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natan · 04:46 AM

It's even faster, in rendering and in tab opening/closing/switching. Loading tab groups feels significantly faster as well.

WebCore is now installed as a framework in /System somewhere.

Auto-Tabs are very nice. New rectangle icon so that you can determine what's an auto-tab and what isn't.

Bookmark sync'ing (with iSync) looks nice.

Little warning triangles show up in tabs that don't load correctly, and when you switch to them the error dialog pops up. Much nicer than loading a 10 tab group and having dialogs everywhere (like in previous versions).

It also plays mpegs (with QuickTime) in the browser itself.

MindFad · Jun 9, 2003, 04:42 AM

Hmm ... and where would one snag v80?

Sharky K. · Jun 9, 2003, 04:57 AM

Safari 80 is really fast.

JLL · Jun 9, 2003, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by MindFad:
Hmm ... and where would one snag v80?

Google perhaps?

Sarc · 05:36 AM

I installed v80, and it broke down Safari.
When I launch it, it crashes instantly, plus it broke down v74, v71 and all the other builds.
OmniWeb (also uses WebCore) wasn't affected.
Anyone else ?

Update: The culprit was PithHelmet (a content filter for banners, popups, etc).
The other Safari builds are still broken though.

Also seems to me that the antialias is different too ... anyone else notice this ?

Update2: The anti-alias thing was caused because they changed the Appearance.
"Standard Font" was changed from Lucida Grande 14, to Times 16, and "Fixed-With Font" was changed from Courier 14 to Courier 13.
I much prefer it the old way.

Also the scrolling feels much better in this build.

JLL · Jun 9, 2003, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by Sarc:
I installed v80, and it broke down Safari.
When I launch it, it crashes instantly, plus it broke down v74, v71 and all the other builds.
Anyone else ?

I don't think older version can handle that WebKit is in /System/Library/Frameworks.

redboy · Jun 9, 2003, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by natan:
It's even faster, in rendering and in tab opening/closing/switching. Loading tab groups feels significantly faster as well.

WebCore is now installed as a framework in /System somewhere.

Auto-Tabs are very nice. New rectangle icon so that you can determine what's an auto-tab and what isn't.

Bookmark sync'ing (with iSync) looks nice.

Little warning triangles show up in tabs that don't load correctly, and when you switch to them the error dialog pops up. Much nicer than loading a 10 tab group and having dialogs everywhere (like in previous versions).

It also plays mpegs (with QuickTime) in the browser itself.

Where is the Auto-tabs feature located?

jessejlt · Jun 9, 2003, 06:30 AM

Wow, lots of fixes with this build, most notibly the speed, and the scroll bug is fixed...thank god. Also, it appears that Java works much smoother now, and no more spinning beach balls when you open up a bunch of different tabs.
I'm impressed, and excited for build 1.0
Not too shabby for a 1.0 build!
jesse ;-)

JLL · Jun 9, 2003, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by redboy:
Where is the Auto-tabs feature located?

In the Bookmarks manager.

TC · Jun 9, 2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by MindFad:
Hmm ... and where would one snag v80?

http://www.4osx.com/

Glad to see they cleaned up their act.

fourstarcltv · Jun 9, 2003, 08:05 AM

any confirmation that this is a real build? i'm just a little weary after the fake v78 build that was floating around.

Moose · Jun 9, 2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by fourstarcltv:
any confirmation that this is a real build? i'm just a little weary after the fake v78 build that was floating around.

If this isn't The Real Thing, it is certainly a much better fake than "v78":

1) It installs WebKit in /System/Library/Frameworks/.

2) It updates Foundation.

Haven't installed it yet, and don't really plan to until I can get it from Apple.

schuey100 · Jun 9, 2003, 08:46 AM

It's definately real and also very very fast.

kovacs · Jun 9, 2003, 08:56 AM

Got it, looks good and feels faster, pretty stable so far...

