[Athens]

YouTube - ‪ALERT! DON'T DANCE IN PUBLIC IT IS AGAINST THE LAW NOW, MAKE THIS VIRAL‬‏

Words can't explain how I feel about this. Has it really become this sort of police state in the US.

[Cold Warrior]

Except that the ruling against dancing applies to inside the monuments in order to maintain decorum. Which a federal appeals court upheld.

[ebuddy]

The amount of interest dedicated to non-stories in the US is... well it's bizarre. Don't people in Canada rearrange their sock drawers or anything?

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

Except that the ruling against dancing applies to inside the monuments in order to maintain decorum. Which a federal appeals court upheld.

Doesn't make it right.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

The amount of interest dedicated to non-stories in the US is... well it's bizarre. Don't people in Canada rearrange their sock drawers or anything?

Wait until they tell you that you can't do something; you won't think it's so bizarre. Once again you miss the point.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Wait until they tell you that you can't do something; you won't think it's so bizarre. Once again you miss the point.

I have no desire to express myself in ways that publicly alienate other people. I'm just not that selfish or starved for attention.

Who is "they" anyway? This is starting to ring like black helicopter conspiracies. BTW, civil liberties abuses hath no fury like a Progressive/liberal scorned.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

Except that the ruling against dancing applies to inside the monuments in order to maintain decorum. Which a federal appeals court upheld.

So, police shouting and shoving people and threatening arrests maintains decorum? Rules are rules, but there is a much more civil way to carry out a response.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

So, police shouting and shoving people and threatening arrests maintains decorum? Rules are rules, but there is a much more civil way to carry out a response.

This I agree with. Of course, assuming their response was indeed not reasonably measured against the offense.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

Except that the ruling against dancing applies to inside the monuments in order to maintain decorum. Which a federal appeals court upheld.

I was reading up about it, ended up this was a protest about the no dancing or kissing law put in place in 2008. I love the comment of a friend though about how it was a unlawful protest. My response to him was that no peaceful protest in a democrat and free society is unlawful. Its where America is failing. So I guess the question is what kind of rules should be in place in regards to protests since this was a protest. Should any form of protest as long as its peaceful be allowed or should they be banned when ever convenient.

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

The amount of interest dedicated to non-stories in the US is... well it's bizarre. Don't people in Canada rearrange their sock drawers or anything?

You don't think stupid laws like this affect people out side of the US? I spend a good amount of time in the US so ya im interested in stupid laws like this.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

This I agree with. Of course, assuming their response was indeed not reasonably measured against the offense.

Have you seen the video? The police officers certainly appeared to be responding well out of measure with the offense.

As for Canadian interest in American events: our leaders tend to take their cues from your leaders. For my part, my interest in American events is to try to anticipate the kinds of laws our leaders try to get passed.

[Cold Warrior]

The guy in shades they body-slammed had been told several times to get on his knees, and when the officer grabbed him, the guy started walking away with his hands up. Him being very large, I didn't see anything out of proportion with the officer's response.

@athens
I get your line about peaceful protests not being unlawful in a democracy, but other citizens have rights too. Even peaceful protests can cripple traffic, commerce, and others' rights to peacefully assemble to enjoy public monuments. Their rights taper off if they infringe another's.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

The guy in shades they body-slammed had been told several times to get on his knees, and when the officer grabbed him, the guy started walking away with his hands up. Him being very large, I didn't see anything out of proportion with the officer's response

Walking away with hands up is a method used by peaceful protestors around the world (first in the '90s by Serb students), it shows that you're leaving the scene in peace. I'm sure fatboy rent-a-cop in the video didn't realize that, but if he was leaving the monument, he would no longer have been in violation of the law, thereby making any response by the police illegitimate. To anyone who knows the methods of (successful) peaceful protesting, the man was clearly not a threat.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

The guy in shades they body-slammed had been told several times to get on his knees, and when the officer grabbed him, the guy started walking away with his hands up. Him being very large, I didn't see anything out of proportion with the officer's response.

@athens
I get your line about peaceful protests not being unlawful in a democracy, but other citizens have rights too. Even peaceful protests can cripple traffic, commerce, and others' rights to peacefully assemble to enjoy public monuments. Their rights taper off if they infringe another's.

