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griffman · Mar 8, 2001, 05:24 PM

Thought you might all find this link interesting:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/article...instoreevents/

I noticed the link on another board (MacFixIt) and thought I'd share it here. It's an interesting article, especially the line that says "now built for Mac OS X" for both apps, and the fact the the in-store demos they're talking about are set for March 27th - March 30th.

Guess that means they'll be available very very soon after 1.0 ships, if not the same day!

-rob.

Gametes · Mar 8, 2001, 05:26 PM

Pretty conclusive to me griff. Thanks.
Wonder if it'll come with the disk...

PowerBookDude · Mar 8, 2001, 05:29 PM

Alright!!!!

I can't wait for a OS X version iTunes and iMovie!

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mindwaves · Mar 8, 2001, 05:34 PM

Thank you for that link. There is even an instore event where I live. I have to go there if I can just find the place.

mitchell_pgh · Mar 8, 2001, 05:43 PM

Actually, all this means is that it will be available on the 24th. I'm thinking that it will be available via download. That means that they still would have two weeks to work on it until it is released.

I hope it's on the disk...

gorgonzola · Mar 8, 2001, 05:46 PM

I'm glad they pulled it off and had the sense to kill this surprise with a press release. It's good to know that iTunes and iMovie will be available by the time most people get Mac OS X.

Unless you go and buy it in a store on the 24th, iTunes/iMovie will arrive at about the same time Mac OS X does (27-30th via shipping).

Pretty icons.

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Mar 8, 2001, 05:51 PM

Duffman can't wait for iMovie 2 in OSX, oh yeah!

apple emp · Mar 8, 2001, 05:57 PM

Allright Duffman!

that made my day. . .

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griffman · Mar 8, 2001, 06:14 PM

Knowing Mr. Jobs dislike of leaked surprises (see: ATI & January MacWorld), I wonder if this page was really supposed to be published today. Since the events are very close to the OS X launch date, I guess they need to give people time to plan ... but I find it hard to believe Apple wanted official notice of OS X versions of these apps provided on a page talking about in-store events. It's not even an official press release!

Hope nobody in Cupertino's in trouble over this one!

-rob.

Zadian · Mar 8, 2001, 06:22 PM

Could it be, that this page is an answer to the c|net article? A way to say "We're going to ship a complet OS with some cool apps!"?

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bitfly · Mar 8, 2001, 06:28 PM

Doesn't iMovie 2 cost money? How is Apple going to let you download an upgrade?

osiris · Mar 8, 2001, 06:31 PM

pretty cool news. maybe we'll see a DVD surprise too?

PowerBookDude · Mar 8, 2001, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by bitfly:
Doesn't iMovie 2 cost money? How is Apple going to let you download an upgrade?

iMovie 2 costs US$49 (it comes with every FireWire Mac). They will probably just going to put a update on there web site, like 2.0.4 or 2.0.5 for current users to download.

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moonmonkey · Mar 8, 2001, 06:57 PM

Wooohooo, I hope the visualiser runs at a decent speed

[email protected] · Mar 8, 2001, 07:31 PM

Maybe this should be in a different thread but...
I want some serious scriptability in both of these apps.

Jim Paradise · Mar 8, 2001, 07:37 PM

Kick-ass! I hope there's some way that I can import my playlist off of iTunes (non-carbon) for the OS X version.

I really liked that about iTunes... I took my really large playlist in SoundJam and just copied it over. I hope there is a way to do this in the OS X version. I've got my mp3 for OS X now! Yes!

SirCastor · Mar 8, 2001, 07:42 PM

In reply to somebody, I don't want to busrt bubbles, but I doubt we'll see a DVD surprise. It's been officially announced that that won't be getting it. Originally the MacCentral article said that the iApps were just unlikely. Glad to hear that's false..
iTunes will likely show up on the Disc, but why would iMovie be there? That's an app which only came with iMac DVs..

-Aaron (Everyday OS X gets more exciting.. I don't want to wait.. Aggh!)

griffman · Mar 8, 2001, 07:49 PM

I don't think you'll have to 'import' anything; your old playlists should just work -- after all, it's still iTunes!

-rob.

