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silver · 05:19 AM

I cant remember the build number(9A499, 9A500n, 9A527/9A528a, or 9A559) but an earlier build of Leopard allowed you to click on a folder in grid mode and drill down, while still in grid mode.

Meaning if I had my Applications folder in stacks, then clicked on it to open grid mode(haven't tried it in fan mode), while in grid mode I could click on the utilities folder and it would open not a new finder window but open in grid mode. Hope that makes sense.

I wish Apple left that feature in.

silver

ShotgunEd · Nov 1, 2007, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by MartiNZ

Interesting! That's cool, but doesn't work in 'fan' mode hmmm. Using cursor keys to move through the fan does 'hilte' the items though

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Yeah, even just a highlight like that in fan mode would be very useful.

On another note, at some point yesterday my stacks stopped working properly, icons weren't showing up and only the background of the text labels were visible. The dock had also turned very reflective with no S curve.

I hadn't been messing about with the dock png replacements as I quite like the dock but this was a very weird glitch. Killing the dock via terminal didn't help. A reboot sorted it in the end.

stoneage · Nov 1, 2007, 10:01 AM

I dislike Stacks (I use Quicksilver), but I was a little rash in tossing all the new folders off the Dock. I would like to take another look, but I don't know how to get those icons back next to the Trash. Any solutions for the Knee jerk types like me.

.Neo · Nov 1, 2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by stoneage

I dislike Stacks (I use Quicksilver), but I was a little rash in tossing all the new folders off the Dock. I would like to take another look, but I don't know how to get those icons back next to the Trash. Any solutions for the Knee jerk types like me.

Just drag the folder of your choice in the Dock? The default ones are Documents and Downloads.

jasonsRX7 · Nov 1, 2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by .Neo

Just drag the folder of your choice in the Dock?

Apparently, very few people know how to do this. That's why they're so impressed by stacks and the download folder. They didn't realize all this time that you could create a new folder, call it downloads, and have Safari save them there.

.Neo · Nov 1, 2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by jasonsRX7

Apparently, very few people know how to do this. That's why they're so impressed by stacks and the download folder. They didn't realize all this time that you could create a new folder, call it downloads, and have Safari save them there.

Luckily Apple put two PDF files explaining the feature in both Documents and Downloads.

And why would I want to create another Downloads folder if Mac OS X Leopard already has one by default?

ShotgunEd · Nov 1, 2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by .Neo

Luckily Apple put two PDF files explaining the feature in both Documents and Downloads.

And why would I want to create another Downloads folder if Mac OS X Leopard already has one by default?

I think the point is that you could create your own downloads folder in ~/ in previous versions of OSX. In fact this is always the first thing I did on a new machine, Apple just count it as one their 300+ features now.

Jasoco · Nov 1, 2007, 12:44 PM

I just used the Desktop back then. My desktop would get full of files which would be moved into a folder on the desktop eventually then later into another folder in Documents until I got around to sorting through it.

Now it all just goes into Downloads, a Stack shows the most recent 8 files with the newest on the front. And I sort them within the Downloads folder as well. I am much happier with this method now. I love Stacks because of this. It does exactly what I've wanted to do for a long time. Sure, they could use more options, especially since I only find the one Downloads folder useful, everything else just looks odd, but for now it's great.

jasonsRX7 · Nov 1, 2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jasoco

I just used the Desktop back then. My desktop would get full of files which would be moved into a folder on the desktop eventually then later into another folder in Documents until I got around to sorting through it.

You could have done that years ago. Just create a folder (maybe some people don't know how to create and name folders?) and set application's preferences to save their files there.

Still, I prefer my downloads to go to the desktop, so that they are visually in front of me, and I can sort them right away. Rather than being out of site, out of mind, and letting them clutter up a directory.

Another one of those instances where it seems to be designed for people who don't organize their stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with using a downloads folder, but it certainly isn't a new "feature" or anything.

schalliol · Nov 1, 2007, 01:55 PM

I see no problem with stacks, and I think it's great. All they have to do is turn on the ability to right click or click and hold and have the old menu. This is the quickest way I know to navigate a few levels in the finder.

jasonsRX7 · Nov 1, 2007, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by schalliol

I see no problem with stacks, and I think it's great. All they have to do is turn on the ability to right click or click and hold and have the old menu. This is the quickest way I know to navigate a few levels in the finder.

