[freudling]

In the context of Darwinian Evolution, how much will we morph? Since homo sapiens are some 100,000 + years old, a mutated version of apes, what will we be like in about 200, 000 years?

My prediction.

We will look much different (leaps due to mutations and adaptations). i.e. smaller mouths, less muscle, larger heads, more coherent sensory perception...

[Cubeoid]

Originally Posted by freudling

. i.e. smaller mouths, less muscle, larger heads, more coherent sensory perception...

larger heads, smaller mouths? Where are you pulling this crap from? Second of all, the world will not exist in the year 200,000. Don't be stupid.

[Lateralus]

We'll either have killed each other off or evolved into a form of life that isn't contained to a bag of flesh and bone.

Just so long as there's Guacamole Doritors, I don't really care.

[Demonhood]

Vonnegut figured it out.

kinda.

[cpt kangarooski]

I'll be impressed if we can make it to the year 2525.

[JoshuaZ]

Considering 30% of the US thinks the rapture will happen within their lifetime.... I doubt it'll matter.

[King Bob On The Cob]

Well in order for us to evolve more, we'd have to have the weaker humans die off, which isn't happening anymore.
If we make it even another 10,000 years, we're going to have to turn to bionics to keep ourselves as competitive as the humans today are.
Yes, I'll say it, if humans make it another 200,000 years without a serious problem coming up, we'll either be cyborgs or maybe even entirely robots with human neural implants.
Case and point, we can correct bad eyes, so there is no evolutionary disadvantage to having bad eyes, Human eyes are deteriorating.

[Langdon]

There won't be a natural evolutionary process. Genetic engineering will have stepped in long before 200,000AD to make changes in the species.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by cpt kangarooski

I'll be impressed if we can make it to the year 2525.

Something the thread starter may want to seriously consider

In the year 4545
Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you

[osiris]

If humans are still around, they'll probably be an unrecognizable combination of robotics and flesh.

I'm halfway through the book "The Singularity Is Near" by Ray Kurzweil. This book addresses the evolution of computers and the effect on humanity. From what I gather so far: Humans will either evolve into super intelligent beings or die out as a fringe race.

200,000 years is a long time, if we make it past the next 20 it'll be a miracle.

[RIRedinPA]

Originally Posted by freudling

In the context of Darwinian Evolution, how much will we morph? Since homo sapiens are some 100,000 + years old, a mutated version of apes, what will we be like in about 200, 000 years?

My prediction.

We will look much different (leaps due to mutations and adaptations). i.e. smaller mouths, less muscle, larger heads, more coherent sensory perception...

no hair, no pinkies, big asses and taller.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by freudling

We will look much different (leaps due to mutations and adaptations). i.e. smaller mouths, less muscle, larger heads, more coherent sensory perception...

/obvious

[rasmusnet]

Built in bluetooth!

[dcmacdaddy]

I'd like to see the little pinkie toe go away. I like to walk around my apartment barefoot and I am always catching it on furniture. I've broken each of them so many times they are now little gnarled stumps instead of toes.

But whoever made the point about science/medicine preventing evolution is right. Like with glasses or major childhood illnesses, medicine can now treat conditions that would have formerly "weeded" out the less healthy members of the species. Although, with these things being preventable I am guessing new illnesses (AIDS ?) will emerge that are a new source of mutations in humans.

[Dark Helmet]

Prob, tall, bald with web toes.

[hickey]

some kind of robotic skeleton with implanted brains, or something like that. Probably totally hairless no matter what happens.

[hickey]

dup. sorry

[Stradlater]

[SVass]

Read Capek "War with the Newts".

[SVass]

Read Capek "War with the Newts".

[SirCastor]

The horrible horrible future

[production_coordinator]

IMHO, we will have evolved significantly, but we will still be recognizable.

[tooki]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

I'd like to see the little pinkie toe go away. I like to walk around my apartment barefoot and I am always catching it on furniture. I've broken each of them so many times they are now little gnarled stumps instead of toes.

Umm, you could make your pinky toe go away right now. Hammer+chisel+tourniquet+anesthetic=toelessness.

tooki

[SirCastor]

The Pinky is quite valuable. It, like the rest of your toes, provides a certain amount of balance.

[nredman]

we won't be in here in the year 200,000 - or the year 5000 - just my opinion

[Volks]

Originally Posted by freudling

In the context of Darwinian Evolution, how much will we morph? Since homo sapiens are some 100,000 + years old, a mutated version of apes, what will we be like in about 200, 000 years?

My prediction.

We will look much different (leaps due to mutations and adaptations). i.e. smaller mouths, less muscle, larger heads, more coherent sensory perception...

That's bull. You might be a mutated ape, but I will never ever believe your evolution theory. Species do not evolve into completely different species. There is no conclusive evidence for it, nor will there ever be. The idea that complex beings evolved randomly from soup is as ridiculous as you can get. Please check your evolution religion at the door.