Mar 8, 2001, 08:07 PM

Just because there is a mention of iApps for OSX doesn't mean they'll be at the next Demo Days. In the past, Demo Days have been canceled, moved, or had their theme changed. This supposed evidence isn't proof, merely a possibility.

griffman · Mar 8, 2001, 08:13 PM

Sure, announcements are subject to change. But, generally speaking, you don't create a full-page of text and graphics, publish it on one of the most-visited sites on the web, list the dates and times of the events, and include information and tag-lines about specific applications unless you're really pretty durn sure they'll be ready!

Compared to the typical conjecture around here, this is about the closest thing to proof we'll see ... short of Steve Jobs making a public announcement confirming the facts.

-rob.

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krove · Mar 8, 2001, 08:16 PM

Even better proof just came in the iMac newsletter:

Visit a retail location near you the weekend of March 24 to
celebrate the arrival of Mac OS X and experience Mac OS X for
yourself. You'll also see the new iMac, Power Mac G4 Cube, Power Mac G4, and PowerBook G4 computers. And we'll be demonstrating iMovie and the latest version of iTunes.* Want to see how easy it is to
create a Desktop Movie or compile a Playlist of your favorite tunes?
Then visit a participating Apple Specialist near you on March 24 and
25.

Great news!

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mchladek · Mar 8, 2001, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by griffman:
Knowing Mr. Jobs dislike of leaked surprises (see: ATI & January MacWorld), I wonder if this page was really supposed to be published today. Since the events are very close to the OS X launch date, I guess they need to give people time to plan ... but I find it hard to believe Apple wanted official notice of OS X versions of these apps provided on a page talking about in-store events. It's not even an official press release!

Hope nobody in Cupertino's in trouble over this one!

-rob.

I doubt it was a mistake, but it does make me wonder about the 21st. What does Apple have up their sleeve to surprise us even more when they have the press conference on March 21st?

Mar 8, 2001, 08:26 PM

That's not actually proof.

You've been able to go to Apple stores for months and see demos of Mac OS X *and* iTunes, iMovie, etc.

Doesn't mean they're both running on the same OS, however...

Mar 8, 2001, 08:30 PM

Sorry, I was responding to the post above the last one, about the iMac newsletter.

I do agree that the original link "Now made for Mac OS X" that kicked off this thread is cause for optimism, and it may very well be a premature posting, possibly brought forward to quell all the unrest around, what with CNet doing another hatchet-job and all...

Alex Duffield · Mar 8, 2001, 08:38 PM

Na, this is a load of BS!! I read on CNET that they wont be ready on time!!

Doesnt Apple read the news??? You would think they would know about this!

Not to mention they wernt in the 4k78 build, and that was FC!! So I think Apple just doesnt Know what they are talking about. Some one should tell them to keep up on the news...

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Spirit_VW · Mar 8, 2001, 09:14 PM

Ummmm, Jeremy, exactly what stores have been having OS X demos for months? CompUSA and Fry's don't generally run Apple-sponsored demos using betas or dev builds.....

I think this is pretty much confirmation that iTunes and iMovie ARE happening for the OS X release, if not on the OS X disc then as downloads.

Scott_H · Mar 8, 2001, 11:41 PM

That's cool. I don't use those.

jamesa · Mar 9, 2001, 04:06 AM

nice find griffman!

I hope DVD playback is in that "update" for March too. I'm still fuming about that

Gee4orce · Mar 9, 2001, 04:57 AM

Hey, I like the iTunes icon

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SmileyDude · Mar 9, 2001, 09:53 AM

Hey, nobody has mentioned that Apple is depending on their independent dealers for these demos... this isn't the typical CompUSA Demo Days.

This should calm some of the fears caused by Apple building their own stores...

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Oneota · Mar 9, 2001, 11:59 AM

Check out this link for more info:

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5074594.html

So they will be included, but NOT in the box. I can live with that.

By the way, notice this at the end:

"We used the roman numeral because we thought it would be cool and fun," he said. "But officially it's Mac OS X 10.0," Schiller said. The 10.1 release could appear on new machines in the summer.

I think C|net misquoted Phil -- they meant that it's "officially [...] Mac OS 10.0" I was wondering about that.

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Mar 9, 2001, 12:19 PM

Yep, the Finder is version 10.0, which seems to be the benchmark for system versions.

I actually donated a hit to that C-Net article. Seems to me they're using these quotes from 2 or 3 people for their chicken-little DVD act.

Anyway, Phil's right that this is how most of their iApps with exception to iMovie have been available first. People can feel free exaggerate how this is a "terrible mistake" all they like.

johnnylundy · Mar 9, 2001, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by jamesa:
nice find griffman!