CheesePuff · Jun 9, 2003, 09:44 AM

I'm pretty sure (and at least hope that) v80 or higher will be released next week at WWDC. If not, then I might just have to download a copy, as much as I don't want to.

wataru · Jun 9, 2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by fourstarcltv:
i'm just a little weary after the fake v78 build that was floating around.

Yeah, fake builds make me tired too.

-Q- · Jun 9, 2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by wataru:
Yeah, fake builds make me tired too.

Heh.

Has anyone noticed that the installer app has gotten "smarter?" It now allows you to choose the folder you want to install the application into...

JLL · Jun 9, 2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by -Q-:
Has anyone noticed that the installer app has gotten "smarter?" It now allows you to choose the folder you want to install the application into...

But it was confusing that it said that it would install on Macintosh HD (if that's you HD name) instead of /Applications where it installed the app.

And since the Installer app isn't updated, it must be a feature not many use.

-Q- · Jun 9, 2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by JLL:
But it was confusing that it said that it would install on Macintosh HD (if that's you HD name) instead of /Applications where it installed the app.

And since the Installer app isn't updated, it must be a feature not many use.

Interesting. I hadn't noticed the inconsistency in the installer app, but you're correct: that could be quite confusing. I wonder if it's that confusion that's causing the lack of adoption of that feature. If they can clean that up, definitely welcome tho'.

And 80 seems to handle ESPN.com much better than in the past. So far so good.

Krypton · Jun 9, 2003, 11:40 AM

v 80 is very very fast now - and going back a page seems instant now even on my relatively old hardware. This is going to be very cool when it goes final

iOliverC · Jun 9, 2003, 11:42 AM

If you are a developer, just do not install Safari v.80. I just tried to build my app, using the OmniFrameworks and importing Foundation/NSURLError.h and I get a file not found. I can only guess this is Safari since I just that second installed it.

tikki · Jun 9, 2003, 11:43 AM

ugh. Their download site is down for maintenance

ambush · Jun 9, 2003, 12:26 PM

lol! Some random Russian mac site is distributing it!

iOliverC · 09:16 PM

edited file link...

ambush · 09:16 PM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
deleted...

Yep that's it

But I wasn't courageous enough to do what you just did.

ambush was "in befo da lok"!

Jan Van Boghout · Jun 9, 2003, 12:36 PM

I don't see what everyone finds so spectacularly faster about it

But is's cool

Grrr · Jun 9, 2003, 01:15 PM

I got it. Doesnt seem noticeably faster to me?
But I did notice a new option in the bookmark prefs to synchronize bookmarks with .mac. Not tried it yet, But should be quite handy i'd have thought..
Another thing I noticed.. It took an age to install, and required a restart. That is not normal practice for safari installs is it?
Oh well, So far so good

zachs · 01:46 PM

Ooooh! Much faster!

Plus..I've already started playing around with the WebKit framework. Hopefully we'll see a lot more 3rd party browsers.

Bring on the browsers.

Dale Sorel · Jun 9, 2003, 01:37 PM

It seems...snappier�

tikki · Jun 9, 2003, 01:54 PM

It broke Pithhelmet.

zachs · Jun 9, 2003, 01:57 PM

Kinda off-topic...but while we're talking about future software,

There will be a Mac OS X 10.2.7, as shown in the WebKit framwork:

Availability:
Mac OS X: in version 10.2.7 and later

tikki · Jun 9, 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by zachs:
Kinda off-topic...but while we're talking about future software,

There will be a Mac OS X 10.2.7, as shown in the WebKit framwork:

Thank god. 10.2.6 blows.

-Q- · Jun 9, 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Grrr:
It took an age to install, and required a restart. That is not normal practice for safari installs is it?

Nope. Probably related to the changing of the WebKit and making it available to all apps system wide as opposed to being inside the Safari application.

chezpaul · Jun 9, 2003, 02:08 PM

I've been syncing my bookmarks for the past week between my two macs, ever since the new iSync update... This is not new.
But U guys are funny... "It's soooooo much faster"... haha... Sometimes I wonder how fast we can go ? Is there a limit ?