I didn't have any complaints against the guy your talking about he was clearly not cooperating. The one dude was cooperating and got tackled pretty violently, the one yelling about his shoulder. Looking at the video the protest was hardly interfering with any one. If anything the police over reaction was the largest interference with people trying to enjoy the monument. The law itself is pretty stupid, along with the response. The kind of response I would expect up here would have been to turn a blind eye to it unless it became very problematic, or the protesters being asked to leave, followed by being escorted out then maybe... arrest.

[el chupacabra]

Originally Posted by Athens 

You don't think stupid laws like this affect people out side of the US? I spend a good amount of time in the US so ya im interested in stupid laws like this.

How much time do you spend dancing in monuments? Or wishing you could? The fact that they knew the rules and decided to dance anyway just for the sake of protest is all the more reason for me not to feel sorry for them.

There are much more important things/laws to protest than this... but some young liberal hippies have too much time on their hands and are too self righteous to care about other issues; so they do this as a some kind a big joke.

[turtle777]

OMG ?

Some gay-ass activists can't dance in a monument is a sign of how America's democracy is going down the toilet ? What a joke.

There are far bigger things being done to kill democracy, but our Canuckistani peanut gallery has a gift to point out the most trivial and unimportant events.

-t

[Wiskedjak]

First, they came for the dancers ...

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

@athens
I get your line about peaceful protests not being unlawful in a democracy, but other citizens have rights too. Even peaceful protests can cripple traffic, commerce, and others' rights to peacefully assemble to enjoy public monuments. Their rights taper off if they infringe another's.

This. The determining thing here is not really the dancing itself but the fact that it was an organized demonstration (I doubt the police reaction would have been the same to a single person dancing in the corner). Get a permit and you can dance-protest wherever you like. Note also that these people could have danced elsewhere on the monument site (outside of the rotunda) without a problem.

Also, the dancing was pretty terrible. Would have been much more impressive as a protest if they had some decent choreography.

An analogy would be the prohibition of alcohol at most public parks. A certain infringement of your liberty as an accommodation for the wider public enjoyment of the site.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

OMG ?

Some gay-ass activists can't dance in a monument is a sign of how America's democracy is going down the toilet ? What a joke.

There are far bigger things being done to kill democracy, but our Canuckistani peanut gallery has a gift to point out the most trivial and unimportant events.

-t

^ This. Yes, this is what I was trying to say.

[DBursey]

As if UBB posting is anything but trivial.

What the fucvk is a Canuckistani?

[turtle777]

You'll figure it out.

-t

[Athens]

Canada is home to so many East Indians and Pakistani people, turtle777 likes to refer to us as another Central Asian country. Its actually kinda racist but whatev's

[iMOTOR]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

First, they came for the dancers ...

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Athens 

Canada is home to so many East Indians and Pakistani people, turtle777 likes to refer to us as another Central Asian country. Its actually kinda racist but whatev's

I don't know if I should laugh, cry or put you on ignore.

-t

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Athens 

Canada is home to so many East Indians and Pakistani people, turtle777 likes to refer to us as another Central Asian country. Its actually kinda racist but whatev's

Not racist at all. Religionist.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Not racist at all. Religionist.

Touche'

[hyteckit]

No baggy pants in Texas bus systems.

Fashion Police Patrolling Texas Buses For Baggy Pants | Death and Taxes

[screener]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

No baggy pants in Texas bus systems.

Fashion Police Patrolling Texas Buses For Baggy Pants | Death and Taxes

Ever seen one of these fashionistas try to run across a street?
Funnier than hell.

[jtd]

I dance every where I walk. I dance while I walk.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

No baggy pants in Texas bus systems.

Fashion Police Patrolling Texas Buses For Baggy Pants | Death and Taxes

YouTube - &#x202a;Pants On The Ground American Idol&#x202c;&rlm; <--- Pants on the ground

Seriously, should one be allowed to walk around in just one's underwear. Around here, in Indianapolis, I've seen guys with their pants waistline below their underwear. That should be considered indecent exposure and the individual arrested. And they look hilarious (read: sad) walking around holding onto their pants to keep them from falling.

[Railroader]

The law in Flint, MI

[turtle777]

I'm sure this is going to attract more people to the greater Deadroit area.

-t

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

I'm sure this is going to attract more people to the greater Deadroit area.

-t

They are paying people to move so they can shut down entire neighborhoods in both Flint and Detroit. You can buy houses for less than $4k. I saw one ad that had 4 houses for $10k. Instant slumlord!