I hope DVD playback is in that "update" for March too. I'm still fuming about that

Fume away, Dude. A DVD player is an APPLICATION, NOT PART OF THE FARKING OPERATING SYSTEM! If you want to play DVDs, DON'T GET OS X! Just play them on 9.1! Geeezzz..

MS Office is not ready either; I assume you are fuming about that too?

chrisml · Mar 9, 2001, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Alex Duffield:
Na, this is a load of BS!! I read on CNET that they wont be ready on time!!

Doesnt Apple read the news??? You would think they would know about this!

Not to mention they wernt in the 4k78 build, and that was FC!! So I think Apple just doesnt Know what they are talking about. Some one should tell them to keep up on the news...

Read the news? They make the news!!! I'll trust in Apple before I trust in a Cnet (i.e. MS's pet).

Chris

SnowmanX · Mar 9, 2001, 01:02 PM

Speaking of icons, why do Macs always seem to have the best looking icons, either provided by Apple themselves or by other Mac users? Is it the inherent artistry and elegance of the Mac?

Crap. I'm already talking "inheritance" in computers.

sje789 · Mar 9, 2001, 01:12 PM

The quotes from these analysts seem a bit dim--they certainly don't sound like they require much analysis.
Some guy from Gartner says that shipping OS X without a DVD player is something Apple really doesn't want to be doing.
No **** !
Does this quote make this guy sound stupid or does he really think that Apple made a strategic decision to not finish DVD in time? Obviously they would much prefer to ship OS X with every bell and whistle possible, but something went wrong, and they can't get it fixed on time.

This is embarrassing for Apple, for sure. And it makes for bad PR (you know a company is having PR problems when they send out a marketing VP discuss minor interface tweaks.)

I think the analysts are worried that this delay signals some bad management in Apple's software development. I don't buy that. Apple is a small company but they will still be releasing their next generation OS before Microsoft despite the fact that they didn't really start until 1997. They have also been releasing some cool software along the way (iTunes, iTools, iMovie, iDVD, DVD Studio, Final Cut Pro) and working on porting this library to OS X.

What may be a genuine cause for worry is what the DVD holdup says about OS X itself. Does this mean that porting to OS X is harder than Apple says it is? Is it difficult to get apps to perform decently in OS X? We will see.
I am curious to see if OS X is running on iMacs when Apple does those in-store demos around the country.

sitox · Mar 9, 2001, 02:06 PM

What may be a genuine cause for worry is what the DVD holdup says about OS X itself. Does this mean that porting to OS X is harder than Apple says it is? Is it difficult to get apps to perform decently in OS X? We will see.
I am curious to see if OS X is running on iMacs when Apple does those in-store demos around the country.[/B]

I still think, that a 'not ready' DVD Player isn't Apples fault - but a not complete graphics driver from ATI, because the video data needs to be 'send' directly into graphic cards memory. So it's maybe just the lack of an interface?? through the graphics card driver.

bitfly · Mar 10, 2001, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by chrisml:
Read the news? They make the news!!! I'll trust in Apple before I trust in a Cnet (i.e. MS's pet).

Chris

I think that he was joking and that was his point also.

Daishi · Mar 10, 2001, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by sitox:
I still think, that a 'not ready' DVD Player isn't Apples fault - but a not complete graphics driver from ATI, because the video data needs to be 'send' directly into graphic cards memory. So it's maybe just the lack of an interface?? through the graphics card driver.

The DVD player sounds like it's being held up by the MPAA who is very nervous about a DVD player on something UNIX based. Apple needs to prove to the MPAA that you can't even do screen captures with an OS X DVD player before they could ship it, and they won't have jumped through all of the MPAA's hoops before March 24th.

As to the driver problem, I read the article to say that there wouldn't be _complete_ support for the graphics cards. Which I take to mean that some of the fancier features (ie, the Radeon's Charisma Engine) won't be supported out of the box. They will still provide 2d and 3d acceleration however.

Mar 10, 2001, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by SirCastor:
rticle said that the iApps were just unlikely. Glad to hear that's false..
iTunes will likely show up on the Disc, but why would iMovie be there? That's an app which only came with iMac DVs..

Noope, iMovie 2 came with my gigabit G4/400 =) what an awesome thing it was to have it factory-installed too, great first-impression of my first Mac =)