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Apr 6, 2006, 08:46 AM
 
Beta is available at

http://www.parallels.com/

I am installing Windows XP as I type this. Looks extremely fast. Installation is as fast as I installed with Apple Bootcamp.

More results later as I get over with installation
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Apr 6, 2006, 09:02 AM
 
There's already a short thread in the Mac OSX forum on this... I have already done the install, and yes it was fast, but there was something about it I didn't like -can't really put my finger no it.

It was sluggish compared to the native XP boot, and it doesn't have native video drivers - so no games. I also posted a couple of screenshots in the other thread

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=291652
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Apr 6, 2006, 09:06 AM
 
Originally Posted by harrisjamieh
There's already a short thread in the Mac OSX forum on this... I have already done the install, and yes it was fast, but there was something about it I didn't like -can't really put my finger no it.

It was sluggish compared to the native XP boot, and it doesn't have native video drivers - so no games. I also posted a couple of screenshots in the other thread

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=291652

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Apr 6, 2006, 09:18 AM
 
Installed and Running:

1. A little bit slower than native XP Boot. Has to be since its running in virtualization mode.
2. Way Way Faster then VPC on a G5
3. Installation and working are seamless. No probs at all
4. No 3d accel but I dont need that. I can dual boot to native windows for that.
5. Excellent for working alongside OSX. I cant even believe that we could have this kind of sppeds
6. I will only need to reboot for windows when I play games. All my other apps will run fine in this. I like the speed
7. Office is running fine.
8. Acrobat 7 is running fine
9. Some of my Windows only Apps running just fine.
10. Goodbye to VPC, Q, Wintel, Guest PC, etc etc

UPDATE:
1. Not near native speeds but much faster than VPC, so a nice welcome piece of software
2. Multitasking a little slow. If you run program the system responsiveness goes does a bit.
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Apr 6, 2006, 09:26 AM
 
hmmm... very interesting!
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 09:40 AM
 
1. Little keyboard issues appeared, like some keys working erratically. But a reboot of windows fixed that. (Its a BETA after all)
2. Suspend and resume works perfect so far
3. Does not bog down the system. I was compressing video for my ipod in handbrake, running windows xp on parrallel, Browsing on safari, playing iTunes. System did not slow down at all and was very responsive. GREAT! GREAT!

Lets hope the final version will bring speed improvements and other improvements
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Apr 6, 2006, 11:12 AM
 
I'm trying on a MBP and it seems that I cannot get the CD ROM to use as the built-in Optical drive. Instead, it only lets me use an ISO file. Is anyone else running into this problem? Alternatively, whats a quick and easy way to convert my Windows CD into an ISO image in OSX?

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Apr 6, 2006, 11:52 AM
 
download discblaze from radical breeze. It is universal. the demo will let you do 5 tasks. save the disc as an image. it will create .iso file
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Apr 6, 2006, 12:38 PM
 
Installed Boot Camp last night, and installing Parallel right now.

Both give me a big smile, as I have a few IE/Wintel/ActiveX apps that I absolutely have to use.

VPC sucked, and it wasn't even a possibility with my MBP, so now I have *two* solutions!

**Correction**. It appeared from the Parallel software forums that Airport didn't work. In fact it works great on my MPB.

And if you install the "tools" after your VM is up and running, you get decent video support as well. Change resolution, etc.

I'm not a gamer so I can't speak to game video performance.
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I totaly love my core duo. Glad I sold my G5. Love you Apple for this......
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Apr 6, 2006, 01:59 PM
 
Can you use the drivers disk that Boot Camp makes to solve the problem of there being no graphics & airport drivers in Parallels ?
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 02:10 PM
 
It would be nice if Parallels could use an actual disk partition, rather than an image. Having Windows installed on my Mac is a bit painful, but having it installed TWICE is just aggravating.
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 02:20 PM
 
Originally Posted by Gee4orce
Can you use the drivers disk that Boot Camp makes to solve the problem of there being no graphics & airport drivers in Parallels ?
Though I haven't tried it, I am 99% sure this will not work, as its not a drivers problem, its the fat that the virtual machine does not relate directly to the hardware, hence it doesn't "know" that the computer has an ATI x1600, for example. No drivers can fix that.
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Apr 6, 2006, 05:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by addiecool
download discblaze from radical breeze. It is universal. the demo will let you do 5 tasks. save the disc as an image. it will create .iso file
How do I use an app to create the iso when I can't get the CD to stay in my mac? I guess I'll just head over to my linux box.
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 06:12 PM
 
re: virtualisation and drivers - isn't this what Intels VT tech is designed to solve ? If not, what DOES it do ?
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 07:05 PM
 
Would it ever be possible to have a windows program in OSX (or some kind of shortcut) that when you open it, it runs pretty much transparent in it's own window without running in a VirtualPC type application?
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Anybody know how to get a MBP running parallels to wake from sleep? Mine consistently reboots instead of waking if I have a virtual machine running in parallels.
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Apr 6, 2006, 09:39 PM
 
Originally Posted by Abbas
I'm trying on a MBP and it seems that I cannot get the CD ROM to use as the built-in Optical drive. Instead, it only lets me use an ISO file. Is anyone else running into this problem? Alternatively, whats a quick and easy way to convert my Windows CD into an ISO image in OSX?