Do U guys use ebay ? I hate it how v74 will always crash when you sell an item and need to upload a picture through the broswer... Bammm crash... I want that fixed..

JLL · Jun 9, 2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by chezpaul:
I've been syncing my bookmarks for the past week between my two macs, ever since the new iSync update... This is not new.
But U guys are funny... "It's soooooo much faster"... haha... Sometimes I wonder how fast we can go ? Is there a limit ?

I don't know if it's faster at rendering, but loading multiple tabs at once is definitely faster - no more beach balls!

Now we need session cookies, certificate management and so on.

phrenzy · Jun 9, 2003, 02:55 PM

Hallelujah !!!

Spell checking now STICKS! How in the hell else would I know how to spell Hallelujah ?

Oddly, it doesn't work in the SUBJECT windows , only the message text.. weird... Still cool..

Thanks Apple!

iOliverC · Jun 9, 2003, 02:56 PM

ZachS, any chance you could post the source code to that? It'd be interesting to see how you did it. Useful too since I need to create a mini-browser for my app.

ambush · Jun 9, 2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
ZachS, any chance you could post the source code to that? It'd be interesting to see how you did it. Useful too since I need to create a mini-browser for my app.

Oliver, you're really trying too hard.... He was probably referring to the headers of WebKit.

Just try to master Cocoa before playing with WebKit

iOliverC · Jun 9, 2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
Oliver, you're really trying too hard.... He was probably referring to the headers of WebKit.

Just try to master Cocoa before playing with WebKit

Well, to master Cocoa, don't you need to play with things?

Anyway, I just thought it'd be interesting to see the code, I know you can easily create a browser (GhettoWeb) but didn't know about WebKit. Thanks for the advice tho.

Ratm · 05:30 PM

xi_hyperon · Jun 9, 2003, 03:32 PM

Has anyone experienced problems? Tikki, you said it broke PithHelmet... I've got that installed using Safari v74. Did it jack up anything else?

ambush · Jun 9, 2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
Well, to master Cocoa, don't you need to play with things?

Anyway, I just thought it'd be interesting to see the code, I know you can easily create a browser (GhettoWeb) but didn't know about WebKit. Thanks for the advice tho.

Sure GhettoWeb does it, but it uses ONE line of HTML rendering. Don't expect WebKit to be like that (although I haven't checked yet).

anyway

tikki · Jun 9, 2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
Well, to master Cocoa, don't you need to play with things?

Anyway, I just thought it'd be interesting to see the code, I know you can easily create a browser (GhettoWeb) but didn't know about WebKit. Thanks for the advice tho.

Let me mess with it this evening, and I will try to post something for you to look at.

iOliverC · Jun 9, 2003, 04:29 PM

Thanks Tikki and Ambush...btw Ambush, I love Burnout Menu ;-)

wtmcgee · 05:17 PM

apparently this breaks older versions of safari - so if you're going to use this, be sure you REALLY want to use it.

Toyin · Jun 9, 2003, 05:10 PM

How do you uninstall this in case I decide to install it in the 1st place.

Also does this break Omniweb PB? I've been trying to use OW as my default browser for the week.

trusted_content · Jun 9, 2003, 05:14 PM

I like it. It's got a real Snap� in its step.

Also the change of font took about 5 seconds to get used to... now I like that too.

And it doesn't beachball when opening three million tabs like it used to.

BOH.

Guy Incognito 2 · Jun 9, 2003, 05:28 PM

Is it just me or has Safari v80 enabled Fugly Text Extreme?

Guy Incognito 2 · Jun 9, 2003, 05:38 PM

Nope...this can't be a GM, it's the buggiest Safari so far.

Can't even change the default font. Hangs the app.

Flash seems slower.

Probably more nastiness in this app that I'm not aware of. It is fast at rendering though.

wtmcgee · Jun 9, 2003, 05:43 PM

you can't according to people over @ macrumors and a few other sites.

Originally posted by Toyin:
How do you uninstall this in case I decide to install it in the 1st place.

Also does this break Omniweb PB? I've been trying to use OW as my default browser for the week.