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

They are paying people to move so they can shut down entire neighborhoods in both Flint and Detroit. You can buy houses for less than $4k. I saw one ad that had 4 houses for $10k. Instant slumlord!

Yeah, I know, I read this article where you were able to buy a package of like 20 homes for less than $100k. Crazy shit.

-t

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

They are paying people to move so they can shut down entire neighborhoods in both Flint and Detroit. You can buy houses for less than $4k. I saw one ad that had 4 houses for $10k. Instant slumlord!

Please provide some confirmation that they're paying people to move. They have in fact talked about this for several years, but the city has no money to do so.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

The law in Flint, MI

This will eventually be turned down as unconstitutional. You may find it offensive (I think it's stupid to dress like that, but I don't get bent out of shape over it either, as I have more pressing issues to concern myself with), but neither you or I get to decide how someone else wears their clothes, as long as they are in fact not indecently exposing themselves.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Seriously, should one be allowed to walk around in just one's underwear.

Yes. It's just underwear - there's no difference between underwear and outerwear (say, short shorts) except in the mind of the viewer.

There's a strange disconnect in American society...
Bikini: Fine.
Bra and panties: Not fine.

Technically, you should be walking around starkers. Unless you're still under the influence of Eve's apple.

[Athens]

Once you start controlling style of clothing it opens the door to controlling the clothing and any messages on it. How many people got arrested for having derogatory comments about Mr Bush. I just dont understand whats offensive about seeing some ones underwear.

[screener]

Sometimes you just have to laugh.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Please provide some confirmation that they're paying people to move. They have in fact talked about this for several years, but the city has no money to do so.

Sorry, but the actual detnews.com articles are in archived (subscription only) status. Here's a link, but it does not specify the sales, but does hint at it.

My brother lives in a neighborhood that is adjacent to a closed down section of Flint. In a section of the city, that included about 5 square blocks, there were only three legal residents. They were paid the full value of their houses (about $4,300) plus moving fees, relocated, and the city saved the money immediately by cutting off services to that area. Now the city is trying to seek funds to demolish the remaining structures and reverting the land back to wilderness.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Yes. It's just underwear - there's no difference between underwear and outerwear (say, short shorts) except in the mind of the viewer.

There's a strange disconnect in American society...
Bikini: Fine.
Bra and panties: Not fine.

Technically, you should be walking around starkers. Unless you're still under the influence of Eve's apple.

It is all about context. IMO, A bikini is fine at home, the beach, or pool. But not at the grocer or gas station.

We all are paying the price of Eve's (well, actually Adam's) actions.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Athens 

How many people got arrested for having derogatory comments about Mr Bush.

How many?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

It is all about context. IMO, A bikini is fine at home, the beach, or pool. But not at the grocer or gas station.

Bikinis are just fine at the gas station, especially a block from the beach in the middle of summer. That's practically a So. Cali tradition.

Bikini tops are fairly common at grocery stores too- maybe not so much the bottoms. The context doesn't bother me one bit. (But I guess that all depends on who's doing the wearing!)

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

There's a strange disconnect in American society...
Bikini: Fine.
Bra and panties: Not fine.

Is this really specifically an American thing?
Where exactly in the world are bra and panties interchangeable with a bikini?

Sure, in a strictly 'amount of cloth and covering' sort of way it seems like the same thing, but I'm in doubt I could find but a handful of women anywhere in the world who'd agree.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Is this really specifically an American thing?

Pretty much, yes.

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Sure, in a strictly 'amount of cloth and covering' sort of way it seems like the same thing, but I'm in doubt I could find but a handful of women anywhere in the world who'd agree.

Vacation in Europe this Summer. Bring a pen, some paper and a clipboard.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Vacation in Europe this Summer. Bring a pen, some paper and a clipboard.

Where exactly?

I've been all over Europe in summer and I can't say as I've ever witnessed the ladies sporting bra and panties as outerwear, in place of bikinis or other clothes. Interesting concept in fashion though.

Now total nudity- that's another matter! Definitely there's not as much taboo against going au natruale over there as here, I'll grant you that!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Where exactly?

Here.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Here.

I'm sorry, but I have no desire to see british chicks in bras and knickers.

-t

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

I'm sorry, but I have no desire to see british chicks in bras and knickers.

-t

Burn.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Easy one, but

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

I'm sorry, but I have no desire to smell british chicks in bras and knickers.

-t

edited for my pleasure.