Thanks
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I had the same problem. I used Disk Utility to create a disk image of the DVD I was using. Click the disk in Disk Utility (not the volume, the root--the disk itself), then select File->New->Disk Image From diskx. For format, choose DVD/CD master, and put the image wherever you want. After the image is created, change the extension from .cdr to .iso. Then, Parallels can use it.

I still wasn't able to get Windows 2000 installed (two system crashes before the image was even formatted), but at least I found a work-around to this issue.
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Apr 6, 2006, 09:57 PM
 
So I have a copy of Virtual PC 6.1 with Windows XP home edition on it . . ..

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but . . . can the Windows XP on Virtual PC discs be used to install to Parallels or am I going to need to shell out more $ to get a regular disc?
I saw this question asked, but not answered, over at the Parallels forum . . .

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Apr 6, 2006, 10:10 PM
 
I can't seem to find the answer… drag and drop abilities or copy files between windows/environments?

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Apr 6, 2006, 10:18 PM
 
Hey addiecool: in that other (locked) thread, I was totally kidding about the end of the Mac. I thought I made it apparent by adding "We're all going to die!!!!!", but sarcasm can be tricky on the internet.

Anyway, like I said there, I would imagine this method is the best solution for most Mac users with a need for Windows. I hope there's eventually a solution that works like OS 9 did on Macs before 2003, wherein you could use the same partition for dual-booting or virtualization. That way, if you need to let Windows have some low-level hardware access, you boot into the same environment you're used to from the VirtualPC-ish app.
     
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Apr 6, 2006, 10:47 PM
 
My main question is about hardware addressing.

1. Is it sending off the print job to the OS X drivers or is it handling the printing itself?
2. How about USB sharing? Can when I plug in my wife's Treo to sync, do I have to disable either hotsync manager or missing sync in order for the sync to progress?
3. Can I use my old scanner that doesn't work under OS X?
4. Will it try to import my flash card to both OS's when I plug it in?
     
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Apr 7, 2006, 03:09 AM
 
With regards the DVD/CDRW problem defaulting to ISO files, I was able to map it to the physical DVD/CDRW on my MBP by first quitting Workstation and then reopening it again. It's actually written in the Users guide, but they should have made that the default.

My biggest problem with Parallel's Workstation is that I can't seem to figure out how to configure Win XP to access the internet through my Airport Extreme card on my MBP. Any advice?
     
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Apr 7, 2006, 04:17 AM
 
Under the Network Adapter settings change the selection box under "Bridged Ethernet" from en0 to en1. Work's perfect for me.

I absolutely love this app! After installing the Tools, I can now seamlessly mouse from the XP virtual environment, to OS X without any keyboard shortcuts. It even recognizes the two-finger scrolling and cntrl-trackpad, to act as a right click. Anxiously looking forward to the final release!
     
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Originally Posted by toneloco28
I absolutely love this app! After installing the Tools, I can now seamlessly mouse from the XP virtual environment, to OS X without any keyboard shortcuts. It even recognizes the two-finger scrolling and cntrl-trackpad, to act as a right click. Anxiously looking forward to the final release!
What tools?
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Apr 7, 2006, 07:11 AM
 
I'm interested in how it handles printing. For instance VPC has a "generic" printer that submits prints to the osx printer. I have limited choices in paper handling and specific printer functions. I own a kodak 1400 that uses 8x12 paper. It really messes things up because I cannot choose the paper size in VPC. I'm wondering if I'll have the same issue in this app?

Anyone care to chime in? I have boot camp installed and when I get home tonight, I'll finish loading the kodak printer drivers and see if I have any issues with usb printing in the native version of windows on my mini.

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Originally Posted by Abbas
I'm trying on a MBP and it seems that I cannot get the CD ROM to use as the built-in Optical drive. Instead, it only lets me use an ISO file. Is anyone else running into this problem? Alternatively, whats a quick and easy way to convert my Windows CD into an ISO image in OSX?

Thanks
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I fixed it simply by quitting and restarting the app.

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This lot had to happen this week, first BootCamp now this.
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Originally Posted by JLL
What tools?
The tools that can be installed from the VM menu.
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Has anyone had luck with the Fullscreen mode? For me it always complains that the host OS doesn't like the guest OS's choice of resolution, no matter what resolution I set Windows to.
     