[- - e r i k - -]

Actually not much at all. Evolution requires isolation and adaptation to different environments as well. That's why there are so many different species on islands like Madagascar and Galapagos. Since humans are pretty much spread out over everywhere on the globe and we have pretty much adapted as well as we can to the environment we won't evolve much further.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Volks

That's bull. You might be a mutated ape, but I will never ever believe your evolution theory. Species do not evolve into completely different species. There is no conclusive evidence for it, nor will there ever be. The idea that complex beings evolved randomly from soup is as ridiculous as you can get. Please check your evolution religion at the door.

[- - e r i k - -]

Actually, I first thought you were joking, but reading through your posts one would gather that we actually are dealing with a genuine white supremacist religious nut here.

[SpaceMonkey]

I'm sorry, you're all wrong. We only have 884 years left: In The Year 2889.

[siflippant]

Originally Posted by osiris

200,000 years is a long time, if we make it past the next 20 it'll be a miracle.

[davecom]

He's not a white supremacist religious nut just because he doesn't believe in evolution. Check your blanket liberal bias at the door please.

[davecom]

Originally Posted by osiris

I'm halfway through the book "The Singularity Is Near" by Ray Kurzweil. This book addresses the evolution of computers and the effect on humanity. From what I gather so far: Humans will either evolve into super intelligent beings or die out as a fringe race.

Because you know that if it's in that book it must be true.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by davecom

Because you know that if it's in that book it must be true.

Ummm . . . Doood,
The original post was asking for predictions on what might happen to humans.

There can be NO truth to what the author of that book states, merely conjecture on
the likelihood of the prediction coming true given our current state of knowledge.

So, put away the hostility and react in a normal manner. Say something like, "I disagree"
or "That doesn't sound possible/probable" or even "I don't believe in evolution". But
don't question the "truthfulness" of speculation because, well . . . it's conjecture, which
by its very nature cannot be logically arbitrated in a binary True/False truth statement.

[Ozmodiar]

Originally Posted by Volks

That's bull. You might be a mutated ape, but I will never ever believe your evolution theory. Species do not evolve into completely different species. There is no conclusive evidence for it, nor will there ever be. The idea that complex beings evolved randomly from soup is as ridiculous as you can get. Please check your evolution religion at the door.

Oy.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by freudling

Since homo sapiens are some 100,000 + years old, a mutated version of apes, what will we be like in about 200, 000 years?

Some species evolve more quickly than others. You should also consider that humans have the ability to guide their evolutions. Genetic counseling, genetic therapy...

[andreas_g4]

Humans, both men and women, will look more similar to Nicole Kidman.

[effgee]

Originally Posted by freudling

What Will Humans be Like in the year 200,000?

extinct & fossilized

[acadian]

[- - e r i k - -]

What can you say about a guy who does not believe in Rosa Parks and evolution? I say nut, you say nu-tah-to.

[Doofy]

When I look out into your eyes out there,
When I look out into your faces,
You know what I see?
I see a little bit of Elvis
In each and every one of you out there.

Lemme tell ya...
Weeeeeeeeeellllllll...

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

Elvis is everywhere, man!
He's in everything.
He's in everybody...

Elvis is in your jeans.
He's in your cheesburgers
Elvis is in Nutty Buddies!
Elvis is in your mom!

He's in everybody.
He's in the young, the old,
the fat, the skinny,
the white, the black
the brown and the blue
people got Elvis in 'em too

Elvis is in everybody out there.
Everybody's got Elvis in them!
Everybody except one person that is...
Yeah, one person!
The evil opposite of Elvis.
The Anti-Elvis

Anti-Elvis got no Elvis in 'em,
lemme tell ya.

Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him.

And Elvis is in Joan Rivers
but he's trying to get out, man!
He's trying to get out!
Listen up Joanie Baby!

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

Man, there's a lot of unexplained phenomenon
out there in the world.
Lot of things people say
What the heck's going on?

Let me tell ya!

Who built the pyramids?
ELVIS!
Who built Stonehenge?
ELVIS!

Yeah, man you see guys
walking down the street
pushing shopping carts
and you think they're talking to allah,
they're talking to themself.
Man, no they're talking to ELVIS!
ELVIS! ELVIS!

You know whats going on in that Bermuda Triangle?
Down in the Bermuda Traingle
Elvis needs boats.
Elvis needs boats.
Elvis Elvis Elvis
Elvis Elvis Elvis
Elvis needs boats.

Aahh! The Sailing Elvis!
Captain Elvis!
Commodore Elvis it is.

Yeah man, you know people from outer space,
people from outer space they come up to me.
They don't look like like Doctor Spock.
They don't look like Klingons,
all that Star Trek jive.

