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Jul 12, 2018, 10:11 AM
 
So other than clock speed, what advantages do a 6-core i9 have over a 6-core i7?
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Jul 12, 2018, 03:51 PM
 
Nothing. The i5/i7/i9 has always been about marketing.

You can look up the exact CPUs on ark.intel.com if you’re curious.
     
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Jul 15, 2018, 12:08 PM
 
Moderately impressed with the new lineup. The new processors and GPUs are ok as the updated third generation keyboard (but I think that a thin silicon film does not make a new generation), but the new True Tone display is good. I use it on my iPad and it works great. If it has a 15” touchbar-less option, I might buy one. But I remain on the sidelines.
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Jul 15, 2018, 02:01 PM
 
I like everything but the price. I'm hearing good things about the SSDs.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Jul 15, 2018, 03:15 PM
 
I think the 13” with Touchbar is the star of the new lineup. Quadcore and a quite decent GPU is really powerful for that small footprint.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Jul 15, 2018, 10:58 PM
 
I wish they’d show the non-touchbar models similar love.
     
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Jul 16, 2018, 06:39 AM
 
Non-Touchbar is there for the price point, not because it makes any sense as a product.
     
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Jul 16, 2018, 04:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
I wish they’d show the non-touchbar models similar love.
Intel hasn’t released any new CPUs to go in it (15W CPU with Iris Plus graphics).

My hope is that Apple decides to step down to Iris 620 and pass the savings on to us. Intel charges through the nose for those chips, and they’re power-limited to the point that the graphics are severely hamstrung. Even better if they can find a cheaper display as well. That should be enough to get the price down to $999 and kill of the old Airs. Since Apple is doing something to replace the old Airs and we haven’t seen any leaked cases, I hope that this is the plan.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Jul 16, 2018, 06:15 PM
 
The Airs are the only notebooks with a decent port selection today.

Some months ago, a friend asked me to find deals on Macs. His little girl was going to school, and needed a Mac notebook. The low-end MBP had few ports (all USB-C) and too high a price tag. The MacBook had only one port, and a USB-C at that.

The Air was the only one he considered. All the others were too crippled. If the Air wasn't around, I expect that little girl would have gone to school with a Dell or something similar. As it is, she got a decent notebook.
     
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Jul 16, 2018, 06:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
The Airs are the only notebooks with a decent port selection today.

Some months ago, a friend asked me to find deals on Macs. His little girl was going to school, and needed a Mac notebook. The low-end MBP had few ports (all USB-C) and too high a price tag.
That is, quite simply, flat-out wrong.

They are Thunderbolt 3 ports. Calling them "crippled" is like calling the monster Swiss army knife "crippled" when your needs are a nail file and a toothpick, with the occasional knife.

I'm with you on the entry-level MBP price and the single USB-C on the MacBook.
     
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Jul 16, 2018, 07:02 PM
 
We can argue all we like about ports, but I got the clear impression. He wouldn't buy a notebook without a standard USB-A port built in. If I couldn't find a Mac notebook with USB-A, he would have gone elsewhere.
     
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We can argue all we like about ports, but I got the clear impression. He wouldn't buy a notebook without a standard USB-A port built in. If I couldn't find a Mac notebook with USB-A, he would have gone elsewhere.
Yes, that much is clear.

But anyone who calls a Thunderbolt 3 port "crippled" over a USB-A port (or pretty much any other port, for that matter), is just ill-informed and wrong.
     
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Jul 17, 2018, 08:55 PM
 
Well, it is crippled in the sense that it can't work with your brand new iPhone X right out of the box...
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Jul 17, 2018, 09:22 PM
 
I just wish that, with the purchase of a new Macbook, Pro or otherwise, Apple would include a USB-A adapter for each USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 port on the machine. I mean, >$2000 and Apple still won't ship a few $10 adapters in the box? (This was a bigger problem two years ago than it is today, but still...)
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:48 AM
 
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Well, it is crippled in the sense that it can't work with your brand new iPhone X right out of the box...
Who hooks up their phone to the computer with a cable!?
     
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:53 AM
 
Originally Posted by And.reg View Post
I just wish that, with the purchase of a new Macbook, Pro or otherwise, Apple would include a USB-A adapter for each USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 port on the machine. I mean, >$2000 and Apple still won't ship a few $10 adapters in the box? (This was a bigger problem two years ago than it is today, but still...)
Four USB-A adapters? Why? People obviously only have three ports plus power. And obviously, Ethernet is far more important. Er no, HDMI, of course. Wait, no - this is a pro machine. They need to include an SD reader.

Or maybe, you just budget a $15 third-party Adapter that does the three things you happen to need, and it’s not Apple’s problem.
     
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Er no, HDMI, of course. Wait, no - this is a pro machine. They need to include an SD reader.
They did through 2015, and I used every one of those ports. Convenient, I know...
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Jul 18, 2018, 09:44 AM
 
I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: put the USB-A ports on the charger. I have a charger like that, and it works great.

I also think that the fact that parts of the commentariat have focused on the SD card slot as the main thing missing is why we still have only USB-C. Apple can see how many people are using that slot in its Macs and probably figures that if that is the one people are missing, we’re good.
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Jul 18, 2018, 02:26 PM
 
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They did through 2015, and I used every one of those ports. Convenient, I know...
I have a USB hub that I keep permanently attached to the stationary hard drives at the desk at home, and a Thunderbolt Dock that does the HDMI for an external monitor, plus USB and FireWire for the external keyboard and other drives and interface that I keep permanently attached in the studio.

