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Uncle Skeleton · 02:34 AM

it's being erroneously replace-all'd by "&-amp;", which of course doesn't render as HTML. Worse, try to edit a post that has had an "&" added and what do you get? "&amp;"

Of course, posting this will be completely mangled...

turtle777 · Apr 16, 2011, 03:24 PM

Test: &amp;

Ah, I see.

"&"

LOL, everytime you edit it replaces the Ampersand with Ampersand+amp

-t

Thorzdad · Apr 16, 2011, 04:26 PM

We're aware of the problem.
There was an update of vBull Wednesday morning, and it buggered some things like the ampersand in urls. Admins are looking into it, but it may be something that has to be fixed from orbit.

brassplayersrock² · Apr 22, 2011, 07:12 PM

& hello

besson3c · Apr 22, 2011, 10:19 PM

Yeah, I was thinking of reporting this too... Looks like the text sanitization is occurring twice sanitizing sanitized text. Not that the guy(s) in charge don't know that, but...

Spheric Harlot · Apr 23, 2011, 03:39 PM

Did that vBull update introduce an ENOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORMOUS hang on anybody else's Safari?

I get it every single time I open any new page - from click, link, bookmark, whatever - while a MacNN forum page is open in another tab.

ghporter · Apr 23, 2011, 04:16 PM

I'm not seeing a lag with Safari on my iPad, but I usually use Firefox on my iMac, and through the updates there has been no noticeable change in performance there, either.

Thorzdad · Apr 23, 2011, 04:56 PM

I use Firefox and can definitely see a slowness to the forums. Though, I can't say for certain it's the fault of the update. The forums are routinely one of the slowest sites I frequent, and even that comes and goes.

ghporter · Apr 23, 2011, 08:58 PM

I was seeing that lag long before the updates. In discussions with the other Admins, it seems to be something to do with web server or DB server load balancing. Or evil spirits, I can't remember which. But nothing as egregious as what Spheric Harlot is apparently experiencing. You click, you wait for a bit, then the new page loads. For me that load is really quite fast, just delayed.

Oisín · Apr 24, 2011, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Did that vBull update introduce an ENOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORMOUS hang on anybody else's Safari?

I get it every single time I open any new page - from click, link, bookmark, whatever - while a MacNN forum page is open in another tab.

Wait, you mean that whenver you have a MacNN page open in one tab, any other page you open in another tab will be ridiculously slow, regardless of what page that is, MacNN or non-MacNN?

I certainly don’t have any of that. MacNN is always a bit slow to load, but it doesn’t affect other pages.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 08:40 AM

yep.

seanc · 06:08 PM

Right now - everything is loading quickly for me in Safari 5.0.4 and Firefox 4.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 09:20 AM

I get huge delays just moving back and forth. Latest everything, i7 MacBook Pro 13", Just one window open with just this and the "daily" forum search, swiping back and forth using the two-finger swipe on the Magic Mouse.

Swipe - CPU pegs one core (though it switches back and forth between two of the four cores) for seven seconds or so - load.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 09:22 AM

Ah. Now troubleshooting extensions.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 09:31 AM

Oh. Duh.

It was the Safari Restore extension.

Double-Duh.

Pity, as that was actually quite useful.

reader50 · Apr 24, 2011, 02:41 PM

I've been telling people Conflict Catcher is still useful.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 02:58 PM

I assumed that this kind of crap is exactly why Safari did not support extensions.

This one is available via Apple's own portal, no less.

besson3c · Apr 24, 2011, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I assumed that this kind of ponies and rainbows is exactly why Safari did not support extensions.

This one is available via Apple's own portal, no less.

I bet Webkit2 will help in this regard.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 03:10 PM

How?

Will it stop extensions from affecting the way Safari loads pages?

Or will it just do away with extensions?

besson3c · Apr 24, 2011, 03:12 PM

Extensions won't have to compete for resources with Safari as a whole, they will be sandboxed, and when backgrounded will be given less of a priority handled by the kernel.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 03:17 PM

This particular case, though, will look exactly the same.

besson3c · Apr 24, 2011, 03:23 PM

What do you mean by "look"? I was commenting on your ability to switch to another tab without a crazy delay.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 03:36 PM

It turned out that the delay was unrelated to the MacNN.

