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ferg · Aug 21, 2005, 08:00 AM

Anyone have any idea when the Mac Ventrilo client will be available? Or any other app that will work with the Ventrilo server? Desperately need for MC runs. Thanks.

Arkham_c · Aug 21, 2005, 08:48 AM

I have heard Teamspeak is working on a Mac release again, but no news on Ventrillo.

dajk · Aug 21, 2005, 09:02 AM

I'm almost getting the urge to learn how to program just to write some sort of VoIP app for mac and windows ><

ferg · Aug 21, 2005, 10:31 AM

Yeah, but that still wont help us, if a guild is doing a run and want us to come, they are not all goin to download a new app just so the one Mac user out of 40 can hear the commands. If you can port Vent or create a client that works with the Vent sever, now that I would pay for.

Any idea how Vent works when run on VirtualPC, if I had that installed on my laptop and used that to communicate while I played on my desktop?

Thx

dajk · Aug 21, 2005, 12:27 PM

I know, I know

As long you don't run it on the same computer the wow client runs, it should work fine I guess

wuzup101 · Aug 21, 2005, 05:33 PM

Don't both Vent and TS have linux clients ( I seem to remember atleast one of the two having a one). Anyway, wouldn't someone be able to run this on thier mac under OSX? I personally haven't checked it out yet, I just run TS on my PC and play WoW on my powerbook...

dajk · Aug 21, 2005, 10:04 PM

Those are both x86 binaries, they won't work on the PPC architecture. Although they'll probably work on the Mactels.

Flip500 · Aug 21, 2005, 11:23 PM

About Virtual PC... is that really worth the $249. It basically runs windows on your mac right? And could I play bigger app.s/games like Half-Life, Counter Strike, ect.?

11011001 · Aug 22, 2005, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by dajk

Those are both x86 binaries, they won't work on the PPC architecture. Although they'll probably work on the Mactels.

No they won't.

There are many problems:
- the libraries they might reference aren't going to link correctly
- system calls might be screwed up
- the way the code is loaded into memory varies from OS to OS

That's why there are always different binaries for Redhat, Madrake, SuSe.. even though they all run on X86.

But I can't understand why they can't just port the linux version to OS X. Hell, even if it's running under X11 it's better than nothing. It might not be trivial, but, it's not much more than a matter of getting the right libraries compiled for OS X, and working on issues of endianess.

11011001 · Aug 22, 2005, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Flip500

About Virtual PC... is that really worth the $249. It basically runs windows on your mac right? And could I play bigger app.s/games like Half-Life, Counter Strike, ect.?

VPC will probably suck up a lot of processor, and lag your game. Besides, at that price you could pick up a used, inexpensive PC that could run teamspeak.. or whatever.

Flip500 · Aug 22, 2005, 11:08 AM

Oh... that is really disapointing.... but on my next computer hopefully I can dual boot with Mac OS and Windows OS (for games).

greenamp · Aug 22, 2005, 07:11 PM

VPC is basically outta the question b/c of it's resource needs.

You're best bet is to drop 40 or 50 bucks on a dino-pc and instal Vent/TS there. I managed to put together a 900mhz AMD Duron system from parts I had collected over the years.

baw · Aug 22, 2005, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Flip500

but on my next computer hopefully I can dual boot with Mac OS and Windows OS (for games).

And that is a perfect example as to why the Mac game market is going to die.

Flip500 · Aug 22, 2005, 09:52 PM

yeah, but on the other hand it will also be easier to port games from windows to mac so there really is two opitions. But I'd put money on the only truely "mac" games in a few years are going to be the blizzard one's that are programed for both systems....

wuzup101 · Aug 22, 2005, 11:15 PM

Ah yeah i completely forgot it was for x86 linux... oh well

On another note I was thinking the same thing as Flip500. Won't it be much easier to port games over (or develop Mac and PC copies at the same time) when the intel based macs come out? I know very little about the porting process, so I don't know if this is true, just something I was thinking about also.

11011001 · Aug 23, 2005, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by wuzup101

Ah yeah i completely forgot it was for x86 linux... oh well

On another note I was thinking the same thing as Flip500. Won't it be much easier to port games over (or develop Mac and PC copies at the same time) when the intel based macs come out? I know very little about the porting process, so I don't know if this is true, just something I was thinking about also.

If endianess is an issue (in porting to PPC) it might be easier. Still, compiling for PPC or x86 is trivial, and is handeled completely by the compiler (the programmer has only to click a little button, or add an extra option to the compiler).

However, the main challenge is not the processor that the program is executing on, it's the APIs, and Libraries on the host system. In the case of something made for Windows, the required APIs might not even exist on OS X (in which case glue code is written to interface with something comparible).

Flip500 · Aug 23, 2005, 12:02 PM

Woah, i never had any idea how simple... and yet so hard it was to port video games.

OwlBoy · Aug 23, 2005, 04:48 PM

VPC is basically outta the question b/c of it's resource needs.

You're best bet is to drop 40 or 50 bucks on a dino-pc and instal Vent/TS there. I managed to put together a 900mhz AMD Duron system from parts I had collected over the years.

Er, it does work, with Vent and TS, and when raiding MC. No Talking tho, just listening… </cough>

But yes, a $50 PC would be a better bet.

Also, things are looking good on the Ventrilo: Mac front…

-Owl

Flip500 · Aug 23, 2005, 08:01 PM

$50?? What kind of PC could you buy with that??

