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RonnieoftheRose · 09:54 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
"3D games and graphics into high gear, with three times the frame rate as the previous iMac in Unreal Tournament 2004" http://www.apple.com/imac/

So how does it suck?

Another example of Apple's dodgy graphs. Notice they show you percentage increase over old models and not frame rates. In other words, it was damn sh!t before, it's only sh!t now.

What was stopping them from using the 128MB ATI 9700 from the Powerbooks? Also, by September Dell's one month 9800 Mobility exclusive contract runs out. Why not use that chip? It's almost as fast as the desktop 9800.

d.fine · Aug 31, 2004, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I looked for vesa mount info... but couldn't find any... anyone want to post a link (or was it talked about in the demo).

iMac G5 VESA Mount

ManOfSteal · Aug 31, 2004, 09:52 AM

No Gigabit Ethernet on these?

Krusty · Aug 31, 2004, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
And coming as it does with the bluetooth keyboard and mouse, it provides what many, many people will want.

Apple is really going to make a killing with this machine.

The BT stuff is still optional (not default)

I agree that that should do well with this thing. All 3 are really STRONG values for the money (um, in Apple terms). Given that the 20" ACD is $1299 alone, its like getting a 1.8ghz G5/SD/160gb machine for $600. Not too shabby !!!

mitchell_pgh · Aug 31, 2004, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Krusty:
The BT stuff is still optional (not default)

I agree that that should do well with this thing. All 3 are really STRONG values for the money (um, in Apple terms). Given that the 20" ACD is $1299 alone, its like getting a 1.8ghz G5/SD/160gb machine for $600. Not too shabby !!!

I think the whole VESA mountable, bluetooth keyboard + mouse, Airport Express combo is going to be an amazing sell.

dillerX · Aug 31, 2004, 10:08 AM

nice.

Spheric Harlot · Aug 31, 2004, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
The next iteration will have a little hamster in a little treadmill, just behind the speaker-grill, doubling both as power supply and audio unit. Apple is now looking for really small (but physically fit) hamsters that have perfect pitch.

Good luck finding a 180-watt hamster.

soul searching · Aug 31, 2004, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by manofsteal:
No Gigabit Ethernet on these?

When I saw the "Built-in 10/100BASE-T Ethernet" for first time I just brushed it off as a mistake. Then I saw the same numbers listed twice. Looks like no giga ethernet for the new iMac.

Cody Dawg · Aug 31, 2004, 10:28 AM

Why wouldn't Apple include it?

waxcrash · Aug 31, 2004, 10:28 AM

This is the inside:

Krusty · Aug 31, 2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Good luck finding a 180-watt hamster.

And for God's sake ... get Apple Care. A LOT of hamsters are known to keel over just after the 1 year warranty period ends

Cody Dawg · Aug 31, 2004, 10:32 AM

Are they using a 9mm or 12mm laptop hard drive in that thing?

Great pix, waxcrash.

brapper · Aug 31, 2004, 10:35 AM

....I just don't know if I like it.
I'm for sure going to have to go into an Apple store to play with one before passing final judgemnet, but it really doesn't make me want to whip out the credit card and order one.
I'm sure it's very well built, but it looks a little tope heavy and unbalanced to me.
Also, the face isn't stunning. Would probably like it better were it not for the large area under the screen, though really I can't demand such design/engineering miracles.

Spheric Harlot · Aug 31, 2004, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Why wouldn't Apple include it?

No Firewire 800 either.

This is the consumer machine.

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
No Firewire 800 either.

This is the consumer machine.

People don't understand that.

They think that the only difference between a consumer and pro machine should be the price.

That's why they demand pro graphic cards, FW 800, expandability etc...

People's lack of reality is so annoing...

-t

Cody Dawg · Aug 31, 2004, 10:41 AM

I still like it.

There isn't ANY Firewire on it?

That would totally make me not buy it.

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
There isn't ANY Firewire on it?

Duh, how hard is it to pull up the specs page from Apple...

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

Lazy a.. !

-t

rozwado1 · Aug 31, 2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
There isn't ANY Firewire on it?

That would totally make me not buy it.

Dawg, did you even read the specs?

gorickey- it's shannon elizabeth.