They look like Elvis.
ELVIS!
Everybody in outer space looks like Elvis.
Cause Elvis is a perfect being.
We are all moving in perfect peace and harmony towards Elvisness

Soon all will become Elvis.
Everything everywhere will be Elvis.
Why do you think they call it evolution anyway?
It's really Elvislution!
Elvislution!

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by King Bob On The Cob

Well in order for us to evolve more, we'd have to have the weaker humans die off, which isn't happening anymore.

No, in order for us to evolve more, we have to have certain elements of society reproducing more than others, which certainly is still happening. it's just not the "most successful" that are reproducing most, so people tend to ignore it. People tend to expect the "most successful" economically and the "most successful" biologically to be the same individuals, and there's no particular reason why that should be so.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

But whoever made the point about science/medicine preventing evolution is right. Like with glasses or major childhood illnesses, medicine can now treat conditions that would have formerly "weeded" out the less healthy members of the species. Although, with these things being preventable I am guessing new illnesses (AIDS ?) will emerge that are a new source of mutations in humans.

They had a point, but they failed to make it correctly. It is possible for us to sidestep evolution, but we're not doing that (yet?). One way would be to ensure that every individual reproduces at the same rate (even if they don't want to). Another way is to, uh, intelligently design alterations to our own genomes (germline alterations, which we're also not even considering doing yet).

Anything else is not preventing evolution, just altering its course. Correcting childhood illnesses, poor vision or poor teeth are nothing more than one biological mechanism compensating for another. Intelligence (and by extension medicine) is no less a product of (or subject to) evolution than genes that prevent disease or infirmity. It could even work in a "good" way ("good" being nothing more than our arbitrary interpretation), if you consider that brain size has been limited in humans primarily by the birth canal, and the use of C sections may some day allow us to evolve intelligence far beyond what would otherwise be possible.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Actually not much at all. Evolution requires isolation and adaptation to different environments as well. That's why there are so many different species on islands like Madagascar and Galapagos. Since humans are pretty much spread out over everywhere on the globe and we have pretty much adapted as well as we can to the environment we won't evolve much further.

We don't need a new environment as long as we keep changing the one we have. Any traits that affect using technology, surviving pollution, or manipulating other people, will be subject to change.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Prob, tall, bald

C'mon, I'm sure in 200,000 years they will have figured out some way to cure baldness

[Kerrigan]

Also, does anyone else find it humorous that in 200,000 years, humans will pull up this thread with us laughing at how they look? I hope it doesn't hurt their feelings.

[King Bob On The Cob]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton

No, in order for us to evolve more, we have to have certain elements of society reproducing more than others, which certainly is still happening. it's just not the "most successful" that are reproducing most, so people tend to ignore it. People tend to expect the "most successful" economically and the "most successful" biologically to be the same individuals, and there's no particular reason why that should be so.

Hollywood and the sporting world would like to argue.

[greenamp]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton

...if you consider that brain size has been limited in humans primarily by the birth canal, and the use of C sections may some day allow us to evolve intelligence far beyond what would otherwise be possible.

Or maybe women will evolve themselves bigger vaginas... and hips.

[11011001]

Originally Posted by Volks

That's bull. You might be a mutated ape, but I will never ever believe your evolution theory. Species do not evolve into completely different species. There is no conclusive evidence for it, nor will there ever be. The idea that complex beings evolved randomly from soup is as ridiculous as you can get. Please check your evolution religion at the door.

Evolution is a natural algorithm for optimization. In terms of computers, I have used genetic algorithms for creating action sequences to test computer games, I have even used them to create the brains for a colony of simulated ants. From a "soup" of random garbage, the ants evolved foraging, and food gathering abilities. My own simulations are simple and kinda naive, others have produced far more sophisticated results. Now, evolution in nature happens on a much grander scale (whereas simulations use thousands of individuals, nature uses billions, with millions of generations), with far more processing power, allowing for the evolution of very complex organisms. Computer simulations have shown that evolution can indeed create emergent complexity out of otherwise random, or simple components. What further experimental proof do you need?

Of course arguing against people who deny the concept of evolution in favor of some divine being, is like arguing against someone who doesn't believe in conditional truth (if A then B). If one must insist on there being a divine being, what is stopping it from creating a universe where evolution is possible? In an indirect way, it still would have created you. This of course isn't a favorable argument, as it reveals the truth that there is nothing special about human beings. How naive, insulting, and arrogant is it to assume that a divine being would consider a human life any more special than any other form of life? The creation stories are a self-gratifying pat on the back created by people with damaged and feeble egos. The whole universe, of which we are an infinitesimally small component (so small, that no human mind could ever comprehend it) was not created for us.

My prediction, in 200,000 years, evolution will have weeded out such stupid people.

edit: wow.. 21 years of frustration with Christianity compressed into one post. In retrospect this post isn't really targeted at the quoted individual, rather it's targeted at like minded people. Sorry..

[greenamp]

In 200,000 yrs it will be popular belief that humans evolved from emperor penguins.