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"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Well huh. There's a spin on a patronising stereotype I've never heard before. Andi, as our resident woman, are you more inclined to call out serial fantasists at certain points in your cycle?
Yes, we all expected you to change your mind. You'd still vote for her over Trump if she didn't have a pulse. Other people? Not so much.
Actually I would vote for whoever the Dems replaced her with on the ticket. Be that Tim Kaine, Bernie Sanders, etc. But apparently, the actual sensible alternative didn't even occur to you.
You people are really underestimating the percentage of people who are voting against Trump rather than for Clinton.
She was never the most amiable candidate who could illicit the enthusiasm of the masses. Trump however is such a cretin of a human being and a threat to the financial best interests of the country that she could in fact be on death's door and be a more optimal choice than the alternative.
Umm... yeah they do. Baptismal water is certainly consecrated in most protestant denominations. Episcopalians/Anglicans (maybe others?) will sprinkle it as a blessing in other situations, on people, buildings, etc. There is a font of consecrated water near the entrance of many churches that some parishioners will dip their fingers prior to crossing themselves upon entering.
I'm afraid Catholics don't have a monopoly on the stuff.
Umm... yeah they do. Baptismal water is certainly consecrated in most protestant denominations. Episcopalians/Anglicans (maybe others?) will sprinkle it as a blessing in other situations, on people, buildings, etc. There is a font of consecrated water near the entrance of many churches that some parishioners will dip their fingers prior to crossing themselves upon entering.
I'm afraid Catholics don't have a monopoly on the stuff.
No validly ordained Priest, no Holy Water. They can call it holy water, but it ain't, just like when they have a "communion service". No validly ordained Priest, no transubstantiation.
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No validly ordained Priest, no Holy Water. They can call holy water, but it ain't, just like when they have a "communion service". No validly ordained Priest, no transubstantiation.
I don't have a dog in this race as it's all superstition as far as I'm concerned, but you somehow mange to insult and belittle the religious beliefs of others as much or more as any 'militant atheist' out there.
I don't have a dog in this race as it's all superstition as far as I'm concerned, but you somehow mange to insult and belittle the religious beliefs of others as much or more as any 'militant atheist' out there.
You must be very proud.
I'm confused. Isn't this a statement of basic Catholic dogma?
The question is whether that chunk is enough to swing a national election. It's not. What swings national elections for Republicans is Democratic candidates not even realizing how utterly condescending they are.
The Democrats don't have to agree with guns and God, just maybe take slightly less of a dump on those people's heads.
I don't have a dog in this race as it's all superstition as far as I'm concerned, but you somehow mange to insult and belittle the religious beliefs of others as much or more as any 'militant atheist' out there.
You must be very proud.
Originally Posted by subego
I'm confused. Isn't this a statement of basic Catholic dogma?
I'm confused. Isn't this a statement of basic Catholic dogma?
You are from Chicago. Let's say I'm from New York. If I were to say that not only is New York style pizza superior to Chicago Deep Dish pizza, pizza made anywhere other than New York in the traditional style is objectively not pizza. This is controversial and an affront to the pizza makers and pizza eaters of Chicago.
He is saying that only Catholic Holy Water is real Holy Water and the Protestants, Hindus, Sikhs, etc are deluding themselves with their silly false beliefs.
Of course it's basic Catholic dogma that they are right and everyone else is going to hell. One has a choice if they want to be a dick about it in a public forum.
You are from Chicago. Let's say I'm from New York. If I were to say that not only is New York style pizza superior to Chicago Deep Dish pizza, pizza made anywhere other than New York in the traditional style is objectively not pizza. This is controversial and an affront to the pizza makers and pizza eaters of Chicago.
He is saying that only Catholic Holy Water is real Holy Water and the Protestants, Hindus, Sikhs, etc are deluding themselves with their silly false beliefs.
Which is essentially the exact same point I was making in the "Defining Christianity" thread. Wish I had thought of this pizza analogy because it's spot on.
You are from Chicago. Let's say I'm from New York. If I were to say that not only is New York style pizza superior to Chicago Deep Dish pizza, pizza made anywhere other than New York in the traditional style is objectively not pizza. This is controversial and an affront to the pizza makers and pizza eaters of Chicago.
He is saying that only Catholic Holy Water is real Holy Water and the Protestants, Hindus, Sikhs, etc are deluding themselves with their silly false beliefs.
Of course it's basic Catholic dogma that they are right and everyone else is going to hell. One has a choice if they want to be a dick about it in a public forum.
Pizza≠the Eucharist. Close because people are "religious" about their pizza, especially the Neapolitans.
You really show you are more ignorant of Catholic dogma/doctrine than I am. I'm learning, and have more to learn. When I have a question at least I have orthodox resources I can consult. You seem to get your info from purveyors of the Black Legend.
You are from Chicago. Let's say I'm from New York. If I were to say that not only is New York style pizza superior to Chicago Deep Dish pizza, pizza made anywhere other than New York in the traditional style is objectively not pizza. This is controversial and an affront to the pizza makers and pizza eaters of Chicago.
He is saying that only Catholic Holy Water is real Holy Water and the Protestants, Hindus, Sikhs, etc are deluding themselves with their silly false beliefs.
Of course it's basic Catholic dogma that they are right and everyone else is going to hell. One has a choice if they want to be a dick about it in a public forum.
I've got to clear up the most important part first. Chicago pizza, and deep dish pizza in particular, is shit. We've basically trolled the entire country. I'd take New York pizza, or a local copy, almost any day of the week.
With that out of the way, I don't see the "silly" moniker implied in the statement under analysis.
I've got to clear up the most important part first. Chicago pizza, and deep dish pizza in particular, is shit. We've basically trolled the entire country. I'd take New York pizza, or a local copy, almost any day of the week.