As for the VESA mounts - you just buy the kit for $30 to make it mountable, then you can buy any type of mounting arm/wall mount that's VESA compliant.

Shaddim · Aug 31, 2004, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Are they using a 9mm or 12mm laptop hard drive in that thing?

Great pix, waxcrash.

Neither. It uses a 3.5" Serial ATA HD. Plenty of room for it.

Cody Dawg · Aug 31, 2004, 10:58 AM

Skimmed 'em (specs) but I'm doing a thousand things at once...on my lunch break I'll read it all the way through.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Aug 31, 2004, 10:58 AM

Well I don't care for the design that much, the older one is cooler.
The port placement seems like a bad idea as it will tug on the monitor when you try to adjust it.
The price seems reasonable though.

ManOfSteal · Aug 31, 2004, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by rozwado1:
gorickey- it's shannon elizabeth.

Thanks. And oh yeah, gorickey is retired.

ManOfSteal · Aug 31, 2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
The port placement seems like a bad idea as it will tug on the monitor when you try to adjust it.

I don't see this being an issue pending you have at least 1-2" of slack in the cable...the monitor doesn't tilt THAT far.

demograph68 · Aug 31, 2004, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Krusty:
The BT stuff is still optional (not default)

I agree that that should do well with this thing. All 3 are really STRONG values for the money (um, in Apple terms). Given that the 20" ACD is $1299 alone, its like getting a 1.8ghz G5/SD/160gb machine for $600. Not too shabby !!!

Thats a really good point! Now if only the computer came without the LCD...

RonnieoftheRose · Aug 31, 2004, 11:14 AM

It would also be nice if you could remove the stand and use it in your lap with a pen.

Krusty · Aug 31, 2004, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Well I don't care for the design that much, the older one is cooler.
The price seems reasonable though.

Yup ... truly cutting edge form has given up a little ground to pricing. Guess the sales of the last iMac have shown Apple that they need to lean a little more toward value instead of "cool". Still, its a nice, clean and simple design. It should do the job without a lot of fuss .. which is a key ingredient for any Apple product

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:

The port placement seems like a bad idea as it will tug on the monitor when you try to adjust it.

I noticed this too. Maybe all the cables can be fed through the O-ring where the power cord runs. Clip/secure them to the stand somehow and leave enough slack between that and the monitor to allow for free travel.
.... Introducing the Belkin "O-clip"

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
It would also be nice if you could remove the stand and use it in your lap with a pen.

You'd need a battery in it and a touch-screen display.

That would drive up the price like crazy.
And people would be whining even more...

-t

G4ME · Aug 31, 2004, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
G4ME: Sorry, but as I write this, I'm in the market for a new computer for our household for school purposes. School is starting up all over the U.S. You don't think people are buying computers for school right now?

I am just saying that the majority of school sales (by the state) are done way before school starts. As I am working thou, we have sold 12 of the new iMacs as right now.

Also for educational iMacs theres the option to have no optical drive for 1099

wdlove · Aug 31, 2004, 11:24 AM

I haven't made up my mind about the new design yet. Just happy that Apple kept to its word and released an iMac G5.

kenazo · Aug 31, 2004, 11:28 AM

I'm of the "Good pricing, mediocre design" category. It looks functional, it looks smooth, but it's too vanilla. There's no bite to this one.

That said I'm sure it will sell well in the original iMac market, that being the middle-class suburban education family and such. The FP iMac had the wow factor but I think it was too much for the average consumer.

However I shall reserve final damnation until I touch it in person

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Aug 31, 2004, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by manofsteal:
I don't see this being an issue pending you have at least 1-2" of slack in the cable...the monitor doesn't tilt THAT far.

Ya but most cables run down and under a desk. That means they are pulling the monitor with them.

Also I am trying to picture 2 firewire cables, 3 USB and a telephone cord coming out of it. I think the little girls will like it cuz they can sit around a braid it.

Atomic Rooster · Aug 31, 2004, 11:37 AM

Butt Fugly!

