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so how long for apple to release a 64-bit OS for the G5's?
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so when do you think apple will come out with a fully optimized 64-bit OS of Panther for the G5's?
i'd say they won't have it ready until 10.4 at least.
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Why do you need a full 64 bit OS? What would be the advantages over the partly 64 bit 10.3?
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Originally posted by ankle_brains:
so when do you think apple will come out with a fully optimized OS of Panther for the G5's?
Fixed.
It'll take a good while before the OS can be declared 64-bit "clean", but Apple can still make tons of tweaks to make it even take further advantage of other features of the G5.
Fact of the matter is: SWG is dead on, having a 64-bit OS won't improve jack (unless you are doing math which requires ULTRA high levels of precision). It's a marketing ploy. Don't get me wrong, going 64-bit is a very good step in the right direction for general computing, but as it stands now, it's still in it's infancy.
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Originally posted by NOT Misanthrope:
Fact of the matter is: SWG is dead on, having a 64-bit OS won't improve jack (unless you are doing math which requires ULTRA high levels of precision). It's a marketing ploy. Don't get me wrong, going 64-bit is a very good step in the right direction for general computing, but as it stands now, it's still in it's infancy.
The single most important 64-bit feature of a 64-bit OS is the ability of individual apps to address more than 4 GB.
For the scientists who need this, they stick with Linux on x86, even though many may want to get a Mac.
Lots of databases, etc. are over 4 GB these days.
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Originally posted by NOT Misanthrope:
Fact of the matter is: SWG is dead on
WHAT?
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
The single most important 64-bit feature of a 64-bit OS is the ability of individual apps to address more than 4 GB.
For the scientists who need this, they stick with Linux on x86, even though many may want to get a Mac.
Lots of databases, etc. are over 4 GB these days.
Yea, you're right. I forgot about this entirely. If I remember correctly though, there are some hacks implemented that allow 32-bit CPUs to address more than 4GB of RAM. It probably isn't as clean or efficient as using a straight 64-bit CPU, but it's still an option.
Originally posted by dillerX:
WHAT?
Aye, I'm not Misanthrope.
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Originally posted by dillerX:
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sad but true. 
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Originally posted by dillerX:
WHAT?
Shouldn't that be 
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
The single most important 64-bit feature of a 64-bit OS is the ability of individual apps to address more than 4 GB.
Remember, in OS X, the Apps don't touch the memory Thank God... only the OS does...
Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
For the scientists who need this, they stick with Linux on x86, even though many may want to get a Mac.
Many scientists use Macs. Shake is a perfect example. The Mac is starting to make a small comeback in this area.
Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Lots of databases, etc. are over 4 GB these days.
Well, I have databases that are over 4 GB... What I don't have are databases that are over a few Terabytes in size which require 8+ GB of RAM and 64 bit accuracy.
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Originally posted by NOT Misanthrope:
Aye, I'm not Misanthrope.
My world has ended.
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Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Remember, in OS X, the Apps don't touch the memory Thank God... only the OS does...
Sorry, you are confused. Apps in OS X cannot see more than 4 GB.
Many scientists use Macs. Shake is a perfect example. The Mac is starting to make a small comeback in this area.
Do you know what Shake is?
Well, I have databases that are over 4 GB... What I don't have are databases that are over a few Terabytes in size which require 8+ GB of RAM and 64 bit accuracy.
You have 4 GB databases? Like what?
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Do you know what Shake is?
Steven Spielberg is a scientist!
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
You have 4 GB databases? Like what?
dillers aria picture directory is AT LEAST 4GB.
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Mac OSX will be 64-bit clean when they drop support for G4s and lower. In about 8 years!
Besides, it's been beaten to death that the APPS need to be 64-bit aware, not the OS.  Hasn't it? 
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My XBox is 128-bit...beat that Apple...
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Originally posted by scaught:
dillers aria picture directory is AT LEAST 4GB.
Ah, yes, probably true, but the database used to organize it would not be 4 GB.
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Shouldn't that be
Who's the fat chick?
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Do you know what Shake is?
I think he may have meant BLAST.
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I'm surprised that Panther isn't 64 bit compatibility. It would seem that they would add it with 10.4. Is there anything currently that uses the 64 bit on the G5?
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Who's the fat chick?
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Sorry, you are confused. Apps in OS X cannot see more than 4 GB.
I stand corrected.
Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Do you know what Shake is?
Sorry, I was talking about Blast...
Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
You have 4 GB databases? Like what?
I have databases of well over 4GB. Mailing list information for various nonprofit organizations.
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By the way, 64-bit binaries are actually marginally slower than 32-bit binaries .
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Originally posted by gorickey:
My XBox is 128-bit...beat that Apple...
Your XBox's video card is 128-bit. So is your Mac's video card.
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Originally posted by hayesk:
Your XBox's video card is 128-bit. So is your Mac's video card.
In fact, some vid cards are 256-bit these days.
Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 64-bit version of OS X Server in the near future (esp. now with the Xserve G5s out). But as far as regular OS X goes, probably not anytime soon.
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Oh no. Not the dreaded "bits."
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I've got a 64 bit gaming system... and it's over decade old!!!
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