With that out of the way, I don't see the "silly" moniker implied in the statement under analysis.
Lou Malnati's just open a place here. Gino's East is remodeling a building and will open soon. There was an Aurelio's Pizza, it looks like it's called Spinato's now. We have Pizzaria Uno downtown.
Enough about pizza, back to Hillary's possible imminent death/ouster
Well huh. There's a spin on a patronising stereotype I've never heard before. Andi, as our resident woman, are you more inclined to call out serial fantasists at certain points in your cycle?
You certainly are.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Actually I would vote for whoever the Dems replaced her with on the ticket. Be that Tim Kaine, Bernie Sanders, etc. But apparently, the actual sensible alternative didn't even occur to you.
"Whoever"? Yeah, I know.. I've always been for Bernie, they replace her with him and I'm on board with them. As it is, I'm still voting Gary Johnson.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
No validly ordained Priest, no Holy Water. They can call it holy water, but it ain't, just like when they have a "communion service". No validly ordained Priest, no transubstantiation.
Exactly. No apostolic succession, no holy water or transubstantiation.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Of course it's basic Catholic dogma that they are right and everyone else is going to hell. One has a choice if they want to be a dick about it in a public forum.
According to Catholic catechism the validity of sacraments hingnes on not breaking the chain of apostolic succession. That means amongst non-Catholic denominations of Christianity, Catholics accept the validity of only very few of them: in some cases Protestant denomination developed out of Catholic congregations, and in that case, all the sacraments (including the one to ordain ministers) are valid. Probably the most important example is the Church of England. Of course, all of this only matters if you happen to believe in it — or if you feel the need to be accepted by the Catholic Church as a “true” Christian.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
At the end of the day the point is that such things are a matter of FAITH. But deeply held faith does not necessarily equate to incontrovertible truth. And those who ascribe to the former yet lose sight of the latter have been the source of some of the worst bloodshed and oppression mankind has ever known.
Originally Posted by OreoCookie
Of course, all of this only matters if you happen to believe in it — or if you feel the need to be accepted by the Catholic Church as a “true” Christian.
According to Catholic catechism the validity of sacraments hingnes on not breaking the chain of apostolic succession. That means amongst non-Catholic denominations of Christianity, Catholics accept the validity of only very few of them: in some cases Protestant denomination developed out of Catholic congregations, and in that case, all the sacraments (including the one to ordain ministers) are valid. Probably the most important example is the Church of England. Of course, all of this only matters if you happen to believe in it — or if you feel the need to be accepted by the Catholic Church as a “true” Christian.
36. Therefore Adhering Entirely To The Decrees Of The Pontiffs Our Predecessors On This Subject, And Fully Ratifying And Renewing Them By Our Authority, On Our Own Initiative And With Certain Knowledge, We Pronounce And Declare That Ordinations Performed According To The Anglican Rite Have Been And Are Completely Null And Void.
Exactly. No apostolic succession, no holy water or transubstantiation.
It's amusing watching you pontificate on these issues. It's like a primary student of middling intelligence discus particle physics. He may know some of the words, but clearly lacks fundamental understanding.
It's quite telling that in your mind calling me a woman is an insult. Your need to demonstrate your latent misogyny outweighed your desire to object to being labelled a fantasist. Interesting.
You are from Chicago. Let's say I'm from New York. If I were to say that not only is New York style pizza superior to Chicago Deep Dish pizza, pizza made anywhere other than New York in the traditional style is objectively not pizza. This is controversial and an affront to the pizza makers and pizza eaters of Chicago.
Not to mention Italy.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
With that out of the way, I don't see the "silly" moniker implied in the statement under analysis.
You are correct. Using the term 'silly' trivialised the actual, and scornful, nature of his statement. It is one thing to politely disagree. It is another to dismissively invalidate the beliefs of others.
The concept of 'Holy Water' has been around much longer than the Catholic Church, and it is used in the rituals of many faiths.
You are correct. Using the term 'silly' trivialised the actual, and scornful, nature of his statement. It is one thing to politely disagree. It is another to dismissively invalidate the beliefs of others.
Don't most religious beliefs inherently, as in by definition, invalidate the others?
I feel the charge of dismissal could apply if the subject under discussion was opinion, but it's not opinion, it's dogma.
You are correct. Using the term 'silly' trivialised the actual, and scornful, nature of his statement. It is one thing to politely disagree. It is another to dismissively invalidate the beliefs of others.
The concept of 'Holy Water' has been around much longer than the Catholic Church, and it is used in the rituals of many faiths.
Yet, it is most associated with the Catholic Church. When someone is in need of Holy Water, I doubt they truck on down to the local Buddhist temple to get some.
Yet, it is most associated with the Catholic Church. When someone is in need of Holy Water, I doubt they truck on down to the local Buddhist temple to get some.
I would agree that for a subset of the population, this is true. Raised as an Episcopalian, I certainly didn't associate it primarily with the Catholic Church. I'm sure the 1b+people of India likely don't think Catholic when they think Holy Water.
But I will accept YOU (and millions of others) primarily associate Holy Water with the Catholic Church. And had you said that, we wouldn't be having this discussion. What you said that the millions, if not billions, of believers of other faiths had no claim to the concept. And you did so rather dismissively.
Don't knock people for treating your beliefs the way you treat the beliefs of others. It makes you look bad.
Originally Posted by Chongo
Back on topic.
Yes, by all means, get back to your insightful and illuminating discourse on Hillary's health.
You'd still vote for her over Trump if she didn't have a pulse. Other people? Not so much.
I've always been for Bernie, they replace her with him and I'm on board with them. As it is, I'm still voting Gary Johnson.
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