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Apr 7, 2006, 03:44 PM
 
Word to the wise: Using OS X's Windows sharing to allow access to your home directory from within Parallels Workstation works fine -- just connect to \\external.ip.address\username.

However, this still has these problems:
1. Starting or stopping the sharing while Parallels is running gives me a kernel panic pretty reliably.
2. The necessity of using the external IP address might make it harder to use while unplugged from a network, though perhaps a 169.xx.xx.xx address will work fine.
     
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Originally Posted by Mithras
Word to the wise: Using OS X's Windows sharing to allow access to your home directory from within Parallels Workstation works fine -- just connect to \\external.ip.address\username.

However, this still has these problems:
1. Starting or stopping the sharing while Parallels is running gives me a kernel panic pretty reliably.
2. The necessity of using the external IP address might make it harder to use while unplugged from a network, though perhaps a 169.xx.xx.xx address will work fine.

I read somewhere that those panics don't happen when using wireless. The developer is aware of the issue.
     
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Originally Posted by toneloco28
Under the Network Adapter settings change the selection box under "Bridged Ethernet" from en0 to en1. Work's perfect for me.

I absolutely love this app! After installing the Tools, I can now seamlessly mouse from the XP virtual environment, to OS X without any keyboard shortcuts. It even recognizes the two-finger scrolling and cntrl-trackpad, to act as a right click. Anxiously looking forward to the final release!
Thank you so much for that advice. I would never have figured it out from their documentation. I agree, this is a great application. It would be nice, though to have the ability to drag and drop like Virtual PC offers.
     
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Drag and drop ability will come I imagine.
     
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This may seem elementary, but every option in the manuals has .hdds on the startup volume.

Can the Virtual Machines .hdd belocated on an external volume/disk? Like, say, firewire or usb?

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I have the virtual volume installed on my external USB 2.0 HDD. Works perfectly, although a wee bit slow due to USB 2.0 overhead. I am going to change to a firewire case soon, USB just plain sucXks.
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Hey slugslugslug: sarcasm understood. I got your point but I just explained it further. Share the same feelings....

Originally Posted by slugslugslug
Hey addiecool: in that other (locked) thread, I was totally kidding about the end of the Mac. I thought I made it apparent by adding "We're all going to die!!!!!", but sarcasm can be tricky on the internet.

Anyway, like I said there, I would imagine this method is the best solution for most Mac users with a need for Windows. I hope there's eventually a solution that works like OS 9 did on Macs before 2003, wherein you could use the same partition for dual-booting or virtualization. That way, if you need to let Windows have some low-level hardware access, you boot into the same environment you're used to from the VirtualPC-ish app.
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How about using this on an intel iMac with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse?
     
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How do you transfer files between your Mac and the Parallel's WinXP using local networking?
     
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Apr 9, 2006, 09:15 AM
 
I have it working on Win2K this way:

Latest Parallels buld (2.1.1658.30)
my iMac uses ethernet as the primary interface
Bound Parallels to en1 (wireless)
Turn on SMB sharing on the Mac
Use my network places to connect to \\macs.en0.ip.address

It's a funny way to move things around the same harddrive (ethernet -> router -> wifi-> same computer), but it is functional.
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How did you get the WInXP VM to connect to the internet when setting it to en1?
     
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Originally Posted by macintologist
How did you get the WInXP VM to connect to the internet when setting it to en1?

I’m not sure I understand the question. If your wireless networking is working on the Mac the VM will just bridge into that network en1 and use it. It will not know that it is a wireless connection. Within the vm XP will just see an Ethernet connection and use it.
     
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Originally Posted by macintologist
How do you transfer files between your Mac and the Parallel's WinXP using local networking?

Do you know how to share files over a network with windows machines? None of this stuff is specific to the fact that the windows machine is on the same box. You just use standard windows and macintosh networking stuff.
     
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Originally Posted by macintologist
How did you get the WInXP VM to connect to the internet when setting it to en1?
By having a working wifi connection on en1.
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Any reports on wether Parallels benefits from Core Duo vs Core Solo?
     
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Originally Posted by The Godfather
Any reports on wether Parallels benefits from Core Duo vs Core Solo?
There seems to be noticeable difference. Core Duo can use hardware virtualization, Core Solo only software. This does not mean that Solo would be as slow as Virtual PC in PPC, it is much faster but still much slower than Duo.
     
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Has anyone been able to get sound to work yet from the virtual machine running Windows XP?
     
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Anyone try video chatting with MSN mesenger yet from within Parallels Workstations?
     
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Does anyone have experiences with printing from within the virtual machine? The manual only talks about network printers, but then again, they mention that USB1.1 ports are emulated - so can I simply connect a printer via USB too?
     
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AFAIK sound and USB is not working in the current beta of Parallels.
     
 
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