It was caused by the SafariRestore extension.

besson3c · Apr 24, 2011, 05:20 PM

I know, that is what I was commenting on. Extensions are loaded into memory with individual processes in Webkit2, no?

Spheric Harlot · Apr 24, 2011, 06:34 PM

Ah, I see. I don't know.

In this case, the extension was causing a delay in every loaded page - of varying degree.

Keeping them in separate threads, running in parallel to each rendering process also running in its own individual thread, may restore the zippy I see again now that I've disabled SafariRestore.

besson3c · Apr 24, 2011, 06:35 PM

happy Easter to you, Spheric Harlot!

brassplayersrock² · May 9, 2011, 09:53 AM

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

brassplayersrock² · May 23, 2011, 01:45 AM

&&&&&&&&&& &&

still?

Chongo · May 23, 2011, 02:17 AM

It's doing this on other forums as well

turtle777 · May 23, 2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Chongo

It's doing this on other forums as well

Damn hampstor. Get a new one already.

-t

reader50 · May 23, 2011, 03:52 PM

Which other forums have it?

Various real-world items have prevented me from working on this. And each time I've skimmed the vB support forums, there was no mention of this problem.

Lateralus · May 23, 2011, 04:00 PM

Ampersand would be a cool band name...

I want credit in the liner notes.

brassplayersrock² · May 23, 2011, 07:29 PM

AMPERSAND | Free Music, Tour Dates, Photos, Videos
Ampersand | Free Music, Tour Dates, Photos, Videos
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Amper...app_2405167945

Lateralus · 01:52 AM

I'm tempted to ban you for crushing my delusional chance at sex with groupies of an as yet to exist band.

brassplayersrock² · May 24, 2011, 12:05 AM

reported for personal attack

not really, I've just always wanted to say that to a mod.

Big Mac · May 24, 2011, 01:33 PM

So there's no fix in sight because we don't know why it's happening? Can we just filter out the ampersand until we get this fixed?

besson3c · May 24, 2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

So there's no fix in sight because we don't know why it's happening? Can we just filter out the ampersand until we get this fixed?

I think we know why it's happening (at least I do, I'm sure reader does too), but I guess it's a matter of tracing down to problem to its source...

ghporter · May 24, 2011, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I think we know why it's happening (at least I do, I'm sure reader does too), but I guess it's a matter of tracing down to problem to its source...

Pretty much this. vBulletin's structure is, to say the least, "complicated." Where the particular borkage is might be extremely difficult to track down, and it is definitely "non-trivial" to address.

I've been doing some Web detective work looking for other boards that have had and fixed this problem, but I haven't found one that says they had it, fixed it, and were willing to share their fix.

brassplayersrock² · May 24, 2011, 11:03 PM

Would this help? Generating VBScript to read a blog - Calvin Hsia's WebLog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

reader50 · May 25, 2011, 12:39 AM

I'm pretty sure the "VBScript" they're talking about is MS Visual Basic scripting. Not the PHP vB we use.

The ampersand is stored correctly in DB post entries, so the problem happens on DB retrieval. A text escaping function is coded slightly wrong. All I need is the time to track it down, then compare the file in question with one from the previous version of vB. Or a plugin hook around that point is being used by something incompatible. I've tentatively ruled out vbSEO as the problem, but plan to retest.

Might have time next week.

Laminar · May 26, 2011, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by reader50

I'm pretty sure the "VBScript" they're talking about is MS Visual Basic scripting. Not the PHP vB we use.

P · Jun 14, 2011, 06:44 AM

reader50 has done some hacking, and it seems to have avoided the issue. Please report any resulting weirdness in this thread.

turtle777 · Jun 14, 2011, 08:11 AM

&&&&&

-t

turtle777 · Jun 14, 2011, 08:12 AM

Hoorah

-t

Stogieman · Jun 14, 2011, 01:41 PM

Ebony & Ivory
Hall & Oates
Mash Potatoes & Gravy

Edit: Yay, it works.

The Final Dakar · Jun 14, 2011, 01:43 PM

Hannity & Colmes

Lateralus · Jun 14, 2011, 01:52 PM

Ooh... s&!

CharlesS · Jun 14, 2011, 06:40 PM

Okay, now let's see if this old trick still works after the fix: [/color][/quote]Hello there![quote][color=white]

edit: aw, man!

Big Mac · Jun 15, 2011, 06:28 AM

&& Ampersand &&

WOOT!!! All hail reader50!