That would be perfect. Stacks would be OK by me if they hadn't come at the expense of regular dock folders. The preview icon needs to go, though, and fanned stacks should have some kind of background to mask whatever is behind them.

.Neo · Nov 1, 2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by ShotgunEd

I think the point is that you could create your own downloads folder in ~/ in previous versions of OSX.

Did anyone here said otherwise?

Geobunny · Nov 1, 2007, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by .Neo

Did anyone here said otherwise?

Slightly OT but have you actually tried deleting that downloads folder? What are you supposed to do if that's not where you want to keep your downloads? I could futz around in terminal but still...

MartiNZ · Nov 1, 2007, 03:22 PM

Yeah, I used to create a ~/Downloads folder pretty quickly on every install - used to give it the package with down arrow icon of 'Package Maker' in the dev tools.

That's another thing that annoys me about the downloads stack now. I mean it is nice having the bouncing notification that a download has finished (the ONLY bouncing I tolerate in the dock, not disabled with the no-bouncing .plist option even).

But what I want to do then, almost without exception, is open the downloads folder - not open whatever file had downloaded. Don't ask why, it's a pedantic thing, but whatever the reason, stacks eats that functionality unless I use the down arrow with it (in fan view) to quickly get to "Open in Finder".

-- actually just realised grid view works better for that functionality

, but I would like to be able to move it in fan view.

ginoledesma · Nov 1, 2007, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Geobunny

Slightly OT but have you actually tried deleting that downloads folder? What are you supposed to do if that's not where you want to keep your downloads? I could futz around in terminal but still...

There was quite a lively thread about that. :-)

.Neo · Nov 1, 2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Geobunny

Slightly OT but have you actually tried deleting that downloads folder? What are you supposed to do if that's not where you want to keep your downloads? I could futz around in terminal but still...

What are you talking about? Someone asked how he could restore the Downloads and Documents stacks after dragging them out of the Dock. That's it. There was no debate about whether it's possible to create a new folder and name it "Downloads", or about deleting the actual Downloads folder located in ~/.

Geobunny · Nov 1, 2007, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by .Neo

What are you talking about? Someone asked how he could restore the Downloads and Documents stacks after dragging them out of the Dock. That's it. There was no debate about whether it's possible to create a new folder and name it "Downloads", or about deleting the actual Downloads folder located in ~/.

Sorry, I was skim-reading and misinterpreted what was said.

booboo · Nov 7, 2007, 09:32 PM

All these people defending Stacks - that's fine, you obviously don't realise what functionality has been removed, so impressed are you that downloads can be saved to a folder.

For those that are saying, 'Well, Apple wants to move away from a file hierarchy structure' - then Leopard's Dock's spring-loaded folders are a major contradiction, especially as you've presumably no idea where they're a-springing to - given that you haven't a clue about your directory structure, and Leopard's Dock's removal of hierarchical menus has denied you the opportunity of learning.

Bring back Tiger's Dock - but with Spring-loaded folders. . .. !

Kevin · Nov 7, 2007, 09:34 PM

booboo or they could give you an option to turn stacks on or off for each folder. That would make everyone happy.

I LOVE stacks for certain things, and hate it for others.

Holy Zoo · Nov 8, 2007, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by nat

For years I've used two alias folders in the Dock plus I dragged the hard drive onto it so I could right click to anywhere, but now they're all useless in Leopard.

So, after a few years of not using it (I still have a license I believe), there's only one solution for me:

Dragthing

+1.

I had the exact same though on Saturday, and re-activated my license (hadn't used in probably 7 years!). It's really improved since the days of old - indeed, it's gorgeous.

I've created a "just folders" doc on the right - the hierarchical view is fantastic, with preview built in.

On the bottom I have a doc for "Apps and Documents".

Here's a couple screenshots. Click the image (not the "enlarge text") to see the big view.