On the road, I have a tiny cheap usb-C to USB-A Adapter and a Lightning camera USB adapter with me. And the power supply, which I also use for iPhone and iPad (when I don’t just charge them off the ’Book’s ports).
That’s it.

I’ve used an SD card slot ONCE in the last decade. I’m perfectly happy not carrying one around with me on the machine everywhere I go.
     
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Jul 18, 2018, 03:34 PM
 
Well bravo then.

Going back to my original question: Who would truly benefit from having the i9, given some of the thermal issues?

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx8J125s4cg

Like, really what market is that configuration targeting?
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Jul 19, 2018, 09:52 AM
 
Wow! I haven't been on the site since it shut down. I didn't realize there were still some active users here. I just picked up the 2018 15" base and am pretty happy with it. Most of my keyboard does indeed seem quieter, but my delete key doesn't sound much different than the 2017.
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Jul 19, 2018, 02:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by And.reg View Post
Well bravo then.

Going back to my original question: Who would truly benefit from having the i9, given some of the thermal issues?

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx8J125s4cg

Like, really what market is that configuration targeting?
That freaking video again...

It is one guy who, in one specific test, claims to have a thermal-throttling CPU. He provides very little evidence that it is so, but even if it is, it could be his computer that is broken or something in his install that is bad. Even if it is a more widespread problem, Apple can fix it with a more aggressive fan curve.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
     
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Jul 19, 2018, 07:26 PM
 
AppleInsider verified the throttling in their tests:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/18/...ng-performance
     
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Jul 19, 2018, 08:04 PM
 
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Who hooks up their phone to the computer with a cable!?
ME. Specifically for backups, it's faster than trying to back up wirelessly.

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Jul 19, 2018, 08:10 PM
 
I cable both my iPad and my wife’s iPhone.
     
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Jul 19, 2018, 08:14 PM
 
Yes, obviously some people (notably those who will complain about it on a tech forum on the dweebnet) will connect their phone via cable.

But honestly, for the six people who own an iOS device AND a USB-C-only machine AND don't use the default iCloud backup mechanism (and, apparently, don't have a USB-C to USB-A adapter laying about), it's somehow a terrible failing by Apple to not include a USB-C cable with their 2017 iOS devices?

Come on.
     
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Jul 19, 2018, 11:43 PM
 
Well, I do every day for work. I tether my phone to my MacBook every day. I have unlimited internet and it is much faster and much more reliable than my company's network and I charge my phone at the same time.
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Yes, obviously some people (notably those who will complain about it on a tech forum on the dweebnet) will connect their phone via cable.
Why do you have to be so downright scornful and condescending? Do you understand that more than six people appreciate how much faster it is (than internet) to transfer lots of files directly between iPhone and Mac directly with a cable, and have the benefit of fast charging? Not everyone has to use their products the way that you see it.
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That freaking video again...

It is one guy who, in one specific test, claims to have a thermal-throttling CPU. He provides very little evidence that it is so, but even if it is, it could be his computer that is broken or something in his install that is bad. Even if it is a more widespread problem, Apple can fix it with a more aggressive fan curve.
There is another YouTube who is very very popular who explains why the chin exists in phones. I guess he kind of explained the reason, but even according to the Why Chins Exist in Phones for Dummies book, I thought that his explanation was rather simple and not satisfactory enough.
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Originally Posted by And.reg View Post
Why do you have to be so downright scornful and condescending? Do you understand that more than six people appreciate how much faster it is (than internet) to transfer lots of files directly between iPhone and Mac directly with a cable, and have the benefit of fast charging? Not everyone has to use their products the way that you see it.
Right back at you.

If you got an air of condescension from my post, then my point got across.

It’s annoying how tech-heads on the interwebs (yes, I called us “dweebs” — the irony that I include myself in all that, as a frequenter of this forums, has apparently completely escaped you in your quest to find me somehow offensive) will assume that their utter outlier-use cases are somehow representative of regular customers, and therefore it is a huge failing by Apple (it’s always and exclusively Apple) to not cater to them by including everything they need, for all users.
This is a kind of tech-elitism that is inherent to tech forums on the internet, and it’s completely myopic. Condescending, if you will.

Of course I see the benefit. I have a USB-C to Lightning cable. Mostly, I use it for charging from the MBP power adapter (obviating the need to carry an additional power supply) or for charging from the MBP’s ports.

Apple will get there; of course they will. Maybe even this year. But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Rather than including a bunch of stuff that can be one thing to a few people and dead weight and cost to everybody else, they’ve included (only) ports that can be everything to everybody.
And people on the dweebnet go out and call them “crippled” — the epitome of tech-head myopia.

I thought it was funny that mindwaves mentioned tethering as a reason for including a USB-A port. It literally offers zero benefit over wireless tethering except for simultaneous charging.

I’m a pro. I’m in media. I don’t want all your single-use crap cluttering and bulking up my machines. Stop acting like I’m some sort of piddling hobbyist for preferring light-weight, flexible and powerful machines on my shoulder.
If you do that, I promise you won’t find my responses “condescending” in kind.
     
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As a dweeb, I carry a regular USB charging block and a micro USB cable with a lightning tip.

Nine times out of 10 I’m not the one who needs a charge. It’s some Android ****er.
     
   
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