CaptainHaddock · Aug 24, 2005, 12:40 AM

$50 would get you an old Pentium-II laptop.

wuzup101 · Aug 24, 2005, 03:30 AM

You can probably find a free PC that is more than capeable of handeling Vent or TS if you ask around. I know I personally have about 8 sitting in my basement that would handle it without any problems.

Arkham_c · Aug 27, 2005, 10:48 AM

Some of us have been trying this out:

http://www.gizmoproject.com/

It is still in beta but has a lot of promise.

Flip500 · Aug 27, 2005, 11:37 PM

-Wow... but I don't think any people around me would have any "free" or close to free computers just lying around...

-That gizmo thing looks pretty cool... I might have to try it out. Can you talk to many people at once??

cteselle · Aug 28, 2005, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Flip500

Can you talk to many people at once??

from: http://www.gizmoproject.com/conf-calling.html

"Conference calls are free and unrestricted in size."

interesting.

Flip500 · Aug 28, 2005, 07:58 PM

I don't quite get what it says on there... so you can talk to as many people as you want at any given time??

The Placid Casual · Aug 29, 2005, 06:25 AM

The Dogcows used it the other night, with some pretty good results.

The more people that got on, the worse it got, but for the most part it was a usable option... that I guess can only get better!

Flip500 · 10:35 AM

that's good to hear... has any one heard any rumors about when Teamspeak 3 with mac support is going to be released??

PConvert · Aug 30, 2005, 03:29 PM

Give me VENTRILO!

On my mac!

I hate booting up this ugly dell! It does not deserve to sit next to my 17" PB!!! ><

dajk · Aug 31, 2005, 12:03 PM

I want to try Gizmo, but I get this error :/

Failed to register with server, an unknown error occurred.

Flip500 · Aug 31, 2005, 04:59 PM

I'm going to try Gizmo now and me and my friend are going to try to use it tonight while playing Tactical Ops.

ferg · Sep 1, 2005, 03:01 PM

Gizmo looks cool, but it is useless to me as all the guilds on my server use Vent, now if there was a client out there that worked with both Vent and TS, that would be hot.

Drakino · Sep 1, 2005, 03:35 PM

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Ventrilo or TeamSpeak for OS X. Both sides have been promising a release one day, and both have shown little proof that it will happen soon.

I first started looking into both back when I played Shadowbane in 2003. Shadowbane was a Mac/PC PVP based MMO, and we had players in our guild on both platforms. I ran the voice chat server, and tried to get any response out of the devs on when a version would come out.

Teamspeak was given a few Macs from Apple to make it happen, and still nothing. The Ventrilo guy bought a Mac that had hardware problems, and that soured him on the idea for a while.

Here we are two years later, and nothing from either side. I'm guessing WoW will fall our of favor and we will all have Intel chips on our Macs before we see a native OS X Ventrilo or Teamspeak client at this rate.

Yes, I know both are free products for the end user, but it still sucks to hear empty promises.

And to the Ventrilo developers, you lost my support when you told people like me who had our own servers and ran them for free for our guild to basically go screw ourselves. For those that don't know, 2.2.0 of Ventrilo server limited you to 8 users on. The only way around this was to pay a hosting service somewhere for access to a Ventrilo server. The company was not interesting in allowing legitimate users like myself to even pay for the software to keep it on our own server.

Flip500 · Sep 1, 2005, 10:31 PM

well I dont' know about Ventrillo but Teamspeak says it will DEFFINATLY have mac support when Teamspeak 3 comes out, but your right I wouldn't hold my breath for Teamspeak 3 because it looks like Teamspeak 2 is still going pretty strong.

SlideWRX · Sep 7, 2005, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Placid Casual

The Dogcows used it the other night, with some pretty good results.

The more people that got on, the worse it got, but for the most part it was a usable option... that I guess can only get better!

How many people did you get on? would it be usable for a 40 person raid, especially if most muted it?

Tom

ferg · Sep 10, 2005, 08:53 AM

OK, I have VPC on my laptop, and ventrilo installed. I am runnin the server on my G5. My guildies can connect(although only 8max), they can hear me when I put to talk and say stuff, but when they talk I cannot hear them. is anyone familliar with the set up who can point me to the right button to get the audio to come through. I am hearing all the other vent sfx and system sounds with no prob.

any ideas?

AKcrab · Sep 21, 2005, 08:15 PM

Hi Ca$h.

brian11smith · May 2, 2006, 01:57 PM

Greetings,
I have a MacBook Pro .... just got latest version of Ventrilo. Trying to use with WoW. My guild server uses speex (lucky me). Ventrilo works as long as the Ventrilo window is active (i.e., selected). If I play in full screen mode (so that ventrilo window is underneath) it doesn't work. Any Suggestions?

Thanks,
Sigmus

ferg · May 2, 2006, 02:23 PM

You must have the "Enable Access For Assistive Devices" checked in the Universal Access in the System Preferences. I don't know why, but it works. You must also restart Vent before it takes effect.

brian11smith · May 2, 2006, 02:38 PM

I had done the enable access thing .. but I hadn't restarted .... THANKS! Just spent 2 hours searching forums and it was just the old restart protocol ....

I forgot the golden rule of technical problems...

Check for power ... restart ...

Cheers,
Sigmus