cooler, though, IMO.
     
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Can Apple use iRendezvous?
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Jul 21, 2004, 08:29 PM
 
I should imagine that the closeness to the AppleTalk name is intentional - Stuart Cheshire's early ZeroConf Essays mentioned that nothing was as easy to set-up or browse for services on as AppleTalk - so he created appletalk-like ease of use for IP - ZeroConf.

http://www.stuartcheshire.org/rants/NBPIP.html

It makes sense - it's like AppleTalk - but Open.

A lot of people still think of Rendezvous as an "automatic" service discovery thing - but that's only one of it's three legs.

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Even if it doesn't have the same coolness factor, "OpenTalk" does make good logical sense for three reasons that spring to mind:

1. It's open. It's based on an open protocol (ZeroConf) that anyone can use, and therefore can easily be integrated into any peripheral/software.

2. It's for "talking" across a network. So it's an open protocol for networking.

3. It sounds a bit like "AppleTalk". Although AppleTalk was not the greatest for networks, it did have some excellent features, which OpenTalk/Rendezvous/ZeroConf has (primarily automatic discovery & configuration). OpenTalk IS essentially an open replacement for AppleTalk networking.

"OpenTalk" says all that in one word. Well, two words. Well, whatever.
     
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Originally posted by tooki:
I like "OpenTalk". It bridges the gap between modern IP networking and the AppleTalk days of user-friendliness much more than the name "Rendezvous" ever did.

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And people can spell it!
     
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Originally posted by Xeo:
And people can spell it!
Yes, because French Mac users are not people.

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Are you suggesting the French are indeed people? Quand le Fran�ais devient-il les gens? Vive la France!
     
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Originally posted by Developer:
Yes, because French Mac users are not people.

People have problems spelling my last name. It's Czech. Does that mean that Czechs are not people?

Give me a break.

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Well, they ARE different.. they are Czechs after all
     
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Originally posted by CharlesS:
People have problems spelling my last name. It's Czech. Does that mean that Czechs are not people?
I don't follow your "logic" here.
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Originally posted by Developer:
I don't follow your "logic" here.
You were claiming that he was saying the French are not people by stating that people have a hard time spelling "Rendezvous." I just find that kind of silly.

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Well, native English speakers have a hard time saying my name correctly, Jorge, maybe that qualifies me as a no-people human being? Can I?
     
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Originally posted by tooki:
I like "OpenTalk". It bridges the gap between modern IP networking and the AppleTalk days of user-friendliness much more than the name "Rendezvous" ever did.

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Me too. OpenTalk sounds nice and froendly. Very 80s.
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Originally posted by voodoo:
Me too. OpenTalk sounds nice and froendly. Very 80s.
And it rhymes with OpenDoc. Oh wait, we wanted to forget about that didn't we? Nevermind....
     
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Originally posted by diskgolfking:
And it rhymes with OpenDoc.
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Since Zeroconf works on local subnets, maybe Apple should call it LocalTalk.
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Here's another Rendezvous (probably, not all that known):



OpenTalk sounds very good, anyway (IMHO)...

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What about "OpenWide". that would make an interesting icon.

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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
I think it'll come into effect immediately.

Not sure about the new nae though, OpenTalk reminds me of AppleTalk.
And that is bad how? Zeroconf came about because Apple network engineers missed AppleTalk's ease of discovery in TCP/IP. Zeroconf is basically AppleTalk for the IP.

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Originally posted by gorickey:
"Apple Renames All Technologies"

Not funny. They even confused Spotlight for CoreImage.

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I'm Waiting for the networking page to update.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/rendezvous/

I wonder if they are going to use the same icon?
     
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Never liked the name. Loved the icon though (even if it looks like a weird bio-hazard warning/sci-fi cop logo).

OpenTalk is a bit dull but also very apple - have a look at the apple legal trademark page to see how many *Talk trademark they already have.

It's quite nice to see Apple back down actually.

And www.opentalk.com are probably about to make $49,995
     
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Originally posted by sambeau:
Never liked the name. Loved the icon though (even if it looks like a weird bio-hazard warning/sci-fi cop logo).

OpenTalk is a bit dull but also very apple - have a look at the apple legal trademark page to see how many *Talk trademark they already have.

It's quite nice to see Apple back down actually.

And www.opentalk.com are probably about to make $49,995
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Originally posted by driven:
But will the Apple version help me find my soul mate?
No, but it may help you find her printer
     
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Originally posted by sambeau:
No, but it may help you find her printer
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Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Hey, nice office - I wish I could use that many Macs at the same time!
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