It's the end of Apple and the beginning of HP/Apple...

ironknee · Aug 31, 2004, 11:40 AM

nice job apple...sweet

one thing, first imac without a handle

demograph68 · Aug 31, 2004, 11:40 AM

itai195 · Aug 31, 2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by turtle777:
People don't understand that.

They think that the only difference between a consumer and pro machine should be the price.
That's why they demand pro graphic cards, FW 800, expandability etc...

People's lack of reality is so annoing...

-t

Can deal with the lack of FW 800. But pro graphics card? Gimme a break, consumers like to play games, and the Geforce 5200 is beyond pathetic. I do like these machines for the most part, but the graphics and skimpy 256MB of base RAM are problems. The design is nice, though it strikes me as PC-ish and I will miss the arm.

theolein · Aug 31, 2004, 11:58 AM

I'm busy looking at my local Mac store at how much they'll give me as a trade in for my old TiPB. If they give me a lot then I'll be getting a new 15"PB, but if they don't then I'm getting a 17" 1.6 GHz new iMac. I absolutely love this design, which for me is the most functional, in terms of desk space and speed that Apple have ever brought out. I can see this selling extremely well to professionals who code and to offices.

For me this is the best Mac ever.

d4nth3m4n · Aug 31, 2004, 12:02 PM

was anything else announced? new iSights

and a link to a .mov of the keynote?

oh, and the iMac is pretty cool in a functional kinda way. 2gb cap on ram eh? well, i guess you cant let the pony outrun the horse

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
But pro graphics card? Gimme a break, consumers like to play games, and the Geforce 5200 is beyond pathetic.

I'm not gonna waste more words. There is enough posted regarding that.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...=3#post2158480

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...=3#post2158557

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...58#post2158454

Originally posted by itai195:
skimpy 256MB of base RAM are problems.

Apple is always stingy on RAM. It's always been like that.
Buy some extra from somewhere else and don't complain.
Apple could have built in 512 and charged you their Apple PREMIUM RAM. Glad they didn't !\

-t

Macfreak7 · Aug 31, 2004, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
I think the little girls will like it cuz they can sit around a braid it.

and

to Apple.

Oh and like someone else pointed out, it SEEMS like the balance would be kinda 'on edge'. But they probably have taken care of that.

Now to prepare for G5 laptops!

DeathToWindows · Aug 31, 2004, 12:30 PM

Nice. but I think I'll stick with my new DP2.0

Shaddim · Aug 31, 2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by demograph68:

What's that chick doing stuck between those RAM chips?

Landos Mustache · Aug 31, 2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by DeathToWindows:
Nice. but I think I'll stick with my new DP2.0

I really don't think you are the target market or this would be in any way a compelling upgrade for you so

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by MacNStein:
What's that chick doing stuck between those RAM chips?

Haha

-t

lil'babykitten · Aug 31, 2004, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by demograph68:

itai195 · Aug 31, 2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:

I'm not gonna waste more words. There is enough posted regarding that.

And I disagree wholeheartedly with all those people

(especially selowitch, who prefers to play an FPS on a console?)

Apple is always stingy on RAM. It's always been like that.
Buy some extra from somewhere else and don't complain.
Apple could have built in 512 and charged you their Apple PREMIUM RAM. Glad they didn't !\

It's true that they're usually skimpy, and most of us Mac owners don't mind. But it essentially means the base price is about $50-$75 higher than what Apple claims it is because 256MB isn't enough memory for a modern desktop. Otherwise, I agree with others. I think it's a good design and it will sell well.

Landos Mustache · Aug 31, 2004, 12:44 PM

Where is the power button? How easy is it to open and install an airport card?

Here is a better inside shot:

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 12:50 PM

Does anyone know if that little hole in the back underneath the power cord is a cable lock slot ?

It looks like it, but nothing is mentioned in the specs...

-t

John R. Smith · Aug 31, 2004, 01:24 PM

i think the new iMac has taken a few cues from the (rather attractive) sony all-in-one desktop

Landos Mustache · Aug 31, 2004, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by John R. Smith:
i think the new iMac has taken a few cues from the (rather attractive) sony all-in-one desktop

How so? The new iMac looks more like the TAM to me.

turtle777 · Aug 31, 2004, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by John R. Smith:
i think

No, you don't !

-t